LDS apostle's impromptu warning circles the globe

[Prodigal_Son]

Fiannan; well, at least you're looking on the bright side. :lol:

[MrNirom]

Maybe you just haven't been paying attention.

Nope.. I sure haven't. I left the church and was excommunicated 20 years ago. Sorry if I am repeating what everyone else takes as common knowledge. My Bad.

[Wingnut]

Hahahaha... The Mormon Rumor Mill is alive and well... Some things never change... :lol:

Yes, and isn't this about the third time this talk has been circulated on this very website in the last three weeks?

[MrNirom]

Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 11:09 AM

Subject: Re: Latest from Ranae Lee 9-8-08

Here is the full text of 2 more messages from Ranae Lee (as she wrote them complete with typos) about forthcoming earthquakes, etc in Utah the intermountain west as well as some events that will impact not only the US but the entire world.

Message posted Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:42 pm

Over the last several days, I've been feeling so much concern as things are really cranking up. Yesterday morning I was shown a lot, and then again this morning. I feel a great urgency to share these things and get the word out quickly because I feel time is very short for final preparations. Once again I stress, these things can change due to agency... but I do feel much is inevitable. I'm still not sure of the order, but I do think it can be surmised somewhat by conditions and other clues. I will relate this exactly as it was shown to me... thanks. this was from, Sept 17th, Thursday morning.

The first thing I was shown is that the economy is hanging by a thread. Russia and China are deeply involved in the U.S. economy. We are currently in a catch 22 with China and Russia. Once our economic stability is gone there is nothing left to hold them back from declaring full blown war. Part of the catch 22 is that rumors of war (as prophesied) are effecting world markets... so either way we will have an economic crash and a war. Right now they are holding off because of their interests in the U.S. Also over and over in the last few days I've seen flashes of the "Sound Of Music"... We are in the same situation.. living our normal lives as the evils around us are getting greater and greater even life threatening. We have no idea just how great the threat is right now.

Many times one of the first things I see is the earth covered in a very brownish black haze. This is the evil surrounding the earth and it is so great right now.

Cataclysms

Then I saw a map of the U.S. In Texas those effected by hurricane [ike] had empty hands.. and there was no money to help them. Montana was really angry about things and trying to break away from the U.S. this brought even more control by the government.

Then I saw California and a large earthquake to the north and a row of smaller ones along a fault line to the south. Along the Cascades there was a major drop in the earth...along a fault.. the west part dropped. Then I could see the continents shifting slightly. The Midwest was buckling and so was the strike-slip fault line off the Pacific coast. The coast was buckling under the pressure. Then again I saw Krakatau explode and the great tsunami hit the western coastline all the way from Washington state to Baja... it was so bad. So many people hit. Hopes destroyed and people dead. California was covered in water.. I do think this dissipates later.. but the damage was irreversible. People were leaving the coastline in droves, coming inland, moving to safer places. (I do not know where this event fits into things.)

Next I saw [LDS] General Conference. The brethren were really concerned. Trying to calm fears and stress Faith in the Lord! The first earthquake was not long after Conference. It was early in the morning just before it gets light. It was a 6.2 or 3. Afterwards people thought everything was going to be fine, like that was the one we've waited for. News reports made everyone have a false sense of security. Then everything was calm and people went back in to complacency. This earthquake was a warning to "Get out!" it was a merciful warning for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear, those who are awake.

It seemed as if about a week passed and then the bigger earthquake hit... 8.6 I've spoken of this extensively and will more on another post. But I did see the capital collapse on the south end. Buildings were swaying everywhere. People screaming and running. Liquefaction of the ground all over the Salt Lake valley. Hospitals collapse as well as a lot of other buildings. The spaghetti bowl [i-80 and I-15 interchange] smashes down. The large crack that runs from the North east hills of Salt lake runs down to Taylorsville, these cracks start at this point but get much bigger in the next earthquake I saw that this first "event" included several weeks of earthquakes and aftershocks.

The underground fountains also began to open up at this point. This will effect as far away as the Cascades and make them heat up...the death toll will be staggering. I did see angels guarding some homes and the temples.

Most of the money was gone and only the military could help.. I saw rioting, looting and people living in tents.

