Carborendum

You mean @truthseaker's cousins? No, I think this is a different person.

Gale, Is that normal for you to feign offense when truth is spoken?

Gale, How is it that you mess up understanding the clearly written word so badly, and yet claim that all you have to do is read without any other help in order to understand? My 8 year old was able to read this without anyone having to explain it to him. And he understood it. Do you really expect us to believe that you don't understand what is clearly written? Do you really expect us to believe that you're earnestly seeking the truth? Or are you instead earnestly seeking to purposefully misread things and feign confusion? None of this is confusing to anyone else, including my 8 year old. But you are injecting confusion where there was none. Who brings confusion to a discussion? The Lord? Or Satan? Whom do you serve when you're injecting confusion where there was none before?

What are you calling your "initial" post? I first addressed this: This has nothing to do with "what we call it" or "mass production" or anything you just brought up in the previous post. I'm not trying to be argumentative. I just want to understand. I am just getting confused about your posts apparently conflating several issues that are not in direct causal relationship with one another. So, what are you talking about?

But isn't that really what is being encouraged? Regardless of what you actually said or even what your links actually say, that is the end result of the line of reasoning. Pres. Harold B. Lee addresses the "problem of Liberal Mormons." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY9f0WIJ4Jg Now, don't get you dander up. He defines "liberal" not in political terms, but in theological & scholarly terms. He defines it as This statement, as clear as it is, can still be misconstrued to apply to anyone or no one. But in his discourse, he gives more detail to the people he's talking about. He describes the individual who claims membership and even faith and/or testimony, but then goes and tries to justify every belief (or condemn every belief) based on secular standards rather than divine standards -- then seeks to change the Church based on those secular principles (wording is mine). Those articles linked in the OP provide perfect examples of this methodology. And by encouraging this methodology as the means for determining truth takes us away from the Lord and His Spirit. It causes us to ignore the Prophet. I've used the description before. And I'll give it again. People want to create God in their own image rather than remembering that He created us in His image.

Yes, don't you? I mean, you seemed to have READ the BoM. So, you know what it says, right? That's what you are claiming about your belief in salvation.

And when the government decides no, there is no other choice. But in a free market there are MANY additional choices. That was my thesis. Nope. They're merely ONE source. There are still many other choices. I've gone over them. But you appear to be ignoring them. Most of it can be. Why do you minimize it to only be "part" of it? Yes it can. You're again making the liberal claim that any death must be due to lack of health care. NOT TRUE. https://www.verywellhealth.com/leading-causes-of-infant-death-1132374 https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/infant-mortality/topicinfo/causes Look at those leading causes of death. How many of them have to do with lack of healtcare? As far as I can see, NONE. But @mikbone would be a better person to ask about that than I am. But again, you only see "more deaths = lack of healthcare." Stop repeating that line and look at the reality behind the numbers.

Yup. And that is the difficulty. See what I wrote to JJ above.

I know that we're often on opposite sides on issues. But I completely agree with these two posts 100%. Thank you. I only edited the quotes because they were extremely long. You still have that gift of gab.

Read what I posted prior to the video you're watching. And NO, triage doesn't happen every day in a hospital. It does happen. But it's a lot less common than what TV would have you think. But that kid in the UK was not a matter of triage. It was government simply stamping their foot and killing a child.

That is essentially what they would be. Let's get this clear. We're talking about individual level airplanes. But the appearance and utility of a traditional car is being added to the design. This is really the only change. But that includes major obstacles. Easily fit it into a typical parking lot. Operates at a level that the common man can learn to an acceptable level of safety. Logistics of getting in and out, storing luggage, etc. This is largely geometry. But to couple those requirements with aerodynamics sufficient to make fuel economy reasonable is difficult.

No, it isn't. That was unveiled four+ years ago. Video is 2 years old. But not a single unit has been sold.

I feel the need to yet again remind people of what a community can do.

