mrmarket
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It looks like Needleina's intentions are abundantly clear.
Needleina feels it neccessary to follow me around on this forum and nitpick, judge and all but call me an anti Mormon.Since you (Needleina) have become the self- appointed content police of this forum I have to tell you this should probably be made formal by appealing to whoever runs this place to make you a moderator or whatever it is you are trying to be. In the meantime you are likely running afoul of the rules by harassing me with posts which are not really a reponse to content, but more of a personal attack. Go report me to a mod if your goal is ultimately to get me thrown off the forum and allow them to make a decision. If that isnt your goal either discuss with me or knock it off.
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40 minutes ago, MarginOfError said:
I'll not also that there's a damned if you do, damned if you don't element to this.
Consider another case where a man confessed to his bishop that he'd had sexual contact with a minor, and the bishop reported this to authorities. The man's wife is now suing the bishop for violating clergy-penitent privilege. I don't think the suit will be successful, but it illustrates the high stakes of making these decisions.
I saw that a few weeks ago. She def wont win that one.
I don't see any way possible to incur civil liability for reporting a crime unless you completely made it up and it has been proven you did. That said, a lawyer can play games with laws and destroy a person. -
Here is a recent case in AZ, but it is child molest. Failure to report. it looks as if LE is pursuing charges aganst at least one if not two Bishops.
https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2019/12/11/mormon-officials-in-bisbee-being-investigated-for-not-reporting-child-sex-abuse/ -
Update from the church news on the subject
https://www.thechurchnews.com/global/2020-03-26/coronavirus-covid-19-impact-missionary-work-global-178402 -
2 minutes ago, dprh said:
I have a nephew who came home. He did not get a test (I don't think there are enough to go around). He and his family are in self-quarantine for two weeks.
Yea my relatives are all locked down for two weeks as well.
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Did anyone here have a family member return from their mission early because of this besides Antaness? Just curious if they were tested for corona before the sent them home. We had five in our family (all from central/south America) who have now made it home-two more still out. None of them received a test so they have no idea if they were exposed or carrying the virus. Was curious if any of the other missionaries anyone knows of were tested.
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2 hours ago, estradling75 said:
Indeed. He implies that the church broke the law... When any understanding of church policy and even @Just_A_Guy clarification of what the law really is makes this very doubtful. But instead of letting the actual facts and actual law apply to inform his opinion his to busy trying to twist the laws and facts to support his opinion. This is a clear demonstration that the truth is not with him
I never asserted the church broke the law. I was expressing shock they would not report a child porn trafficker knowing there are victims out there that's all. I suppose if the church is not mandated by law to report someone who traffics child porn then it looks as if they did the right thing.
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6 hours ago, NeedleinA said:
@mrmarket ^^^^ this is exactly the type of post I previously referenced, as part of your posting modus operandi .
It is bad enough that the individual in the OP is around, but your continual need to then dredge up other bad examples while then attempting to fling mud at the Church or Church leadership... why?
Why have you chosen this path for yourself? Why this need to define yourself this way?
You have skills. You have been blessed by our Father in Heaven. You have some semblance to a member of the Church, yet you are way too eager to use your talents for the negative.
I believe you could do better, much better. Have a heart to heart with yourself, sooner than later and ask:"Are my actions, my comments helping others or hurting others?"
"In my eagerness to toss out the sensational morsel have I lifted up or brought others down today?"
"Did my comments strengthen or weaken someone's testimony?"Option 1: If you are continually doing this out of ignorance, then there is hope that you will see the error in your ways.
Option 2: If you are doing this to be malicious, then shed the sheep's clothing already and state your real intentions for being here.I'm hoping for Option 1, this is why I've taken the time to share my concern with you.
Well thanks for the accolades on my skills and however i have been blessed. You do not know me but ill take it so thanks.
Perhaps instead of making me the bad guy here, why not explain how this discipline thing works for child porn production and trafficking? Did the church reach out to the individual families whos little kids' naked pictures have and continue to be sold round the world and let them know what was going on? How do you think you would feel as a parent knowing someone in authority knew your child was photographed naked for pornagraphic purposes and instead of informing you, the rehab of the suspect was a more pressing priority than your child? I just dont get it. I feel a victim has a right to know and the parents should have a right to decide whether or not the law is involved.