Preparedness

I was told people need to turn to God in fasting and prayer. Ramp up their food storage now.. it will be the new currency; have, alternate shelter, heat, medical supplies and meds, fuel, water, a way to wash and haul it... another source of electricity like generators, solar or crank radios.. I was told to can all the food we can right now. Priesthood should bless the homes. Get out of debt NOW!!!!! have extra food for barter. Put homes in order.. people will be sharing homes. Plan on martial law. Get birth certificates and immunizations in order and handy. Gather family close right now. Keep communications channels open with them especially after conference. Sock up fridges and freezers. This stuff will keep .. it will be cold outside.. or it can be cooked to feed a lot of people if it thaws out.. Have games and entertainment for the little ones. This will be very scary for them ...It's a good idea to have a large dog and animals if you can; but if you are in central Utah, you may not be able to take them with you due to mandatory evacuations. Get used to the old way of living... Self sustaining. Plan on no utilities for weeks even months. Pay your cell phone in advance if your provider allows it. Weapons and ammo ready. There will be few jobs and a little rebuilding, but not much.

Man-Made Plague

Next I saw the airport. It was damaged a lot from the earthquakes but it was still functioning. I saw the clear vials of a clear liquid dropped there and the beginning of a plague. people were lining up for flu shots.. (Don't do it! You'll be more susceptible.) Nothing the government did worked, except quarantine. I saw to plan for 3 months.. have food warmth, generators, surgical gloves and masks, antiviral meds. This seemed like early spring and was worldwide. There were mass quarantines; and road blockades. Very little travel, massive deaths, this effected every household. I was told to have faith. The Lord knows best! After about 3 months (around June?), people started emerging with a resistance to the virus. There were only a few scattered cases at that time. Foods were scarce. People's hands were empty. No spring planting because of the quarantine. Although some people did sneak out to plant.

Then I saw a lot of flooding in the Midwest and rain in southern Cal. Also the Northeast then a heat wave in Florida. There was some kind of problem in the Ohio area- Canada border. I do not know what this was. I did see sporadic power outages across the nation and then possible attacks on the U.S. I saw Russian subs and full out war. In the middle east it really got bad, there were jets in the sky here in the U.S.. then I saw a Nuke. "All of this was happening so much sooner than I expected." Next Russia and China were on our soil, and our military was really weak. Then I saw the 2nd earthquake, it closed a lot of roads, blocked areas, actually protecting some places. It was huge 9.3 .. then I saw the internment camps.. with gas chambers and ovens.. processing the people. The Illuminati- was smiling.. and then they put the A.c. [Anti-Christ] into power, this was a political move to dominate the world. This began the implementation of the mark of the beast. They did use project blue beam.. new technology was revealed... and used to deceive the masses and make them think Christ had returned. I was told .. Remember Matt. 24: people will say "he is here or he is there... believe it not."

Next I saw the church going through a hard time. First financial, then the earthquakes, then martial law and domination from dictatorial powers in our nation. Then we fled (Into the desert... i.e. scriptures, don't know if this means literal.) I think this is what has been termed the call out. I did not see an official call out from leadership at this point.. (In the past I have) I just saw people going into the mountains. If a call out happens at all, I think it will be spring. Many were in great fear. Communications were sporadic, but the church had a system in place. At this point I heard the music " High on a mountain top". and the words of the scriptures came in to my mind. "People will look to Zion and say Zion is terrible. But they will find safety there! The world will both fear us and respect us. I saw the priesthood increasing at this time and a lot of miracles.

Next I saw major volcano's. Muddy rain from these and the skies were dark. The Lord’s people were working together. Then I saw a Nuke hit Cal. perhaps the same one mentioned earlier. Cal was gone and just islands were left. Then I looked to the east. The east coast was gone as well.. just islands. The Midwest was under water. I saw an asteroid hit out in the ocean past where cal had been. I saw 2012 in the sky. The lords people were on foot, still in the mountains, moving from place to place. The sky was dark and then I saw fire hail falling from the sky, burning almost everything. At this point I was shown the sea and almost all of the sea life died. There were very few people left. Then I saw the Whitehouse empty as were the halls of congress. People were on their own just surviving. I was told. Know and watch for the signs of the Lords coming! Moon turning to blood, stars falling from the sky (I thought then of the fire hail) and a Temple in Jerusalem. I was told, "do not be deceived by accepting a false Christ (project blue beam) and never ever take the mark of the beast( Verichip) I was shown how this will cause sores all over people. I saw gangs and prostitution. the people were really wicked and murderous, just to survive. Stay with the Lord’s people. Don't cling to earthly securities, they will kill you. Deceptions will abound. The Lord alone will save his people!

