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Here, here Lindy!! I agree....

Great, Lindy...I thought they probably would have those dolls already in the US...just a shame they aren't made obligatory in sex-ed lessons...:)

Yep...I remember Curvette...sheeeesh...some men!!

Yeah...but what price do you put on love and loyalty? That isn't a fairytale surely?

*mood that is!

hehehe...I wont tell you what's going thru my mind at the moment then...even with a British accent!!! I'm in a very mischievous mood!! Say no more...

Well said Outshined!! :)

Oh...and if women didn't produce children for your happy families....WHO WOULD? they belong to the husbands too, you know!!

LOL...if men had periods they would all be taking pills to STOP them having periods!!! They ain't no fun you know...not to some of us anyways... I agree that if women want 12 days off a year for periods then men should have 12 days off for 'similar' circumstances...wonder what they could include...lol. I do NOT agree that women should be paid less because they have children, time off for caring for children etc. When my child was born, I was considered a part time worker, I was on a higher rate of pay per hour than my husband (different jobs), and I worked overtime so that I worked full time...however, as soon as one of my children was ill, hospitalised, it was expected of me to take time off my job to stay with them in hospital...take them to the doctor's/hospital visits etc. I had no choice... My daughter was hospitalised with severe asthma many times during her first 12 months, I worked around her illnesses so that I was staying at home after she went to sleep in the evenings...usually from around 8pm, going to work in the mornings, and then going straight to the hospital to care for her from 12.30pm till she went to sleep again...I did not start work any later than the men in the office, we all started at 8.30am...that was after I had washed, fed and dressed my daughter and taken her to the childminders for the morning, under normal circumstances...I worked between the hours of 8.30am and 8.30pm 7 days a week to ensure that I was at home at least a morning or afternoon every day with my daughter, and was home at 9pm each evening to put my daughter to bed...my husband worked a straight 8-4pm shift...we both worked between 37 + 40 hours per week, but I was still expected to have his evening meal prepared for him, ready to warm up in the microwave every evening, and to do all the washing, ironing etc. What do you think about THAT DisRuptive1????

Can anyone explain this whole business to me...seems that there are contradictory things going on here...according to Curvette the church supports these people during their calling, according to Cal they don't? What is the 'norm' here????

Curvette, Jenda and Amillia...once again I applaud YOU on your comments this time!! Yes, I appreciate the scenario that Cal is trying to set up...but that is just, as you said, 'titt for tatt' plain money business...there doesn't seem to be any room for love in that set up!! Also, is the SAHW entitled to holidays and holiday pay? Is she entitled to sickness benefits/days off when she is unwell, or will she have to deduct that amount from the allowance her husband allows her to 'spend on herself='spend on herself and the children', in order to pay the husband for taking over the chores in her absence? Amillia, you sound as if you are doing a great job at your house...I notice that Cal omitted to mention teaching costs when you spend hours teaching your children at home during those essential early years, and all that extra tutoring during the evenings...homework etc...or does the husband get to share at least THAT task? In fact, what does the husband do for his children???? As for the toilet cleaning...well, as you've already said, if it's generally kept clean, then all the women are asking of the gents is PLEASE AIM STRAIGHT, AND MOP UP ANY MESSES YOU MAKE!!! ITS COURTESY....LOL

LOL...exactly...codswallop, hogwash!! all the same thing...very British!! Hope I didn't offend anyone!!

Thank you Snow and DisRuptive for supporting my post...and yes, you are both correct in your statements too. I would not deny any child a LOVING parent, of whatever sexual persuasion, as long as they have passed whatever 'test' is required of them... The greatess sadness to me is to see the NSPCC adverts showing all the poor children (I assume with a male and female parent relationship in their lives), abandoned or abused by those same 'loving' parents/stepparents... It would be a great gain to society if our children, at school, were taught parenting skills and the hardships of the same...I know that in some areas of the UK young girls (teens) are given a lifelike baby doll which they are asked to care for over a weekend. That doll reacts exactly like a baby in that it cries when it is lonely, hurt or hungry...and if it's done a poop (imaginery of course!!). Over the weekend the care of the baby is monitered and recorded in a chip inside of the doll, and then is checked out by a health visitor, or similar, to see just how well the baby has been cared for...has it's head been allowed to drop backwards, has it been shaken vigorously, allowed to be hungry for too long...all sorts of things...I think it would be a useful exercise for all young teens, or from 11 years upwards to practise with these dolls at school under close supervision, then they have a greater awareness of parenting before they become parents.