I imagine someday down the road facial recognition will be so good the underground child pornographers will be able to actually id their victims and try to go after their kids next so they can have an updated photo album. Dont think for a minute these freaks wont try some trick like that. The more likely scenario is just sending the pics to the now middle aged victims and taunting them. What a surprise it would be to have something pop up on a text message with a pic of a victim and suspect they know together and have to find out someone who could have reported it didnt and now you have a new friend on the internet texting you your own personal porn from a burner phone.
So it sounds like from one of the other posts utah is not a mandatory reporting state. I guess its a legal reason and i suppose since it is legal it is then a good reason. I dont think it is a good reason for the reasons listed above, but not my show to run so theres that.
Im all for rehabilitation but at some point a victim should have a say in things. Maybe its just me though.
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5 hours ago, Just_A_Guy said:
If Utah had been a mandatory-clergy-reporter state, this guy would never have come forward at all.
As it was, he was able to make a confidential confession to his leadership; and by continual ministry, the Church was able within five months to get this kid into a position where he ultimately came forward of his own accord and, in the presence of his own criminal defense attorney, not only made a full confession but turned the computer over for further analysis. In the meantime, one presumes his bishop was very careful not to put him into a calling that gave him access to children.
But for clergy privilege, this guy would have been completely undetected (and his victims wholly unidentified) down to the present moment. Scenarios like this are exactly why many states offer clerical privilege: in the long run, it lets us cast a wider net than we otherwise could; particularly in states where confessional religion is so pervasive.
Oh, by the way: the juvie court system deals with literally hundreds of teenaged boys who did everything Alyk did and more. They do their time, and at age 21 they are released—no criminal record, no sex offender registry, nothing to warn the community what they have done and what they are capable of. If we’re going to give a pass to democratic governments whose whole raison d’être is to find predators and remove them from the community, then it’s inconsistent for us to get righteously indignant when a church that openly values repentance, forgiveness, and confidentiality is going to take advantage of perfectly legal processes in furtherance of those values.
Yea good thing they didnt report him. When he was sent home, he was released back into his home where the parents were still running a day care. So letting him back into a home with other peoples children is a good thing knowing this kid did this stuff? They did shut it down a week or two later but even the parents kept the biz up and running knowing he was being sent home for child porn. Im sure you would be just fine with him around your kids right? Just so long as he is working on things.
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5 hours ago, Vort said:
I fear you're wasting your breath, Needle. mrmarket has made his intentions unmistakably clear.
What were pams intentions? I was just responding with another news story.
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https://kutv.com/news/local/lds-church-leaders-failed-to-report-man-who-confessed-to-making-child-porn-docs-say
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1 hour ago, pam said:
Retirement? What is that?
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1 hour ago, Still_Small_Voice said:
That is so unwise to sell in recent weeks. If I would have sold off all my mutual funds and investments around March 23rd I would have lost big money. I think from March 23rd to the 27th my investments recovered losses of $4,000 or more. The time to sell was November 2019 to February 19th 2020. It is time to buy or ride out this market crash.
Agreed but I can only talk sense into a minority of people.
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The past few weeks we had lots of transactions of SELLS from clients we couldn't talk into hanging on and riding it out. Now all kinds of new money is flowing in so we are doing lots of buys right now. Also the 2019 IRA contribution deadline was pushed to the right on the calendar. Lots of people maxing out their 2019 contributions to take advantage of the fire sale going on right now.
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On 3/28/2020 at 12:54 PM, Just_A_Guy said:
I’m still about 25-30 years from retirement (if I even live that long), and my retirement will primarily be funded by a state pension anyways. There’ll be a small-ish 401(k), but I’m not counting on it for my bread and butter.
I feel bad for those in the private sector or who were counting on their 401(k)s in the short term. But largely it’s not my economic ox that’s getting gored here. If this stimulus check-thing comes to pass, our family will probably be getting upwards of $5K; and while there’s always stuff we could do with that kind of money—we don’t really need it. I’m thinking we’ll probably donate at least a thousand of it to our ward fast offering fund—our ward is mostly private-sector computer engineers, and I suspect a lot of them are about to be unemployed.