This is as much as I can share right now and has taken me several hours to write. As you can tell, not everything is in chronological order. I shared it how I received it. But, I left out a lot of details because I have already shared a lot of it in previous posts. It can be revisited there. I will share the rest of what was given on Sept. 18th as soon as I can.... thanks Herendair

[MrNirom]

Message posted Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:27 pm

Re: More.......

Sept 18, Friday.

This A.M. I was again shown a lot of events. I wish I knew the time frame. but I did ask concerning the earthquake and I feel it will happen sometime after conference and before Thanksgiving. We've given ourselves 1 mo. from now to be completely ready.. I hope that is enough time.

I again saw the blackish brown haze covering the earth. Then I was in New York City. I saw a man get out of a taxi holding a briefcase. He looked up at a large very stark grey building. I knew it was somehow connected to the world bank. Then I saw a meeting inside this building. Several individuals were sitting at a large table and there was a lot of yelling. There was a man standing with his back to the others, looking out a window and talking on a cell phone. He was negotiating with the world bank in England. They were shifting funds to stop the worldwide meltdown of banks. He was speaking of two banks that they were very concerned about. One was here in the U.S.. and very large, the other was in the U.K. and connected to the royalty. Both banks were ready to fall and one had to be sacrificed to save the other. It was like a power tug of war.. If the royal bank were to fail it would effect the political stability in Europe. All of the European banks were scrambling. Even the royal family was concerned. Next I saw that it was decided to sacrifice the U.S. bank. I saw it looked like a large building crumbling. ( it reminded me of 911). Next I saw the Whitehouse. The president was in the oval office and got the news, then he called for a meeting of the joint chiefs of staff and a special session of congress. He had no more moves to make and was following orders. Next I saw a Penthouse apartment, right at the very top. in the background I could see the yellowish orange sunset. on the horizon. ( it was like the sun was\pard line setting on this lifestyle) Back at the meeting at the Whitehouse everyone looked down. there was nothing they could do. They had worked all day to save the economy and it was gone. Next I saw the NYSE just before the closing bell. there were some people who had connections and rumors of the bank closure was effecting everything. I saw the market drop 1200 points just before things closed. Next I saw the Presidents face he picked up the phone then he was on a news broadcast and declared a nationwide /global emergency. Fortunes were lost, and lives lost. Again I saw suicides. The president said "we will restructure." I knew this meant they wanted to put the Amero into effect. I saw our pres meeting with leaders of other nations. Especially Canada and Mexico. Mexico was big problem. It had ties to Venezuela and Chavez was putting pressure on them. Over in Cuba I saw a military build up. Russia was also increasing it's forces up by Alaska just across the bay from the U.S. Putin was laughing at us but he was very angry. Venezuela was ready to declare war. Then I saw a new world order meeting and the U.N. they were putting pressure on Mexico to get the American union put into effect. Then I saw how resources had become the new money worldwide. Everyone was scrambling to stake their claims on oil reserves. I think this is just one of the reasons Russia was gearing up near Alaska. Everyone was positioning themselves. Next I saw that the NWO [New World Order] was not getting what they wanted, Mexico was not cooperating, negotiations weren't working and the NWO began to threaten Mexico. This caused the situation to explode. Chavez made a move of some kind from Venezuela it was an attack. I saw that China was being unusually quiet. They were gearing up during all of the worldwide chaos. Things in Iran also heated up. The oil and food meant power and they were flexing their muscles. Next I saw a cascade of foreclosures and joblessness. There were very few jobs and too much debt. People were on the streets and tent cities were springing up everywhere. I saw men in suits wandering homeless. There were skeleton crews on a lot of jobs. All companies were scaling back. Even at utility companies. Then I saw power outages all across the U.S. Times were rough. Next I saw the federal reserve and Allan Greenspan. (I do not know just who he is or what he does) but he was very connected. I saw that the old structure of the federal reserve was vacant and small. They were setting up and moving everything to a really great big structure. They were putting all of the money in to this larger reserve. This was planned to put the right people in place and they were getting rid of those they didn't want. They were making fortunes as they did it. Now they had even more money than before and the world reserve was set up to fund the NWO and the anti Christ. In all of this I saw again the round up of people and the concentration camps. The NWO didn't care about China, Russia and Venezuela. They were moving forward with their plans no matter what, like a giant machine. Next I saw our military with stockpiles of food and weapons. In the streets the military began rounding people up especially the homeless and tent cities. This was the first phase of really rounding people up. The people were hungry and it was getting cold. Some were hopeful this would help them, others were scared. It looked so much like Nazi Germany. Now people began doubling up in homes so they wouldn't be rounded up. . Then I saw a flu start, this was not "the flu" but it was bad. The authorities called it an epidemic and people started lining up for the flu shots... (don’t)! There were a lot of old people and LOTS of snow. The snow was oh so bad! There were fewer jobs and Christmas time was not happy. People were just staying home and the holidays were sparse. Sales were down and in the stores canned goods were a big deal. I saw people getting food instead of presents. ( get stocked up now I saw a great demand and short supply of canned goods) Fresh fruit and vegetables were still available but they were in short supply. There wasn't much on the store shelves I saw the cause of this was partially a lot of rain in the fall in Cal. Again I was shown the tsunami and earthquakes in Cal. and lots of devastation. A lot of lives lost and sadness. ( I do not know when this will happen or where it fits in the order of things.)

