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  2. Please can I ask your advice on finding a church to attend with my girlfriend.

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    2 hours ago, anatess2 said:

    So, it’s a foundation of your faith but the concept is so nebulous that the words you use to describe that foundation gets all mixed up.

    Yeah sorry I was tired I meant that God is 3 persons, father, son and holy spirit but they are 1 being that being is God. You believe The 3 persons are 3 beings.

     

    2 hours ago, anatess2 said:

    the Trinity which is not biblical

    I believe the Trinity to be biblical 

    2 hours ago, anatess2 said:

    Therefore, I conclude, the difference between your Trinitarian belief and the LDS Monotheistic Godhead is irrelevant to your faith

    It is very relevant to my faith. My understanding and beliefs about God are centred on the trinity. Without the trinity I have no firm understanding of God. 

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    9 hours ago, prisonchaplain said:

    You've said this type of thing in several posts now. My outsider perspective is that your relationship is not built on trust. She likes you and wants you, but she is not being open with you. This has gone on for months. If you don't want to just give up, perhaps the time for a frank conversation has come. Are you really open to joining in a traditional Christian church? Do you really believe you share like precious faith with me? Will you really consider me as the authoritative priest of our household? Are you or are you not a dedicated LDS believer? Let her know that if communication cannot be open and trusting then the relationship appears to be built on a foundation of sand.

     

    9 hours ago, Jane_Doe said:

    Hence my offer to talk to the both of you, to help facilitate communication.  

    Myself and many others have also recommend counseling for that purpose.

    I haven't spoken to her for a couple of days now but I'm going to see her this evening so we can talk. I'm going to ask her to come with me to church on Sunday (I will choose one or she can) and see if she wants to.

    She already knows what I believe really well because she came to my bible study for a few months. I will find out if she wants to commit to those beliefs and be with me or not. Our relationship depends on what the Lord puts on her heart more than our communication though. 

    Even if she says yes to being a protestant it has to be a true conversion not just to marry me. So I'm not going to marry her anytime soon as I need to see in her a change so if she doesn't trust me then she has time to build that before marrying me. 

    If she wants to stay LDS then I will tell her we can't get married. 

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    14 minutes ago, JohnsonJones said:

    Unless I misunderstand Baptist ideas, it would normally would be taught that there are 3 persons but of one being.  The Faith and Message implies it is three personages but of one being.

    Yeah God in 3 persons but one being.

     

    14 minutes ago, JohnsonJones said:

    PS: I believe this was just a wording mistake on your part as I think you have listed it the other way around in prior posts in this thread.

    Yes I was tired. I haven't slept in 3 days. 

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    6 hours ago, anatess2 said:

    Wait what?  You said, God is a being.  We believe the same thing.  So those 3 can’t be different beings.  They’re 3 separate persons, One God

    You believe those 3 separate beings are 3 separate persons. I believe those 3 separate beings are 1 person. That 1 person is God. The 3 beings are father, son and holy spirit. 

     

    6 hours ago, anatess2 said:

    Yes.  But how does that affect your “foundational faith”?

    Yes it does. What I believe about the father, son and spirit is the foundation of my faith. 

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    2 hours ago, Jane_Doe said:

    Honestly, I don't really see that at all, but we really don't know.  The only person that knows is her. Abram and her really need to have some good communication here.  

    I've tried with her but she keeps telling me she will attend a protestant church with me. Then she doesn't show up on Sunday. She won't level with me about what she believes, maybe she is scared I will leave her but I'm not going to promise her I won't leave her yo get her to open up

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    3 hours ago, prisonchaplain said:

    You do not realize the blessing your are walking in, my brother. There are far more female high-teen-to-20-somethings looking for a godly man than vice versa. My oldest (18) just get accepted to the Grand Canyon University, in AZ. It looks like there is a 2:1 female/male ratio. In the honors college it's more like 3:1. Involve yourself in the work of the Lord, in missions, in faithful church service. The LORD will provide, and His timing will be perfect.

    Yes but lots of girls I dated before seemed Godly and then after a while I realised they're not. I dated a girl who goes to my church for a few weeks and then she wanted to fornicate with me.  Another girl I met at a Southern Baptist Convention got me a fake ID so I could take her to a bar. I don't drink and it's dishonest to use a fake ID. 

    It makes me want to stop dating.  

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    2 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said:

    There's a variety of possible reasons.  Fear of rejection (either by you or by church members) is pretty likely.

    Either way she wasn't honest with me and I think she knows that. 

     

    7 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said:

    m a God is still living and still speaking like always gal.  :)   To me, the idea that God would change and stop speaking is... suffice it to say not what I believe.

    Do you think I believe God is dead?

    God speaks to me all the time 😀

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    23 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said:

     

    5) She could have been trying to share (such as inviting you to church) and either not being heard and/or not knowing how to go about it better.

    And there's other possibilities too.  Only communicating with her will illuminate things.

    She didn't even invite me to church I offered to go with her to try it and at the time she wasn't too keen on me going with her. I honestly don't think she had any intention if telling me she was LDS. 

    The thing is she doesn't even really have friends as her church everyone there is kind of old, so I just don't get if she isn't serious about LDS beliefs then why doesn't she come with me to try new churches for us.

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    31 minutes ago, unixknight said:

    Yeah that's true.  It just seemed like a very glaring omission to  have left out who Joseph Smith is.  And who knows, maybe the missionaries visiting would do her a world of good too.

