PapilioMemnon Posted June 20, 2008 Report Posted June 20, 2008 "True doctrine, understood, changes attitudes and behavior. The studyof the doctrines of the gospel will improve behavior quicker than a studyof behavior will improve behavior."(Boyd K. Packer, "Do Not Fear," Ensign, May 2004, 79)There is power in the word of God; there is power in reading the scriptures. Any behavior, attitude, or inclination, can be changed if the person reading will be humble enough to try! Quote
Traveler Posted June 20, 2008 Report Posted June 20, 2008 "True doctrine, understood, changes attitudes and behavior. The studyof the doctrines of the gospel will improve behavior quicker than a studyof behavior will improve behavior."(Boyd K. Packer, "Do Not Fear," Ensign, May 2004, 79)There is power in the word of God; there is power in reading the scriptures. Any behavior, attitude, or inclination, can be changed if the person reading will be humble enough to try! I would add that this is not as deep or hard as it may seem - the very definition of intelligence is the ability to learn by experience which implies that a intelligent being can change both attitude and behavior by learning.If a person cannot change their attitude or behavior it is because they lack the intelligence to do so. The argument that G-d made me this way is resistant to the very intelligence that G-d gave man. It is a denial that G-d gave the person in denial the power of intelligent reason.The Traveler Quote
Misshalfway Posted June 21, 2008 Report Posted June 21, 2008 Maybe this is what the notion of being filled with light is all about. The more light we obtain thru obedience, the more darkness is chased from inside of us. And just a note too - So grateful for line upon line and the grace of God to allow us mistakes and fumbles! Sometimes we just don't have all the refinement we perhaps need for a situation. Thank goodness we are not expected to accomplish it all in our childhoods. :) Quote
PapilioMemnon Posted June 21, 2008 Author Report Posted June 21, 2008 I love how section 93 of D&C talks about truth and intelligence (24-39). By keeping the commandments, we qualify to receive light, line upon line,... and it's through disobedience (misuse of our agency), light & truth is taken from us... Quote
abqfriend Posted June 21, 2008 Report Posted June 21, 2008 A person can change an attitude or behavior-but sometimes that person needs the help of others. Addictions are powerful things. Addiction to alcohol, pornography and drugs to name three. Sometimes a person will require the help of others including those in the medical community or mental health profession to help that person overcome an addiction.The loving help of a faith community such as a church can be a positive force in helping that person overcome an attitude or behavior. Members and the leadership of a given faith community can help another member overcome a behavior or addiction. Ultimately-we may believe that such help is from God-but God is working within that faith community and with the medical or mental health professionals in bringing about a change of behavior or attitude of the person. I would add that this is not as deep or hard as it may seem - the very definition of intelligence is the ability to learn by experience which implies that a intelligent being can change both attitude and behavior by learning.If a person cannot change their attitude or behavior it is because they lack the intelligence to do so. The argument that G-d made me this way is resistant to the very intelligence that G-d gave man. It is a denial that G-d gave the person in denial the power of intelligent reason.The Traveler Quote
PapilioMemnon Posted June 22, 2008 Author Report Posted June 22, 2008 abqfriend, I agree with much of what you said, and would like to add some food for thought:Alma 7: 12 12 And he will take upon him death, that he may loose the bands of death which bind his people; and he will take upon him their infirmities, that his bowels may be filled with mercy, according to the flesh, that he may know according to the flesh how to succor his people according to their infirmities. 1. Broken Things to Mend - Elder Holland - General Conf. Apr. 2006 - Broken Things to Mend2. Hope through the Atonement of Jesus Christ - Elder Neal A. Maxwell - G.C. Oct. 1998 - Hope through the Atonement of Jesus ChristThrough the enabling and strengthening power of the Atonement of Jesus Christ people can overcome or bear(To hold up; support, to withstand stress, difficulty, or attrition) ALL infirmities (A bodily ailment or weakness; a failing or defect in a person's character) they face.Anyone who's battling anything that seems too much to bear or deal with, any confusion, emotional/mental issues, self-esteem, lack of faith,... well,.... anything... I strongly recommend a careful reading of these address. They are life changing!Good nite my friends! Quote
Traveler Posted June 25, 2008 Report Posted June 25, 2008 A person can change an attitude or behavior-but sometimes that person needs the help of others. Addictions are powerful things. Addiction to alcohol, pornography and drugs to name three. Sometimes a person will require the help of others including those in the medical community or mental health profession to help that person overcome an addiction.The loving help of a faith community such as a church can be a positive force in helping that person overcome an attitude or behavior. Members and the leadership of a given faith community can help another member overcome a behavior or addiction. Ultimately-we may believe that such help is from God-but God is working within that faith community and with the medical or mental health professionals in bringing about a change of behavior or attitude of the person. Thank you for reading and respoinding to my post. I agree with you in part but I think I would disagree with you concerning one simple principle - nothing changes until you do. I agree that in difficulty for various addictions help is useful but in the end it is only help. I believe the the most successful help is that which convinces that your life will only change when you do. I personaly believe that even Christ taught this principle.The Traveler Quote