Smallish 401K? I thought you were an attorney? State and municipal employees making half as much usually retire with at least a QTR mil in those things. An atty should be at least triple to 4x that.
As a state employee that should actually be a 457 plan. Load it up cuz the whole market is on sale right now. Back up the truck
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Just spoke to a family member today. Their stake just barely authorized its members to do sacrament at home. They were surprised to hear we had been doing it all along. They also have no plan as to how to make the sacrament available to the no. Priesthood households and elderly. As of now they want to send the priests to do it inside the members homes. Interesting how just a few miles apart, stakes under the same area authority can operate so differently.
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29 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:
I know a guy who was on a business trip from the US to Europe. He had some sort of serious medical complication, and was emergency life-flighted back to the US for treatment. It cost $100k.
Not a suprise...the flight itself was prob the cheap part. That is just an overpriced ambulance.
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8 minutes ago, anatess2 said:
I would love to know exactly how much this cost the Church. I don't know if they release the budget to this detail but it would be an interesting thing. Maybe they'll have a line-item on the next budget report... CoVID expense:
There will very likely not be any financial disclosure.
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2 hours ago, JohnsonJones said:
WOW, that is a staggering price...
But, there is probably more to the story than just the flight and accommodations. Diplomacy can actually cost more money at times than people may think, and negotiating a way to get missionaries out of nations that have closed themselves off or have it very hard to get beyond the borders (in or out) can be a costly endeavor.
I dont know if the $25Bn figure is accurate. Seems as if the only place I have seen/head that is antaness' post. I would be surprised if the church had to pay that much in bribes or even flight charters to get people back. It sounds more in-line with the figure the church lost in the stock market in the last few weeks with what we know about the $100Bn + portfolio.
Chartering a jet costs tons of money, but I did it a few times for work (737) which was one way from east coast to west and that was $185K. Overseas??? Im sure it would be a lot more. $25Bn? Doubt it.- JohnsonJones and anatess2
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On 5/31/2019 at 4:02 PM, mdfxdb said:
are general authorities required to live the law of consecration? How can we really know how well off they are? Our prophet was a cardiac surgeon. Those guy's make $ almost without limit at the level he was practicing at. What happened to it all? Utchdorf likes his Breitling watches...... not cheap.
Pres. Monson was a lifetime church employee, I'm not surprised he had a modest home...
My area auth lives in a $1.5mil home. I have been there and know the address. He is an attorney. BTW GAs and I believe all of them are paid approx. $120K annually. Part of that payment is parsonage which is a non taxable housing allowance. It isnt a ton of money, but having about 8-10% or your pay noon-taxable is a nice benefit. They can have whatever they get better them than me.
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1 hour ago, mrmarket said:
If you vote that dimwit into office again, I will take it personally (ok, ok, like that makes a difference, but still...)
I got the idea you think Im a romney voter right here.
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43 minutes ago, estradling75 said:
He should have done... exactly what Sinema did. The optics look great for her. For the Church she help bring our Son's and Daughter's home. For everyone else.. she helped bring stranded Americans home.. The only people that plays poorly to are people who are anti American
I thought the church had this all under control. Had no idea they needed a senator to get it done. From now on perhaps they should consult with the govt first before doing things of any scale.
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14 minutes ago, anatess2 said:
Imagine that. Sinema had better problem-solving skills than the Eagle Scout Romney.
YOU - Utah majority. Not YOU, mrmarket. Sorry if it wasn't obvious.
Really? A Senator doesn't think he should help his constituents on a foreign diplomatic endeavor to the Philippine government because... it would help his Church and the optics would be bad? What use is he then??? Well, beside optics... That's about the only thing he cares about, I find. I don't even know why you're trying to defend the indefensible.
I don’t live in Utah have no idea where u got that.
again, what exactly was mittens going to do? Tell the church how to pull this off? I think not.
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They are investigating the bishop who also happens to be the family doctor. Apparently he was replaced by another Bishop who was not the DR. He reported it to the church but was advised not to contact LE. Seems as if possibly not required to contact LE even if it is an ongoing abuse situation. If so, that law needs to change. Imagine having a ward member confess to you he is molesting his kids and then send him home that night knowing they will be re-victimized. But...since it is the church policy and it is the law apparently it absolutely is the right thing to do. I'm sure you will agree,