    I just found out what the Book of Mormon is yesterday. I knew it was a musical and then when I saw some at church with her I thought they were devotional books. Like you get at Methodist church with select prayers the whole congregation read. 

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    17 minutes ago, unixknight said:

    I can understand that.  If she was being deceptive, then I'd venture to say you guys have other issues to work out first.

    33 minutes ago, AbramM said:

    It's a mess :( I barely slept for 3 days

    19 minutes ago, unixknight said:

    I know, I'm just saying it would be worth your time to do this, even if only for your personal edification.  After all, this is part of who she has always been.  Isn't it worthwhile to help understand her better?

    Maybe it depends if we work through our differences 

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    1 minute ago, Alia said:

    My fave is when they give commentary after the verse. The other day my mom and I were talking about prayer and she goes, "The prayers of a righteous man availeth much. And I love the word much". Or when someone annoys her and her idea of an insult is to passively aggressively say "I'm going to pray for you". 

    Lol I love it when my mom is complaining about something someone has done and my dad reminds her that the bible says we should forgive and my mom replies "the bible doesn't say when to forgive". 

    There's something about being a Baptist and being a mom, that sends them a bit crazy. 

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    33 minutes ago, unixknight said:

    I respect your desire to not offend, but at the same time I feel like you guys would really benefit a lot from some more openness in your communication.  And to be fair, I acknowledge that if you got this far with dating that LDS girl without knowing who Joseph Smith was, that says more about her inability to communicate openly than anything else.  I don't know if she feels unsafe telling you these things, out of a fear that you'll dismiss her and her beliefs, or whether she just isn't good at communication.  I dunno, and I won't speculate.  I leave all that to you.

     

    Well I think she was trying to deceive me. You know even if she wasn't i'm hurting because I thought our relationship was stronger than that and we could talk about anything. If her faith and religion is a big part of her life, then she shouldn't have hid so much about it from me. I feel betrayed. 

     

    42 minutes ago, unixknight said:

     As others have suggested, I'd also recommend that you gain a deeper knowledge of that before you make any decisions, and that the best way to do it is to ask the missionaries over.  They're well equipped to answer these kinds of questions and present this information to someone who hasn't heard it before. 

    I don't know brother I already told her in January my conditions for marriage. 

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    I am sorry I can't explain it very well on my own but below is a summary of what I believe regarding the Trinity and it defines being.

     

    The doctrine of the Trinity is simply that there is one eternal being of God – indivisible, infinite. This one being of God is shared by three co-equal, co-eternal persons, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit.

    It is necessary here to distinguish between the terms “being” and “person.” It would be a contradiction, obviously, to say that there are three beings within one being, or three persons within one person. So what is the difference? We clearly recognize the difference between being and person every day. We recognize what something is, yet we also recognize individuals within a classification. For example, we speak of the “being” of man—human being. A rock has “being”—the being of a rock, as does a cat, a dog, etc. Yet, we also know that there are personal attributes as well. That is, we recognize both “what” and “who” when we talk about a person.

    The Bible tells us there are three classifications of personal beings—God, man, and angels. What is personality? The ability to have emotion, will, to express oneself. Rocks cannot speak. Cats cannot think of themselves over against others, and, say, work for the common good of “cat kind.” Hence, we are saying that there is one eternal, infinite being of God, shared fully and completely by three persons, Father, Son and Spirit. Onewhat, three who’s.

    NOTE: We are not saying that the Father is the Son, or the Son the Spirit, or the Spirit the Father. It is very common for people to misunderstand the doctrine as to mean that we are saying Jesus is the Father. The doctrine of the Trinity does not in any way say this!

    The three Biblical doctrines that flow directly into the river that is the Trinity are as follows:

    1) There is one and only one God, eternal, immutable.

    2) There are three eternal Persons described in Scripture – the Father, the Son, and the Spirit. These Persons are never identified with one another – that is, they are carefully differentiated as Persons.

    3) The Father, the Son, and the Spirit, are identified as being fully deity—that is, the Bible teaches the Deity of Christ and the Deity of the Holy Spirit.

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    7 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said:

    But has God placed the conviction that they are 3 person in 1 God through consubstantiation as stated in the Athanasian Creed?  Or in other words: is the foundation of your faith SPECIFICALLY that all 3 persons is One Physical Essence (ousia)?

    Do you have conviction specifically of the underlined parts?

    I'm not much of a scholar and I don't really know what the Athanasian Creed. I never heard the term ousia before. I believe that God is 3 persons but one being. Of those 3 persons I believe only Jesus has a physical being. 

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    36 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

    Okay, just to clarify this... The Holy Trinity - meaning God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost is the foundation of your faith, right?  Or is the foundation of your faith SPECIFICALLY that all 3 persons is One Physical Essence (ousia)?

     

    38 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said:

    I'm just going to go for a specific conviction here: has God convicted you that the Father, Son, and Spirit are 3 different persons in 1 God through consubstantiation as stated in the Athanasian Creed? 

    Yes Ma'am 

    I believe with all my heart that god is 3 persons but 1 being. 

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    22 minutes ago, unixknight said:

    So the title of "protestant" is more important than the substance of a church.  Interesting.

     

    Not the title at all. I believe the church is the body of Christ and he certainly wasn't a protestant 😂

    22 minutes ago, unixknight said:

     It seems to me that if you attended church there, and it wasn't obvious to you that it wasn't protestant, then maybe that label is less important than you  might have supposed.

    I didn't want to say because I didn't want to offend but I found it a bit peculiar