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We are all Sons of GOD in the beginning. Angels have their different orders in heaven. And Watchers is of the Religion that Enoch practiced. And Enoch and the inhabitants of Zion were taken to heaven. Melchizedek did the same thing with Salem after the flood. However, because of wickedness the teachings and knowledge was in time removed from the earth. If you read Galatians..it explain that what Abraham received was by promise and the law that came 430 year later was not to replace the promises...but came because of disobedience and great wickedness. And you will also more on the Law in Romans...The law was given to shut the mouth of men and that the whole world might be guilty before God. The way of perfection that Enoch and Melchizedek taught was removed from the earth. And the sign and ordinance for it was the Circumcision where when men removed a piece of their foreskin foreshadowing that they were no longer whole before the Lord. That they were incomplete in Love. Remember J. Smith said that he could not teach one half of what he knew. Neither could Moses. Today we are in the times of the restitution of all things...and them that in faith ask, seek and knock it shall be done to them according to their ability to receive. Watchers is found twice in the book of Daniel. The Hebrews somehow failed to remove all traces of the Religion of Enoch. Where men and some Angels walked hand in hand. Prophets and the scriptures are not the way...they can only point to the way. Every man or woman by and with the Spirit of God must find the way of perfection and walk in it for themselves. And the knowledge for this to happen shall be given to them...bit by bit as taught in Isaiah. bert10

Marriages that survive all things are based on "Unconditional Love" All relationships based on Conditional Love shall end. Because when the conditions which we contract to give out our love changes so does the love. So with time we change so does our love. And we end up in a retaliatory relationship. Please note it is very hard to leave a person when we are in a relationship that has unconditional love for us. And if both are only concerned about giving out love to each other instead of worrying what is in it for me...that marriage will have ties that bind that cannot be broken. For there is no greater power than Love/charity. The only help we can give is teachings on correct doctrines and on "Unconditional Love". And if the people are willing to learn healing shall come. bert10

The Watchers. Yes, there is much confusion. But I suspect not so much in Moses day. The term we are looking for is called the "Watchers" it can be found only Twice in the bible. in the Book of Daniel. The "Watchers" are the true Guardian Angels. They were here to help and guide Mankind in the path of Righteousness. The Fallen Watchers are they who left their habitation to do what was wicked before the Lord. They taught men in the ways of wickedness...to put a value on man and elements and how to use elements for wickedness. They created Nephilims by sorcery with the daughters of men and corrupted plants and animals. [Genetic engineering]. God destroyed all their works so that none survived except what God created and commanded Noah to save. The flood destroyed them all and the works of the Fallen Watchers. However, God allowed sorcery and the giants to be back on the earth when the sons of cain found the ancient writings. Goliath for Example was the last of his kind and he was also the smallest. When Israel measured the bed of Og for example. That bed was 13.5 feet long and six feet wide. [4 X 9 cubits] I think you are right...the meaning "Son of" depends on the teaching or stories it is in. bert10

"They know not what they do" To fully know what one does...and still choose darkness is to become sons of perdition. Their blindness saved them from the worst punishment but not all of it. For they had a portion of the Spirit of Christ within them and it taught them sufficiently to know good from evil. But they not knowing the will of GOD shall receive few stripes even though they have done things worthy of many stripes.[Jesus] As for our attitudes towards the Jews ...By what measure we judge others, God shall measure to us again. And also to the extent that we forgive others God shall forgive us. So how can we be justified in judging and condemning by the revealed laws of heaven that Christ gave us? God said devils point the finger and blames. Judas did and Jesus called him a devil. And how far did Adam and Eve get with God when God demanded an account for doing their failure? Are they held blameless? They should. According to GOD. No not by a long shot. But is not our job to assign culpability and the percentage of it. bert10

The Natural man is made a little less than GOD. But when we put on Christ we become a Spiritual man even a NEW CREATURE!. As for becoming Gods. We already are children of the Most High. Like seeds of a tree the pattern and likeness of our parent is already in us. We are not yet in full bloom. We do not become Gods we already are Gods...and so as Sons of GOD we inherit of GOD by promise if we fulfill the conditions. The power and the Glory can only be had by them who can handle it. bert10

TootiseBlue..There will be a church on the earth when Christ comes. The form and the numbers will depend on us. And the Lord will send one mighty and strong to put order back into his house. Peace be unto you bert10