abqfriend Posted June 25, 2008 Report Posted June 25, 2008 (edited) I agree, that ultimately one has to make a change, but help from other caring persons-especially Christian persons maybe helpful. Going it alone-can be very difficult. I do not know much about the LDS Church-but I know you are a very caring community-you help each other. The LDS Church is know for being of a positive support to its members-that is one of it's stengths. Addictions can be overcome-but sometimes help is needed from others-especially the faith community to which that member belongs. Here are two links as provided by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints that may be helpful. Addiction Recovery ProgramAddiction Recovery Support GroupsThank you for reading and respoinding to my post. I agree with you in part but I think I would disagree with you concerning one simple principle - nothing changes until you do. I agree that in difficulty for various addictions help is useful but in the end it is only help. I believe the the most successful help is that which convinces that your life will only change when you do. I personaly believe that even Christ taught this principle.The Traveler Edited June 25, 2008 by abqfriend Web Site Links Quote
MrNirom Posted July 4, 2008 Report Posted July 4, 2008 Before I started my way back to the Church.. it was not because of reading the scriptures. I had already done that. What actually brought me back to the Church was prayer. I had a smoking habit. I needed it gone before I could come back. And to get rid of the smoking habit.. I had to get rid of the drinking habit. I could not drink.. and expect not to smoke. I told myself everyday for 20 years.. "Boy.. I need to quit smoking!" So on the 31st of December 2007.. I prayed that the Lord would take this desire from me. For the next 6 weeks.. I was so sick. I had no energy to even get out of bed. I had no desire for anything. I slept all day.. and nights too. I had no desire for a cigarette. By the time I felt better.. my smoking habit was gone. I never had a nicotine fit.. nothing. It is now been 6 months. Cigarette and alcohol free. All based on prayer.. that was really all because of Scripture reading when I first joined the Church. Quote
utcowboy Posted July 4, 2008 Report Posted July 4, 2008 A friend of mine gave me a book called "Why we curse", I guess he thought it would help me quit swearing all the time. But for me, it was just to much philosophical crap. I was telling my wife the other day that I was going to wrap a BoM and give it to him with a note that says something to the effect of: "This book helped me more then the book you gave to me, and I would like for you to have a copy so that you can find what I found." I haven't done it yet because I am afraid of offending him, but I feel that I should give him a copy. So I guess I'm going to have to bite the bullet and pray that he will accept it as it is given, with love and respect. Quote
MrNirom Posted July 4, 2008 Report Posted July 4, 2008 A friend of mine gave me a book called "Why we curse", I guess he thought it would help me quit swearing all the time. But for me, it was just to much philosophical crap. I was telling my wife the other day that I was going to wrap a BoM and give it to him with a note that says something to the effect of: "This book helped me more then the book you gave to me, and I would like for you to have a copy so that you can find what I found."I haven't done it yet because I am afraid of offending him, but I feel that I should give him a copy. So I guess I'm going to have to bite the bullet and pray that he will accept it as it is given, with love and respect.How long ago did he give you the book? Quote
bert10 Posted July 4, 2008 Report Posted July 4, 2008 Hi PapilloMemnon...What is described below is called repentance. The gospel of repentance is not very well taught these days.The power of Repentance is mighty it is what can hold Satan at bay while we are doing this. Anyone who is afflicted or pressed by Satan can break his hold simply by going into Repentance.BTW did you know that this is the only thing that this church so far has been commanded to preach to the gentiles?Peace be unto youbert10"True doctrine, understood, changes attitudes and behavior. The studyof the doctrines of the gospel will improve behavior quicker than a studyof behavior will improve behavior."(Boyd K. Packer, "Do Not Fear," Ensign, May 2004, 79)There is power in the word of God; there is power in reading the scriptures. Any behavior, attitude, or inclination, can be changed if the person reading will be humble enough to try! Quote
utcowboy Posted July 4, 2008 Report Posted July 4, 2008 How long ago did he give you the book?Almost 2 years ago. Just before I rejoined or became active in the church again. Quote
MorningStar Posted July 4, 2008 Report Posted July 4, 2008 People can change their attitudes and behaviors, but it's something they have to want. :) Quote
utcowboy Posted July 4, 2008 Report Posted July 4, 2008 People can change their attitudes and behaviors, but it's something they have to want. :)You are absolutely right Morningstar, the desire has to be there before anything else will be able to help. If we are just trying to change something about our selves for somebody else it will never work out they way we want it to. But if we are changing it for ourselves and ask for help then it becomes easier to over come. Quote
MorningStar Posted July 4, 2008 Report Posted July 4, 2008 My grandfather made some pretty big changes. He was very stern with his kids for many years and after his son drowned, he cried and told his kids, "I should've hugged and kissed you more." He was a lot more affectionate after that. Quote
