AbramM
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Just now, Jane_Doe said:
If that's you stance and functioning definition of the Trinity, that's totally fine. Under that functioning definition, LDS Christians are Trinitarians.
Under a more in-depth definition (such as theological scholars do) there is a difference between the two views.
I believe the 3 persons are 1 being.
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3 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said:
Until you talk about HOW they are 1, you have not actually shown the Biblicalness of the Trinity.
It's not necessary for me to show how they are 1. Only to show that it is a biblical teaching that they are one.
I can't tell you how God made the world in 6 days, but I know it is biblical.
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2 hours ago, anatess2 said:
Maureen, it would have been better if we heard from Abram how he explained to us his foundational faith in the oneness of God. The objective here is not to teach us the Trinity. The objective here is to bridge the gap between Abram and his girlfriend's faith practice which is the reason for the OP.
Everything @Maureen said is what I believe. I know a few other passages such as the prologue of John that shows the trinity is biblical
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1 minute ago, unixknight said:
Ok so that's t he core of what I'm getting at. If we're talking about one divine being, then that would mean Jesus was talking to Himself. I understand you are drawing a distinction between them as separate persons, but if God is one Being then He's still talking to Himself. The idea of separate persons doesn't alter that.
No the Son was talking to the Father. However, the Son is still the being of God and the Father is the being of God, but Jesus is in no way praying to himself, and God the father is in no way listenting to himself
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43 minutes ago, person0 said:
The 'in my experience' part is related to the phrase that follows it, not the one that precedes it.
oh sorry I assume your previous statement was based on fact then. Not your experience.
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35 minutes ago, unixknight said:
So you agree that Jesus was praying to Heavenly Father, a separate divine being?
A separate person of the same divine being. The person of Jesus (God the son) was praying to the person of God the father. However, they are both the being of God.
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5 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said:
*Thumbs up for getting assignments done, and for studying faith*
Remember: the question here is HOW are the three persons of Father, Son, and Spirit one. Everyone already agrees that they are already 3 persons, and 1 God. So the question is "how".
I'm not sure I can demonstrate specifically how, but I can show that the Holy Trinity is biblical.
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14 minutes ago, unixknight said:
That, my friend, is where we disagree.
You were claiming that I believe Jesus was praying to himself. I've explained to you i don't believe that.
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41 minutes ago, unixknight said:
Anyway, the questions I asked earlier about Gethsemane, the Cross and Jesus' Baptism were all meant to illustrate the contradiction I see between the concept of the trinity/modalism and the events as described in Scripture.
There is no contradiction.
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11 hours ago, person0 said:
Most of the self-acclaimed Christian population lack the profundity of gospel knowledge required to sustain their belief system amidst serious scrutiny;
That's a big statement to make based on something as biased as
11 hours ago, person0 said:in my experience
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12 hours ago, anatess2 said:
Ok.
So HOW is God one? Bible verses would be awesome.
Okay I will post some this afternoon. I have to go to finish an assignment this morning that is overdue 😂
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4 minutes ago, Alia said:
When I said my brother is a minister of a small congregation I meant sub 100 people
I don't know if I will ever be a minister but if I was the size of the congregation wouldn't matter to me. Whether you preach to 100 people or 400 people or 10,000 people I don't think it makes a difference.
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7 minutes ago, prisonchaplain said:
In the Pacific Northwest we call a 400-person congregation a megachurch. Just sayin' . . .
haha there's a Southern Baptist church my cousin goes to in Texas that has 60,000 members and has 10,000 people at their services on Sundays.
There are a few churches around me that are 1,000 people attending on Sunday. So 400 seems relatively small. The church I grew up going to was about 400 people too.
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10 minutes ago, prisonchaplain said:
I know that this was easy counsel for us to give, and that for you this is real life, and beyond difficult. You carry a heavy cross right now. Just know, your reward will be great. God really is good--all the time.
For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul? Matthew 16 verse 26
I always want to put God first but I feel sad and heartbroken. If God is testing my faith then I want to pass
- Maureen and prisonchaplain
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20 minutes ago, unixknight said:
Okay, but how is that not describing the disparate wills of two different beings?
29 minutes ago, AbramM said:20 minutes ago, unixknight said:While I agree with what you said here, that also sounds like a discussion of separate beings.
29 minutes ago, AbramM said:20 minutes ago, unixknight said:And again, sounds like a description of three separate Beings.
29 minutes ago, AbramM said:The thing is with the examples you gave God the son is on earth and whilst Jesus was on earth he emptied himself of some divine rights. Also, he had the mind of a human as well as God. So when it seems like 2 different beings to you, that is because God the father is interacting with the man of God the son not the divine nature of God the Son. In other words, the human mind and will of God the son sometimes interact with God the father and it seems like they are 2 different beings, but that is not so.