I wouldn't say crumble..but it is in trouble. For example..Our divorce rate is the same as Christians [not counting temple marriages here] Which means worldly philosophies have invaded our church. There are a couple of prophecies in D&C ..ascribing as to why we are having these problems etc. The majority of the churches of God established on the earth have fallen out of the way by the 4th generation. It is kinda depressing. if you want we can continue this by Email. Silence in the heaven. The Elect are still on the earth so is the Comforter and men who seek the Spirit...they are called "wayfaring men" by Isaiah..the more modern term is "Spiritual Seeker" and these shall find according to their faith. God is not silent as long as a blade of grass grows in the earth, as long as the wind blows, as long as there are clouds and the sun and the moon rise as long as the earth lives so is God near us. It is men who put themselves in position as to not hear Him. The Spirit of God is life and it is in all things even us. Peace be unto you bert10

Hi TootsieBlue. "Silence in heaven" not "Silence from heaven." For the Holy Ghost has not withdrawn from the Elect which are still on the earth. This silence is also a pause before the angels begins the harvest. Peace be unto you bert10

Here is how it works. - Wnut. Sin is transgressing the law. When a person is led by the Spirit as it is written in Galatians...He is not under the law. Galatians 5:18 - But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. a man is justified by the Spirit If a person is not under the law then he is not a transgressor of the law and if he is not a transgressor of the law...he is not a sinner. --------------------------------------- John said that if a man is born of God he is not a sinner...even more than this...He said...HE CANNOT SIN....[unwillingly] 1 John 3:9 - Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God We are commanded by Jesus to be perfect in LOVE as our Father in heaven is perfect in Love. [Matt 5:48] Jesus never gives a commandment that is impossible to be fulfilled. Jesus was referring to the Love of the Father. Matthew 5:48 - Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Once we learn to be led by the Spirit of God..we have this promise concerning the constant cleansing that we are under by the blood of Christ... 1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. To walk in the Light is to be led by the Spirit of God..and when we do...we have fellowship [real fellowship] with each other and with Christ...and as we continue to be led by the Spirit...We are cleansed from all sin by His blood To walk in perfection of way is to be a wayfaring man as described in Isaiah ...it does not mean to be perfect without any human weaknesses. But it is to walk by the Spirit of God. And God takes care of the rest. That is how it works. We cannot please God as the natural man. We can only please God when we become the Spiritual man...which is to be born of God who is Spirit. Again how is this possible?...well you have it plainly in the book of Mormon by Moroni and Moses which says... Moses 6:60 - For by the water ye keep the commandment; by the Spirit ye are justified, and by the blood ye are sanctified; <> By Water we keep the commandment <> We are justified by the Spirit <>WE are sanctified by the Blood. What Moroni at great price revealed here is not impossible...all it takes is the vision followed by Hope which will lead to faith and faith to works and then as Paul would say the Prize is in our grasp. Moroni 10:32 - Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God. Moroni 10:33 - And again, if ye by the grace of God are perfect in Christ, and deny not his power, then are ye sanctified in Christ by the grace of God, through the shedding of the blood of Christ, which is in the covenant of the Father unto the remission of your sins, that ye become holy, without spot. Hope this help Peace be unto you bert10

Snow, Then let the silence be lifted...here are a few examples... <> God creates animals and then man - Gen 1:25-26 God creates man and then the animals - Gen 2:18-19. <> Noah takes 7 pairs of each type of animal onto the ark - Gen 7:2-3 Noah takes one pair of animal onto the ark - Gen 6:19 <> Jacob was buried in a cave in Machpelah's field that was bought from Ephron the Hittite - Gen 50:13 Jacob was buried in a tomb at Shechem bought from the sons of Hamor - Acts 7:15-16 <> Jesus baptised - John 3:22 Jesus did not baptise - John 4:2 And the list goes on. Some say these errors are not big and have no consequences. But these are errors we know by contrast of what is written in the bible. What we do not have; are ANY of the original manuscripts from pen of the prophets or apostles either in the OT or from the NT. So there is no way to know for sure what is correct or incorrect and what is missing since we have nothing to contrast it. If one does not have the Spirit of God he cannot know the truth. And so in answer to this. Jesus said...All who ask in faith shall receive, all who seek in faith shall find and all who knock in faith, it shall be opened. They who put their trust in arms of the Greeks for the NT and the Jews for the OT shall be deceived. And what can the blind translators do about this except to further the way in darkness. These with all their PHD's,degrees in divinity etc....actually open wider the jaws of hell. I know, that God left enough truth in the scriptures so that people may find their way to Him,,,Spiritually. They who come to a Spiritual God by the Spirit shall find their way. They who tries it, with books shall all fail. However, the Lord did not leave us blind. In the days of the Restitution of all things...we have the BOM to light our way with greater truths and it is a much quicker High-way than the bible because the BOM contain more truth in their purity. PEace be unto you bert10