Next I saw Oct. Conference. The time of warning was past. There was some talk of these problems and obeying the prophet. They spoke of how the Lords church would go on and the church was well prepared. I saw that in the background a restructure of some sort was happening. I didn't see any details. But it was like things were pulling in They seemed to be setting things up for more isolated leadership. I had read a talk of Pres Packer’s and he spoke of changes in the fall, I wondered if this was what he was referring to? I saw more leaders staying in their own countries and less travel. Some sort of decision was made at this time that was really big and I think it had to do with the missionaries. I was reminded that they have already moved some for political reasons and this would increase. I saw the elders coming home because of the tensions worldwide. This started gradually at first then it increased. Next I saw the canneries, they were busy with the harvest. Getting a lot done but people were buying it as fast as they could and the shelves were empty. The council on being prepared had not been heeded by the majority, now they were in a panic. Some still saw no reason to do anything. I saw a lot of people going to their bishops for help and there just wasn't enough... next I saw the Church’s grain silo. I watched the grain slowly go down till only one kernel was left. They had sold a lot of it but still had some. They couldn't be expected to feed the entire church and the demand was great. Again I saw conference, there was a lot of security. People were encouraged to watch from home. There were a lot of concerns among the people. Then once conference was over there was an uneasiness in the air. It was quiet then I saw a big bump under the earth. Then the first small earthquake started, it was a small shaking at first.6.2 I think. This was a warning for people to leave at that point. Some did. Then it was shy of about a week that passed. I watched underground as this earlier earthquake caused a fault to begin moving and slipping. Then the west side of the fault bumped and dropped. It was mass panic as the bigger earthquake began. ( I've shared a lot of this before, so some may be familiar) It was like I was standing in a mall the lights over head were swaying, people were hiding under the counters and the walls began to crumble, then I saw a large metal ceiling beam fall. This earthquake was lasting too long. I kept on thinking 3 minutes. But I asked and was told more like 1. It seemed like forever. It was at least and 8.6 Buildings were crumbling everywhere. There were great big cracks in the ground. Small and large I saw the great salt lake sloshing from side to side. In the 2nd earthquake it is like a wall of geysers. It all began in the early morning, it was nippy outside and people had on jackets . There were so many dead and injured. Then it was like I was up in the sky looking down at the damage. All of the foothills had liquefied some of the valley was like Jell-O. A lot of the hospitals were half collapsed almost all of the roads were jagged and broken up there were fires from broken gas mains and water spewing and leaking everywhere. Most of the homes were either flattened or were damaged. In the older parts of town things were really bad all of the old buildings had crumbled and were just rubble. I again saw the glass building up near main shatter and come down. I saw the church office swaying and that afterwards it had to be evacuated due to some damage, it was unsafe. The capitol collapsed on the south end. I watched the spaghetti bowl just fall to pieces and up towards Parleys canyon the overpasses on the freeway had crumbled. A great Crack divided all of Salt lake in half it ran form the Northeast mountains all the way down in to Taylorsville with a lot of smaller cracks coming from that. North in Bountiful the large homes on the hill were really damaged bad. At the airport I saw the parking garage pancake down on top of itself. The airport was also damaged in places but it still was working. Next I saw people wandering the streets in a daze. There were a lot of gangs and looting. People were hiding and in shock. There were sirens and helicopters everywhere. News people were everywhere. The nation was watching closely. This thing was so big it effected. Utah, Nevada, Idaho, Arizona, California, and Wyoming. I did not see much in Colorado. It seemed like the southeast part of Utah was less effected. Next I saw how this event opened up the Cascade range fissures. Things shifted enough to cause the volcano's to heat up. Rainier, St Helens, Hood and Mammoth Lake etc....this did effect Oregon and Washington, but I did not see if it effected Montana. It seemed to be o.k. there were so many people dead. Now the military came in. I saw a truck with a canvas top full of soldiers. It was on one of the streets in SL they jumped out with guns in hand. They were making everyone leave in mandatory evacuations. They began putting people in relocation centers. ( the camps) it was planned. (get out on your own before that happens, when you see the smaller earthquake it is a warning. Never ever ever go to those relocation centers, they become concentration camps later on!) next I saw Long lines of cars on Redwood road. There was less damage there and it was one of the routes out of town. Eagle mountain and Saratoga springs were somewhat damaged but Lehi was the first place people started going to. They were inundated with people getting out of the SL valley. I saw that over on west Mountain in Utah County steam vents had opened up on the northwest side of the mountain, it is volcanic. In Utah co. all of the foothills had liquefied as well, and there was almost as much damage as in SL. There was a big crack near the river in American Fork. This ran all the way up into Pleasant Grove. At the point of the mountain the homes on the north side were all destroyed. They were built on sand and just came sliding down like matchsticks. The tower at thanksgiving point also fell. All of the roads were really broken up. Next I saw Rice stadium, whole sections of bleachers had fallen due to the ground falling away beneath. Then I saw Royal stadium it was