Dravin

Try Lewiston, ID. Hot, humid and it stinks to high heavens (paper mill), its even in a depression.

Water, G2 (preferably the Lemon-Lime or Blueberry-Pomegranate) and the occasional diet caffeine free cola (though admittedly with cherry syrup, I only get it at gas stations) or that light minute made stuff. Those are the usual drinks, I really try to keep the calories I'm drinking to a minimum, and I try to minimize my diet soda intake as well. So mostly its water though its not like its 100% low/non cal, the occasional apple beer or shake makes it into my splurge days (or I just sacrifice actual nutrition and compensate for it with less calories through the rest of the day). And even if I do splurge at a restaurant it tends to be water, its what I'm used to and I try to drink copious amounts of it, sometimes I drive the wait staff to distraction and they just leave a pitcher of it at the table instead of constantly refilling it themselves. :)

Hallo Kearns! :) Greetings from Eagle Mountain. You know if someone did a google map plot of everyone on the forums I wonder just how crowed the SLC-Provo corridor would be.

I can understand modern language translation, if you aren't used to KJV English it can be a little confusing and daunting both, couple that with if you don't enjoy reading or don't read very well I can see the desire. Heck, I've talked to more than one member who wished there was a modern English BoM and this is people who grew up with thee, thou, and it came to pass and the like. The niche/gimmick translations I don't get so much though, while they are more entertaining and hip that's not why I read the scriptures. I'm sure somebody with a better understanding will be along to explain it though.

Actually, I think we are shortsighted greedy entitled whiners. We should play a game, lets pile on the adjectives!

Okay, once again this may have been shared already (by me possibly, that's the problem with such a long thread). A dying rich man who has been a good man all his life is still troubled by the thought that he can't take anything with him to heaven, so he prays constantly about the matter. After quite some time of this an angel appears and tells him that he may take one thing with him into heaven. The man spends the short remainder of his life debating with himself what he should take with him and he finally settles on a piece of gold bullion. The fatefull day comes and the man finds himself standing outside the pearly gates and holding the gold. Quite happy with what has happened he lugs the gold over to the gate and is greated by St. Peter. After a few minutes of talking Peter looks at the gold bullion and with a curious look on his face asks, “Why'd you bring a paving stone?”

Obviously he's an Islamic Kenyan Sleeper Agent. I gotta go with tempest in a teapot, there are reasons to disagree with his presidency, this ain't one of 'em.

I've always kind wondered what It'd be like to wear a lava-lava to church.

To use Elder Packer's terminology, the factory is running at full bore, it can take a while for things to settle down. Try periodically increasing the timing between lapses. So if twice a day is normal, cut down to once a day, then every other day, and so on, it'll help with the body's screaming of, “We've got a build up here!” though that won't be completely eliminated, you are 16. Also, expect plenty of nocturnal emissions in this time. It can take a while before with the Lord's help (that part is key) you can get control of it. I had nights were I really wasn't sure if I wasn't going to give in even 6 months or so after. Heck, its been 2 years and I still occasionally find it a hard thing to control, but this always (at least that I've noticed) coincides with an ebb in my spirituality. You spent a lot of time establishing the habit, its gonna take time to break it. Prayer and scripture study are two big ones. Pray that you can feel the spirit at church, pray to have your testimony reconfirmed. When you say your prayers sometimes work, what exactly do you mean? They are probably doing it, but ask them to pray for you. To add your name to the Temple prayer roll, go to the temple and pray for you there. Fast with you. Even if they are already doing these things you requesting it will help them understand that they are helping in ways they can.

Depends, is it cheaper to either purchase or capture and grind them yourself. I'm thinking the Pied Piper of Hamelin could make a fortune.

I just giggle that there is something called a BARF diet based on this idea. No seriously: BARF Diet - Healthy & Natural Raw Food For Dogs & Cats, Pet Health Care Food & Nutrition Products Supply Online

Oh, I know it doesn't fit the situation you're finding, there was just talk about not letting dogs in the house ever, I was just pointing out that there is nothing wrong with that given certain situations. Such as the dog being perfectly adapted to the weather (and having shelter). Not playing/interacting with it, watering it and feeding it are issues independent of letting it in the house or not.