Tubaloth to answer your question....there are two types of Love... Unconditional Love and Conditional Love. God called Conditional Love....darkness. Yes Satan can love if he so desires..his love will the counterfeit of the real thing. Satan does not possess anymore..."Unconditional Love." Satan is a being of darkness and his nature can only be of the darkness. You can see this in the real world and it is the reason why divorces is so high. So all marriages that are based on "Conditional Love" will result sooner or later into a living hell on the earth and so are doomed by the very nature of its foundation is Conditional Love...and divorce will come. Peace be unto you bert10

Snow the forces of destruction are created by broken spiritual laws. In order words we bring the wraths on our head. The Forces of Wrath are created by broken spiritual laws. And God does control to some extant judgment...but Justice in the end will have its way. The Heavenly laws that control the forces that bring blessings or destruction are given to all men. The Wraths comes and act individually for individual sins and they act in concert when the group [bundle] is condemned of a particular sin or sins. So we end up being punished individually and nationally because of forces we have engendered. We bring those things on our own heads. It is perfect justice. The law of harvest is .... <>. Sow the wind and reap the whirlwing. <>. Where much is given much is required. <>. He that knew the will of God and did not do shall receive many stripes. <>. He that knew not the will of God and did things worthy of many stripes shall receive few stripes. That is why God said to do to others what you would like them to do to you. For anger, ill will, hates of all kinds and other lusts and vices are all forces dealing with darkness and destructions...which we invoke and sends out...by our thoughts, words and actions. And you can be sure that they are returned on our heads a hundred fold. Peace be unto you bert10

Because of wickedness we have had floods and we shall continue to have more and even greater. The reason is that men now call Good what is evi. The Flood in the days of Noah was total and it was the earth first cleansing by water. Or if you will will it was the earth Baptism by water. No matter how wicked men become the Lord will not use the flood to cleanse the entire earth. There will be floods that will be great but never like in the days of Noah. We have the promises of God that there shall never such a flood again. However, please note...that God said nothing about fire at that time The next cleansing of the earth is by fire.The earth shall be baptized by fire. I tell you the truth...the Holy City that is in heaven cannot come down until the earth has had it baptism of water and fire. The millennium will begin just after this baptism. Until the wicked and those who oppose the kingdom of God on the earth are removed...the Lord cannot establish His Kingdom...for the kingdom of God shall not be established by Force. And Love, humbleness, and meekness, mercy, heavenly peace etc cannot flourish generally in men's heart until those who oppose those things either by wickedness or being deceived by Satan the effects on the kingdom are the same...they shall be removed. When men are able to externalize the kingdom that is within them, without opposition, then shall the kingdom of God be on the earth. PEace be unto you bert10

The gifts of the Spirit of God....are for the edification of all of us. He who would hide his gift will lose it and be condemned for it. Miracles workers can perform miracles for a church member...and healers can heal anyone and prophets can prophesy freely. Anciently prophets that were sent to the church of God were often not of the church. If one is led by the Spirit then one is not under the law [Galatians]. I do not mean one can go to the Church leaders and say to them to straighten up. If one is not given that mission one does not do it. That is not what the gifts are for. They are there to help us. There is a fine line from asserting Spiritual authority over someone than from revealing a message. I feel the times of the one strong and mighty is not yet here. Peace be unto you bert10

Hi xforeverxmetalx You cannot find stuff on the internet because you are not looking for the right things. We are of Babylon much more than most Christians believe or even LDS. For example the use of money and interest rates is of Satan. Another example...The Calendar with its months and days of the week are named after False Gods or even after demons. Like for example Thor's day...Thursday, June ....Juno, etc. Many have on their lips the names of these demons more often that the Lord's Name in prayer. And so on. We live in Babylon and we are entangled and bound up by Babylon in so many ways that people have not yet fully realized. And this society and its rules and government cannot stand. It is corrupt and becoming more corrupted. It fights God and His Kingdom and the people whom He sends. Therefore, It must be destroyed in order the people become free from her. There are more example how Babylon have crept in to rule or regulate every facet of our life. Peace be unto you bert10