Klaymen

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    Klaymen reacted to zil in How Wide the Divide? A dialogue with theplains   
    Blasphemy!

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    Klaymen reacted to NeuroTypical in How Wide the Divide? A dialogue with theplains   
    Well, IMO, our church demands a response.  We show up late on the scene, with our stories of apostasy, and tell everyone else they're doing it wrong, and we're the True Christians.  The rest of Christianity can either ignore us or respond.  When you wake up one morning and find your aunt, or father, or 10% of your congregation, have taken the missionary discussions and got baptized, you absolutely must respond.  So you start from a mindset of how to convince traditional Christians that no really, everything is fine, and all this mormon stuff is just out in left field.  Or wrong, or deluded, or evil.  I get it.  Not everybody is a scholar, but everyone seems to have a friend or family member investigating the CoJCoLDS, so you have to do something.
    Humans, when they see some vague thing off in the distance, separated by a gulf of ignorance, tend to fill in that gulf with what they figure is the most likely answer.  And also since we're humans, we tend to fill in that gap with stuff more nefarious, dark, or horrid than is actually the case.  
    So yeah, Vort is speaking the truth.  For every one LDS off spewing outdated cultural belief that Catholicism is the great and abominable church, you can find twenty, a hundred, a thousand traditional Christians worried about their children being suckered into a cult that worships the wrong Jesus.  But it makes sense why they're doing it, so we can respond out of empathy, patience, and love.   Good responses involve revealing the truth, letting our light so shine, speaking from our own experiences.  It doesn't have to be a contentious debate, there are ways to contend for the faith gently but firmly.   (Maybe one out of every five discussions I have, I actually manage to not be an abrasive jerk.)
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    Klaymen reacted to Just_A_Guy in KJV vs JST   
    We aren’t actually that far apart, conceptually.  Within Mormonism there’s an ongoing tension between the text of scripture, the teachings of people we regard as latter-day prophets, and what we take to be the voice of God speaking to us individually.  A lot of ink had been spilled in LDS circles about trying to harmonize those three sources of divine instruction, determine whether any one source trumps any other, and figuring out how to reconcile apparent conflicts and develop a sort of theological “best-fit line”.
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    Klaymen reacted to Just_A_Guy in KJV vs JST   
    A more interesting question might be, “Why should I trust John 4?”.
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    Klaymen got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in KJV vs JST   
    I'm on a discussion forum of actuaries who are more atheist than not, it's quite something.  They can be downright vicious.
    While God does speak to his followers, I think there is a line between what God is actually saying and what I am feeling or thinking or believing or wanting to believe.  It is not easy to divide between soul and spirit (Hebrews 4:12).  We very much can get in the way of God, myself included for sure.  
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    Klaymen got a reaction from Vort in KJV vs JST   
    The concept is not difficult.  I studied french for 7 years, spanish for 2, german for 1.  I regularly listen to youtube sermons in french.  \
    I understood what you said and went on to point out that it looks like there were sufficient greek words to capture the essence of the difference in the two versions of John 4.
     
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    Klaymen got a reaction from anatess2 in Hello from Klaymen   
    Hi there.
    My alter-ego is Klaymen.  I am non-LDS and would consider myself a Christian.  If you wanted me to describe that further, I would say "Charistmatic". 
    I work as an actuary and my interests are puzzles and competitive duplicate bridge.
    I'm in my late 40's, have been married since 1996, and have two young adult kids.
    I look forward to talking with you all.
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    Klaymen got a reaction from Jane_Doe in Hello from Klaymen   
    Hi there.
    My alter-ego is Klaymen.  I am non-LDS and would consider myself a Christian.  If you wanted me to describe that further, I would say "Charistmatic". 
    I work as an actuary and my interests are puzzles and competitive duplicate bridge.
    I'm in my late 40's, have been married since 1996, and have two young adult kids.
    I look forward to talking with you all.
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    Klaymen reacted to clbent04 in My Theory on Who Is the Holy Ghost   
    Why is it embarrassing to speculate who the third member of the Godhead is? I don't find it embarrassing for the Church as I already mentioned this is purely unfounded speculation
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    Klaymen got a reaction from zil in My Theory on Who Is the Holy Ghost   
    Ah, it looks like you are correct.