I know I edited the article as you were writing your response. But here it is again. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/03/terminally-boy-denied-potentially-life-saving-treatment-nhs/ Here was a blatant opportunity for a child to get the care he needed where it was available, and it was a government death panel that deliberately prevented it from happening. This is a fairly common occurence. You have not taken into account the idea the fact that there are MANY ways of already treating long term issues even for poor people. Medicaid is available. Charities are available. Go Fund Me and sites like that are available. And the Free Market WILL provide many more opportunities to fill in the gaps this way. Remember that the free market also includes charities. These are free-will exchanges that people enter into. These are free-market principles operating charities. Also remember that there is nothing that is 100%. So, yes, there will be some that fall through cracks in ANY system. But even with a government system that is supposed to be 100% (getting EVERYONE in its safety net) they have even more who fall through the cracks than a free market system would. The biggest problem with government deciding vs WE THE PEOPLE deciding is that if a government agency makes a decision, there is no way to appeal. That is why government panels truly are "death panels". They're all encompassing. There is no other choice to be had. With the market, there are other options. People have a choice. If one hospital says no, another might say yes. If money is an obstacle, there may be a way to get it. People at a local church held a bake sale to pay for a life-saving operation for a man with a tumor. ONE BAKE SALE paid for it. For people with long term issues, people in a community can come together. There are choices. With government, there are none.

You had once stated that you were interested in being baptized as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We do NOT hold NDEs to be scripture. So, if you're not willing to plow your field and re-sow, you're not ready for the waters of baptism. The Church is enlightened by more people who carry with them the Spirit of God into the Church. Your intent from the beginning has been to bring with you all manner of false doctrine so that you may be driven with the wind and tossed. STOP IT! Humble yourself and learn from the Oracles of God. Learn from actual scriptures rather than the privately interpreted house-of-cards that you've formed for yourself. Those who have claimed NDEs are NOT PROPHETS!!! just because they claim an NDE. Stop treating them as such.

Not so. Read the law. Even so, there is partial truth in what you say. But that partial untruth is pretty important. For one thing, we don't have the following happen because of government run panels. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/03/terminally-boy-denied-potentially-life-saving-treatment-nhs/

You'e overthinking this. We actually have working models of flying cars right now that fly at low aviation altitudes (helicopter). They don't go along highways. They aren't close enough to the ground to have their wakes affect anyone or anything on the ground. If you're talking about lift off and landing, yes, they'd have to essentially have mini-air-bases. Their underlying flight principles are more similar to gyrocopters. And they are about as (un)safe. For something like a mass-produced commercial item, they'd have to have higher safety standards. For today's prototype models to be brought up to modern aviation safety standards, they'd cost significantly more than they do now.

While Obamacare was being debated, Sarah Palin was roundly chastized for decrying the inevitability of death panels. Whelp!! Here it is: https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/CDPH Document Library/COVID-19/California SARS-CoV-2 Crisis Care Guidelines4-20.pdf A point system for determining who dies and who lives.

We actually have the technology to build a flying car today. But it would cost several million dollars just to get someone to work.

I have some problems with your facts and even reasoning. But they're not worth dragging through right now. The one biggest flaw in this theory (hold on till the end when I partially agree with you) is that we're now getting more and more complete data on the real numbers. And the fact is that it seems that it is far LESS deadly than we had originally thought. The whole reason for shutting things down was that the initial numbers + the deception from Chinese data indicated that this virus had a much greater spread rate than the common flu and it had about a 10 to 50 x greater mortality rate. That's panic-worthy. But the latest data we're receiving as we actually have time to administer accurate tests in large quantities indicate that it is not very deadly at all. The rate the numbers seem to be dropping, it may be that the mortality rate is actually less than the common flu. So, how do I agree with this conspiracy theory? Because by giving a false impression about the deadly nature of the flu, the US economy is in ruins. We have no idea if we'll bounce back or how fast. Maybe, THAT was the game plan all along. But that's ... just a theory. A CONSIPIRACY THEORY!!! (dramatic music/fanfare).

Well, we need to understand that math is that gateway to underlying truth. So, we take the 666 and add the digits together = 18. Add those digits together = 9, A cat has 9 lives. And the Beatles wrote the song Revolution 9. Cats and Beetles will be the true plague rather than locusts that will be a sign of the end times. It's as clear as "Louisiana high ground" that the scriptures warn us that Cats are agents of evil. Tah-dah!!

I interpret it in the following way. I'm grateful that I could help you understand it better.

Dennis, I have to wonder, are NDEs your "scriptural canon" upon which you base your faith? If not, why do you lean so heavily upon these words of men, rather than the word of the Lord? Why do you quote them so much? If you do use them as part of your scriptural canon, then why do you lean so heavily upon these words of men, rather than the word of the Lord?

Please explain what you mean by "unfortunate fundamentalism." What specific words or doctrinal declaration are you referring to as "fundamentalism." Why exactly is that fundamentalism unfortunate?

Yes.