PapilioMemnon Posted July 4, 2008 Author Report Posted July 4, 2008 Hello everyone,In order for anyone to change a behavior, it's necessary to realize that, to come to that knowledge, and yes,... desire it as MS said.Repentance is the first step, along with faith in the Lord Jesus Christ,... then, depending on what the person's battle is, getting help from every possible source is a good idea as abqfriend pointed out as well.However, we must remember the Savior's Atonment... which is the most powerful & merciful gift we can call upon to help us with our personal battles.The Savior went below ALL things for us (Things that I won't and/or have not yet experienced in my life), in order to KNOW HOW to came to our rescue!Going below all things means He took upon Himself ALL infirmities that affect mankind, and ALL sins mankind commits, without sinning Himself. Taking upon Himself means He experienced the pains, difficulties, struggles, etc. of diseases, grief, pains, etc. cased by one's bad choices or caused by other's bad choices, spiritual infirmities & diseases as well whatever they may be. Taking upon Himself, He felt those things on Him, but doesn't mean He suffered of or did any of those things Himself while He was alive.We can drawn upon the power, enabling & strengthening power of the Atonement to change something we are dealing with, that positive thinking, and many other good methods to help us be free from are not helping. He KNOWS HOW to succor (Come to our escue) us because He know what we feel, and has the power to enable & strengthen us to either deal with it like Paul, or to deliver us completely!To enable: to give a person power, to make him/her able to do something, to empowerElder Bednar's talk was one of the most detailed talk that helps us understand & make use of this wonderful and marvelous gift the Lord gave us!And it is my testimony that we all can be delivered of any behavior/attitude/circumstance/... that is harmful/bad/foul... through HIS enabling power or strengthened to bear His will on us.It's a glorious gift from our Savior, and He's intention was to help us... Let's unwrap it and make use of it!Warm regards to all of you! Quote
Misshalfway Posted July 4, 2008 Report Posted July 4, 2008 A friend of mine gave me a book called "Why we curse", I guess he thought it would help me quit swearing all the time. But for me, it was just to much philosophical crap. I was telling my wife the other day that I was going to wrap a BoM and give it to him with a note that says something to the effect of: "This book helped me more then the book you gave to me, and I would like for you to have a copy so that you can find what I found."I haven't done it yet because I am afraid of offending him, but I feel that I should give him a copy. So I guess I'm going to have to bite the bullet and pray that he will accept it as it is given, with love and respect.My father says, wth a big cheesy grin of course, "They aren't swear words! They're farm words!" (he was raised on a farm) Quote
hethathathears Posted July 6, 2008 Report Posted July 6, 2008 (edited) There is power in the word of God; there is power in reading the scriptures. Any behavior, attitude, or inclination, can be changed if the person reading will be humble enough to try![/QUOTE]If we have a bar of medal and we hook a wire to each end, and run current through it, the bar of medal becomes a magnet that attracts on one side while the other side repels things. The same is true with us. If we run spiritual current through our bodies in the form of scripture study, spiritual music, obedience, and service then we will attract spiritual things while repelling the things of the world, however, if we run the worldly current through our bodies, then we will attract worldly things while repelling spiritual things. But here is where it gets a little dicey, if we try to run the worldly current through our bodies 165 hours a week and then run the spiritual current through the other 3, then we will be polarized to attract worldly things and repel the spiritual.Bottom line, there is great power in reading the scriptures in a feasting way. Edited July 6, 2008 by hethathathears Quote
abqfriend Posted July 7, 2008 Report Posted July 7, 2008 So very true-there is Power! I find that I have to schedule myself time reading Sacred Scripture or it gets lost in my daily life of other things less important. It is like trying to live your day without your electricity hooked up. I need the direct current of reading Sacred Scripture. Indeed there is Power!There is power in the word of God; there is power in reading the scriptures. Any behavior, attitude, or inclination, can be changed if the person reading will be humble enough to try![/QUOTE]If we have a bar of medal and we hook a wire to each end, and run current through it, the bar of medal becomes a magnet that attracts on one side while the other side repels things. The same is true with us. If we run spiritual current through our bodies in the form of scripture study, spiritual music, obedience, and service then we will attract spiritual things while repelling the things of the world, however, if we run the worldly current through our bodies, then we will attract worldly things while repelling spiritual things. But here is where it gets a little dicey, if we try to run the worldly current through our bodies 165 hours a week and then run the spiritual current through the other 3, then we will be polarized to attract worldly things and repel the spiritual.Bottom line, there is great power in reading the scriptures in a feasting way. Quote
prospectmom Posted July 7, 2008 Report Posted July 7, 2008 Listen to the promptings of the spirit Ucowboy Quote
Traveler Posted July 7, 2008 Report Posted July 7, 2008 The only help that can be useful is the help that is allowed. It does not matter how much G-d or man helps if that help is not accepted. The Traveler Quote
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