half gone. Next I Saw BYU football stadium it had some damage but seemed to be intact. The other buildings on campus were not so lucky. All of the older ones came down. I saw an older dorm was also half gone. But there weren't many students there. I had the feeling they were gone for the weekend or it was a holiday. Maybe they were all in class? The old Provo Tabernacle was damaged and crumbled on the north wall. I saw the glass in the NeWays building really crash down. killing people. The roads in Provo were so jagged and broken up. Again fires and a lot of water spraying from broken pipes. Rock canyon had a lot of damage as well. I did see that Deer Creek and Jordonelle were damaged but I don't think they go completely until the 2nd earthquake? just not sure? I saw ambulances trying to get around in Provo and it was really hard. The streets were so broken up. The hospital garage had collapsed and they were treating people out in the open parking lots and on the grass. I saw that there were a lot of helicopters and so me of the hospital was damaged. Then I saw the old Ironton hill between Provo and Springville. Most of it was gone, due to liquefaction of the ground beneath. The old Clyde building in Springville had crumbled and any buildings with a lot of glass just kind of exploded. The freeway to the west was flooded near Provo and there were a lot of power lines down on it. It was really dangerous. Past the north Springville exit to the south, there were cars lined up everywhere on the freeway trying to get out and go south. There was a major fault line to the east of Springville and the High School was mostly gone because it was built on it. Only the west portion of the building was standing. All of the houses on the hills were in bad shape. There was a lot of water in the streets and big cracks. I saw that near the old creek that goes though town there was a lot of damage. Homes had fallen in and lots of large cracks were near those areas. The creek was dry though, and that was good. The old buildings on main were in piles. Only one or two walls were intact Some streets in Springville were usable to the south. Next I saw Spanish fork, I watched as a gas station exploded there on one of the main roads. I saw that south of Spanish Fork the damage got less as you went south. But it was still at least a 7 pointer there. there was still a lot of damage and people killed. I did see that the priesthood had protected some of the buildings that had been blessed and dedicated. Communications were down, cell phone lines were clogged. It was expressed to me that those in the quake should call a family member in another state to tell of their condition and then that family member could notify others of how things are. This would free up the lines. I saw that Logan was effected in about the same way as Utah county. About a 7.-- there. It was a 6 pointer in areas south. I saw people evacuated to Price, Sanpete and Delta areas. I did not see them going north, it seemed like the damage was greater there. Next I saw them calling for people to open their homes and work together. Other nations began offering help. The world was watching. There were a lot of government, military vehicles around and they brought supplies. There were so many dead. I saw cars lined up on freeways and people dying in them. If you get caught in this traffic turn off your car. Save your gas. and save the battery. Have a crank radio with to listen to or have one person call tell me or another info line with their cell. Then report to the others in line...so it doesn't clog the cell lines. Everyone was trying to help the evacuations. Anyone with medical training was put to work. This earthquake began opening up the underground waters, but more came later in the 2nd earthquake there is a major underground river under the mountains and the damage of this quake effected it. I was told that reports would say this was the costliest earthquake in lives and property in U.S. history even worse than the San Francisco quake. Most everything was damaged. So much death and suffering. I saw a little rebuilding, but with the economic situation there was not a lot of insurance to cover things. I was told to remember.. food and supplies will be the new money. Get out medical supplies now and have them in a place that they can be easily reached. Secure shelves and heavy objects. If they live in central Utah they might want to put their food storage above ground if possible or it will be under their house. Do what you can. I saw that 4 wheelers were really valuable and could get around on the broken roads. I was told to have two spares in your vehicle. and keep fix a flat with you. People will need a lot of leather gloves to pull people out and have tarps to cover damaged parts of homes to keep the rain off etc. Have evacuation kits ready and Lots of blankets and coats, it will be cold!!!!! portable heaters will work for some, but be careful of open flames there will be a lot of broken gas lines gas and propane follow the ground and it can explode from the vapors even if you don't think it is close by....Get bottled water now and keep with you in cars etc... have the car packed with first aid kits and ready to go at a moments notice. Learn how to shut off gas lines. Make large bandages now, the kind made of old sheets for slings etc.. if you have old crutches get them out and have them ready. You will need to have gas tanks filled and extra for generators. Have a meeting place planned for family before hand and do earthquake drills with the little ones. Get out of the areas as soon as you can and on your own. There will be mandatory evacuations... and the military will make you leave. don't ever go to those relocation centers. The ones that I saw were Camp Williams, Hill, micron. any large buildings. This was a national emergency and martial law will be in effect. The military will be the main help that comes. Sell anything you have that is useless, and use it to prepare now. Buy food. Prepare a safe place now. If you have a trailer or camper you may want to get it somewhere now, but the mountains will be cold and the snow will be bad later on. The damage did seem to be less in other states.