And if she had spoken out in support of it she would have alienated the other side. Kinda hard to represent opposite sides of the same argument at the same time. If you seriously expect somebody to represent 300 million odd people in anything but the fact she's human you are in fantasy land. You asked her what she though, she told you. Though I suppose having the skill to give soft answers that don't actually let people know how you feel about something is a useful skill to develop particularly if you want to be in the limelight. I thought she wasn't supposed to be a politician though... make up your mind. Interestingly enough if she had said, "I think it should be legalized in every state." it is just as political but I doubt would have gotten the response. So I don't think the issue here is that the answer was political or that it didn't represent everyone but that they didn't agree with it. And its fine you didn't agree with it just don't try to hide behind how it doesn't represent the American People (it represents a fair number of them or this would be a non-issue) and how its a political answer so thats why it isn't acceptable.

If you can't abide a Celestial law you can't abide a Celestial glory (D&C 88:22-24). If you don't keep your covenants you don't get the blessing associated with them (D&C 130:20-21). Its also been mentioned that those who are unclean will not feel comfortable in the presence of God, so should he make those people feel uncomfortable, possibly for eternity just for you? (Mormon 9:4) This is perfectly fair. If you tell your kid they can have candy if they do the dishes but they don't, so you don't give them candy is this unfair? Now we have a situation where you can't give them candy (lets say somehow they are extremely diabetic until they do the dishes, they can't abide the candy) unless they do the dishes, is this unfair?

I'm inclined to go with the much laughter being tied into light mindedness. Laughing is fine, jokes are fine but if one laughs at everything then one ends up laughing at and taking the sacred lightly. Kinda reminds me of some Missionaries. We get surrounded by religion for 2 years, you tend to joke about what is around you and that can easily go to far. For instance I heard of a couple instances of Missionaries dressing in bed sheets and 'impersonating' the Holy Ghost, I doubt God found it amusing. Same with one missionary who made a joke about something in the temple.

One would expect so, but people are funny. Judas betrayed Christ, Cain murdered Able. There are people out there with the same attitude that the man in McConkie's talk holds, I've received a witness that the church is true, but why act on it, you'll just do my work when I'm dead and that way I can keep drinking and watching porn. Now I imagine it isn't the majority of non-member spouses (or members for that matter), I'm just pointing out that temple work for the dead is not an automatic move directly to Go, collect $200 dollars anymore so than it is for the living. Oh, I know it wasn't particularly germane to the discussion currently being held, I was just pointing out that one can make it to the Celestial Kingdom and not progress to be like our Father. And you are of course free to believe whatever you want just as I.

You know the situation better than I ever will, but depending on the breed of the dog and where you live its perfectly fine to not let the dog in the house (same with cats for that matter), they have fur for a reason. Now of course if you live in Fairbanks you can't leave your hairless pooch outside in -40 (unless it has a kickin' doghouse) or if you live in Flagstaff you can't leave a malamute outside at 110 F but there are circumstances where not letting the dog in the house is perfectly fine. Now the situation in the OP doesn't sound like that, but I just felt like sayin'.

I've gotta side with the they should be selling the candy bars crowd. The money was a donation, unless the person said, "I'll buy 5, but just keep them for yourself" or something similar no candy bars were purchased. If I donated X amount of money to such an endeavor and watched the scout(s) mow down on X amount of candy as they walked away I'd be annoyed. The whole point (well part of it anyway) of donating instead of buying them is so they walk away with 100% profit not X Money - Y Cost of Candy. I wonder if said parents would think it cool if they donated to an organization that was selling cruises at $1000 with $250 of it going to a charity. So they give $1000 dollars to a random volunteer as a donation to the charity who then turns around and buys the cruise for themselves (or a friend), so instead of $1000 going to the charity as I intended only $250 was and the remainder was being used for someone's personal pleasure instead. Sure we are talking candy instead of cruises but the principle is the same.