Below isn't my writings it's an article I read a couple of years ago, but it explains a little bit what I mean.
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Jesus also has a human mind. We have only experienced one mind, and simply cannot fathom what it would be like for one person to have both a human mind and a divine mind. Two key texts press us toward this mind-boggling truth:
Jesus increased in wisdom and in stature and in favor with God and man. (Luke 2:52)
“Concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Mark 13:32)
The second verse, of course, is striking for those of us with a high view of Christ. And it is, of course, from the mouth of Christ himself. For Christians who affirm his deity, Mark 13:32 seems like trouble. But what looks difficult at first glance proves, with some thorough reflection, to be a glorious confirmation of Jesus’s full humanity. Perhaps put most provocatively, the question goes like this: If Jesus is truly God, and God knows everything, how can Jesus not know when his own second coming will be?
The mature and carefully formulated answer of church history is this: In addition to being fully divine, Jesus is fully human. His one person has both an infinite, divine mind and a finite, human mind. He can be said not to know things, as in Mark 13:32, because he is genuinely human and finite — and human minds are not omniscient. And Jesus can be said to know all things, as in John 21:17, because he is divine and infinite in his knowledge.
Paradoxical as it is, the Scriptures plainly affirm that Jesus both knows all things as God and doesn’t know all things as man. For the unique, two-natured, singular person of Christ, this is no contradiction, but a peculiar glory of the God-man.
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1 hour ago, Jane_Doe said:
It is good to talk to people, and seek wise elder's advice.
However, it notable that not all clergy of group X are experts on group Y. In fact, I find a lot of the time a clergy person of group X will have really poor quality about group Y. Which isn't to say that that person is a bad pastor (not at all! Some of them are FANTASTIC pastors), just that they don't always have good information on another's perspective.
He gives good advice and he is very kind. We just have a small congregation of 400ish people so he knows everyone really well.
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2 hours ago, Jane_Doe said:
I totally acknowledge your Baptist faith and am NO way threatening that.
Please I don't have a Baptist faith I'm a Christian who attends a baptist church. My faith is in Christ and not in the baptist church.
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1 hour ago, JohnsonJones said:
They view them as three distinctly different persons. They are different people. Thus, he was addressing his Father who is as separate a person as you and I.
Exactly. The father is not the son, the son is not the father etc. You have a good understanding of the trinity.
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2 hours ago, unixknight said:
In the Garden of Gethsemane, when Jesus said "Not my will, but thine be done" who was He addressing?
He was addressing God the father. Jesus is God the Son and he became God the father's servant.
“He made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and came in the likeness of men,” Philippians 2:7.
The son is telling the father that the father's will is to be done as the son is the servant.
2 hours ago, unixknight said: Who did Jesus say forsook Him as he was dying on the cross, when He said "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
The father and the holy spirit forsook the son.
The judgment was to have God the Father pour out his wrath, and instead of pouring it out on us, he pours it out on him. That necessarily involves a kind of abandonment. That is what wrath means. He gave him up to suffer the weight of all the sins of all of his people and the judgment for those sins.
Also, it could be argued (I don't really believe this but some people do) that Christ was quoting Psalm 22. Rather than praying.
2 hours ago, unixknight said: When Jesus was baptized, who was it that said "Behold my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased?"
God the father said that. Jesus is God the son he is not God the father or the holy spirit. Of course it makes sense for the father to say that.
---Taken from Eliot's pulpit commentary.
At Christ's baptism there was a manifestation of the three Persons in the sacred Trinity. The Father confirming the Son to be Mediator; the Son solemnly entering upon the work; the Holy Spirit descending on him, to be through his mediation communicated to his people.
I know it can be confusing to understand but there are lots of scriptures I could show you that prove the trinity.
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28 minutes ago, unixknight said:
I'm looking forward to the answers to my questions, then.
I can reply later but at the moment I have to meet my pastor right now. When I'm done then I will reply
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2 minutes ago, Manners Matter said:
They are one in *purpose* but as @unixknight indicates, they are separate individuals.
Well ma'am I respectfully disagree.
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54 minutes ago, unixknight said:
I predict he will reply with John 10:30.
The father and son are one. Correct.
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1 hour ago, anatess2 said:
Okay. I actually understand what you mean about the Trinity - I was raised Catholic. So, what exactly is it about the one-ness of the Trinity that your firm understanding is based on? Is it simply that God is One? Or is it that it has to be HOW God is One?
Yes it has to be how God is one.
Please can I ask your advice on finding a church to attend with my girlfriend.
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please stop saying that I agree with the LDS teaching because I don't. I believe in the Trinity I believe God is 3 persons in 1 being.