Thanks Snow!!

LOL...Go on then Snow...I'm finding this thread just a tad boring too...sorry guys!!! (insert yawn smilie... )

Thank you Snow...that's perfect...now if you could post me instructions so that I can do that in future, it would be great!!! Thanks a bunch

Actually, the movie was nominated for several awards. A co-worker recommended it to me. I've never seen something so depressing, and found myself crying hours afterward. DH thought I was losing it! I don't think it would've been so bad if I wasn't a mother though (someone loses a child). I had to give my co-worker a hard time for suggesting it! Thanks...you've just reminded me about one of the 'highlights' of the movie...I wasn't aware of it being nominated for a number of awards...I think I just had very mixed feelings after watching it...perhaps because it was Ben Kingsley I expected something different!! The cover of the video was a little misleading too...I thought it might be something supernatural!! LOL. DisRuptive...no wonder you men have such good sleep habits after your wives have finished cooking and cleaning for you, and obviously provided you with your nightly warm milky drink to ease you into Noddy land...lol

Cal...If only you had posted your last post first, instead of making this whole...men go for attractive women, women go for men with money...sound so shallow, I bet you wouldn't have had half of the negative responses that you have had up to now. I applaud your latest bunch of postings on this topic...and DisRuptive's last post too...yes, it is important to wait until you are emotionally and financially secure enough to take on marriage...under normal circumstances. Yes, we have been 'conditioned' to accept the roles that you stated, but as you also state, we can fight against that conditioning in order to become more independent, or interdependent (if that makes any sense!! hope I'm not putting words into your mouth again Cal...I'm just interpreting what I've read :) ). Yes, we do need to maintain our self esteem by continuing to have a life outside of the family, and in order to keep the 'other half' interested...introduces more to talk about to start with!! So, thanks Cal...

LOL too Winnie...you really have 'shined' in your posts on this topic... Why can't the boys (DisRuptive and Cal) quit whining? They're becoming so tiresome now...same old story, same old arguments, same old SEXISM!!! Well...thank goodness that women CAN cope without them...better off I think!!

Oooh, sorry about the way that quote was posted...I thought it would enter them as 2 separate quotes..2nd one was from Snow of course!! :)

Seems like the usual, brush off when presented with a difficult to answer question...say it doesn't matter what the answer is and just ignore the question...not good!! Snow...you naughty man!! That was a brilliant, if a tad sexist, post!!! LOL

Cal...I agree, yet again!, entirely with your post on this subject. Traveler...You are making assumptions that everyone will choose to live a homosexual life as opposed to a heterosexual life if gay marriage is permitted!! Why do you make that assumption? Do you think that you would automatically change your opinion and choose to be gay tomorrow if gay marriage was allowed? No? Then why should the rest of the world choose to do so? You are either gay or you are not gay...making gay marriage legal and with rights does not 'turn' heterosexuals into homosexuals. I believe that there is nothing wrong with gay couples raising children...there are plenty of children in need of adoption and if a gay couple has been cleared, in the same way as a hetro couple, as being safe to raise a child, then why not? You seem to believe that all gays are rampantly promiscuous, and that they will be performing 'rotic, undisciplined pleasures' every minute of every day..in front of their children even!!! that is soo stereotypical... You also seem to assume that gays wish to marry only for sexual reasons...Can you not see that gay people are just like the rest of us? They are not just sex machines, they have feelings of love, concern for their neighbours and everything else...plus some of the negative feelings that everybody else has too...Please do not be so quick to assume that which you cannot prove.

Don't worry about it...you did try to explain in your first post!! :)

Well...it sounds fine for TBM's...but not good news for the rest of us!! LOL.... Sorry but it sounds like a load of codswallop to me...