Scriptures and priesthood manual and myself of course. There are some advantages to being single I guess. :)

All the data I've seen indicates that solar and wind generated energy costs more to produce than oil and coal. I'd like to see a cite for your claims that such sources for energy are cheaper than fossil fuels. For instance, considering Solar Energy from here: For wind we get, from here, 7.5 cents per kWh, look at the second heading, "How Expensive is Wind-Generated Electricity?" I imagine that is factoring good wind sites, there are plenty of sites where a fossil fuel plant could run just fine that isn't true for wind (or solar). From here Geothermal comes to closest at 5 cents for kWh estimated for a new plant. Looks like the extant one mentioned can compete though (3.5 kWh). It also has placement issues at present because not every place has geothermal heat sources near the surface. This will of course change as the price of oil goes up (the US still has plenty of coal though), but currently the fossil fuels are less expensive as a means of producing energy, not more.

Considering most people are average, and I myself am average It'd be pretty harsh for me to refuse somebody who met my criteria but wasn't a nobel peace price winner or what have you. To quote a line from Elder Oaks' talk Divorce, "In all of this, we should realize that a good marriage does not require a perfect man or a perfect woman. It only requires a man and a woman committed to strive together toward perfection." Divorce among members (non-members to for that matter) is because of selfishness on one or both spouses part not because the grade of materials is so inferior. Read the talk The Seven Deadly Heresies by Bruce R. McConkie. Somebody who knows the gospel is true and doesn't convert(D&C 76:79) in this life does not even make it to the lowest level of the celestial kingdom, they will be going to the terrestial. As far as the cessession of progression in the Celestial Kingdom, if you never get married in the temple: If you never get married in the temple (post humously sealed to a civil wife or in this life) you don't progress. Now there are ordinances for the dead and God is merciful such that if you were the only LDS guy in an Island of female Hitlers and thus never married because there was nobody who met your standards we've been told things will be taken care of (though that's mostly talking to the Sisters). So if I decide to never get married and never do so not because of circumstance but because I simply refuse to enter the new and everlasting covenant then my progression is halted and my understanding is that yes, I'd be in the celestial kingdom and damned. This of course wouldn't apply to this particular situation as we are talking about marriage and the temple work would be done by someone but anything short of the highest level in the celestial kingdom is not exaultation (Words to Know. Thats what standards do, thy box you in. If you refuse to marry prostitutes* because you value chasity you are boxing yourself in. Boxing yourself in is not a bad thing. *I'm not saying all non-members = prositutes. This isn't limited to Utah, we are conciled (everywhere not just in Utah) to seek after temple worthy mates (and to be one ourselves). And yes, to reject a potential mate who is temple worthy simply because they've not served a mission is not in my opinion the best of things. I agree that sometimes members (and people in general) can have unrealistic standards for potential spouses (Dark hair, brooding, 6' 4", ripped, rich...) I just don't think temple worthiness and temple marriage is one of them. No you shouldn't divorce them. If you keep your covenants but your spouse does not God will not punish you for it. As far as folks divorcing non-members when they don't convert, they never should have married them in the first place (or stopped dating them when they didn't convert and before you made some serious promises). Marrying somebody expecting them to make a significant change in their life somewhere down the road is asking for hurt, whether it be converting or no longer beating you, it can happen, just don't plan on it. Edit - Not directed at anyone in particular: This First Presidency Message I think says some of what I'm trying to say better than I actually am.

Because it will either sell more or the director/writer feels it is needed for the audience to appreciate his artistic vision. For most I imagine because they are being paid to do so or for the above mentioned artistic vision. At least most actors or actresses won't walk down the street nude (I suppose there are some that would if they could get away with it) just for the heck of it. I imagine most of them no, though some of them may feel some degree of shame that is overshadowed by other considerations. Generally I imagine people who would be deeply ashamed to take part in something like that refuse to do so. Some of them I suppose are atheists, others have a religion of some type which they follow to varying degrees. That's all my supposition, you'd have to ask somebody who actually acts in such roles to get a real answer, actually you'd have to ask many such people to get a real answer.

You'd have massive amounts of unemployed people as businesses that depend on oil based products shut their doors, some would be able to retool but not all of them would pull it off.. farm equipment that runs on diesel and the transportation industry would stop working, enthonol would provide some fuel but it wouldn't be sufficent. As a result you would have mass famine as food could not be planted or harvested in the quantities that mechanization allows, even if that wasn't a problem the food couldn't move anywhere in the quantities or the speed needed. In short supply grocery store shelfs would be bare as people started to realize this. You'd have massive rioting over food and basic neccesities. Places where population density is the greatest would have the hardest time.. Power generation would be interrupted as oil fired plants ran through their reserves and died. There would be a massive switch to coal, but transportation remains a problem so you'd still have problems. Without oil back-up generators in hospitals and other important places would start to fail. A lack of electricity would bring down communications, places stuck without power would find medical care severely interrupted as doctors go back to the 19th century as they machines fail to work and supplies of things like medicine dwindle. Law enforcement would have issues as well because of a lack communication and no vehicles to patrol in besides bicycles. Places with geothermal, nuclear, or hydroelectric power might be spared this.. Depending on the time of year heating and cooling would be an issue. Some would die of heat exhaustion in extremely hot climates, if the past outages of AC are any example, mostly the elderly. This would be compounded by not having running water in such places (no pumps for water stations or home owned wells), they wouldn't even be able to run fans. If in the winter people who depend on electric or oil heating (natural gas if you are including that) may freeze to death. People would fight over wood stoves, and burn what ever they could get their hands on to stay warm. Again, places with geothermal, nuclear, or hydroelectric power might be spared this. For the oil fired folk, expect a run on space heaters.Okay there is probably flaws in the above, but the basic infrastructure that we've come to rely upon would suffer serious problems.

Okay, then scholars have been very busy since I last checked because last I checked the writings that we had were for the most part hundreds of years removed from when the prophecies were given. For instance don't scholars believe that the Torah is an oral history that wasn't written down until 500BC or so. Or at least the compilation that we are working with is dating from that time? If such is the case then nobody knows exactly what Moses may have said. The New Testament is less problematic as the time scale is smaller but you still don't have the pieces of parchment that various apostle either wrote or dictated and some of the changes are fairly subtle/small. My point was we know the prophecy existed before the JST, Lehi made it and he very well may have been quoting the brass plates, which if so means it was written down somewhere. So the prophecy was already extant and possibly already recorded in the past as far as somebody who believes the man is a prophet goes he wasn't making prophecies up. Additionally unless you happen to have original copies of what Moses said you don't know it wasn't there any more then I know it was. Do I think its reasonable to assume that not every change was in the original text and that it was modified according to Joseph Smith's inspired understanding? Certainly. Thing is, unless Joseph said something about Genesis 50, or we have a copy of what Moses said we don't know one way or the other if it was there to begin with or not. *shrug* Makes perfect sense if you want to hinder the restoration. I've encountered plenty of people who demand I show them in the Bible where it talks about Joseph Smith, If I could quote that to them it might help (or more likely they'd just argue over if thats what it actually means like they do any verse they demand they be shown, demanding instead of queries for explanation tend to show a certain mindset in my experience). Also, you are assuming that some person is sitting over some records somewhere thinking, "What are the future implications of the removing of this scripture in the restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the latter days." accident and mishap are also possibilities, additionally Israel was in bondage several times, I could see the powers that be taking a crack at it and trying to excise all they could about seers rising up, the last one that did so in Israel started them on the path of swarming over the land of Canaan like locusts. Now talking about lost scripture in general. I'm fairly sure that every verse in the book of Zenock or the Book of Gad the Seer was not 'Restoration Gold' but would have been lost through the same processes any historical document doesn't make it down the annuls of history to us. Scripture has the additional trouble of people weeding through it to decide cannon and Satan actually caring that scripture gets lost (or confused as not genuine when it is) where he probably doesn't care as much about Obsolitious' Treatise on Roses.

Why would they're be alarm bells over a Prophet of God restoring scripture? Pretty much the same prophecy is made in the Book of Mormon so we as members already believe its true so the fact that it was once in the Bible but since removed/lost doesn't bother us at all, especially considering the prophecy in the BoM is coming from the brass plates meaning that records of such a prophecy were extant in the past in sacred writings and thus its no great stretch to consider that they may have become lost over the ~2000 years between the removal of the brass plates from Jerusalem and the JST.