Most of all remember to turn to the Lord. HE IS IN CHARGE! I know that all of what I have shared is hard. I have spent the last two days and nights really struggling with this. I feel it all as I see these things. I just want people to be prepared. There is so little time left. Please pray about these things. Then prepare. I do know that the Lord will bless those who have been obedient. WE need to trust HIM and Know that what ever happens we are in His hands! May the Lord bless you... Herendair

[Starfish]

IF IT'S NOT IN LDS.ORG, DISREGARD IT.

If the brethren intend to be quoted, they will say it in General Conference.

[MaidservantX]

Just as a foil to all this -- I heard Pres. Packer speak today in a broadcasted stake conference, and he said to not fear and to teach our children not to fear. He said to have faith which is the opposite of fear. So let's circulate that one, hey?

I can predict a catastrophe. There, I just did. Who wants to lay odds it'll happen? I've told my kids over and over, time may come we'll have to cook fresh rabbit over a campfire in the front yard, but we'll still have each other. My son took his ear buds out and said, "Didja say somethin, Ma??" Ha ha ha. Which is the catastrophe . . . ear buds, My Space, gangs, and You Tube (et cetera) OR campfire cooking . . . hmmmmmm . . . How about all the refugees (including many, many children) in the DRC (Africa) in the last week -- refugee camps swelled by about 4 times as fighting in that intensified . . . and this is the fourth move to another refugee camp for many of these people in the months (years) of fighting . . . could this be the catastrophe that Pres. Packer is speaking of?? . . .

I'm just saying.

[john doe]

Mr. Nirom,

Where did you come up with that? Who is this person who wrote that?

[MrNirom]

[some time in late winter / early spring 2001]

This past Sunday evening in our Patriot Saints gathering we were treated to be able to hear Joseph...'s account of the visions she has had regarding this Sanpete Valley.

To get the full effect, you would really want to hear her tell it to you herself. She has quite the spunky personality and a way of saying things that is at once humorous and profound.

The story really begins a couple of dozen years ago when her spiritual journey began in earnest. She had come out of a very abusive marriage to one of the top dudes in the state of Michigan. As things became very difficult for her, one night she let it all out in a fit of rage against God. She knew there had to be truth on earth and she wanted to find it. "Where is it?" she demanded of him, swearing. As she was in the depths of her pleading, she was suddenly filled with a peace that ran through her whole body, comforting her that everything would be okay.

The next morning, very early, a couple of sister missionaries from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints knocked on her door. They had been on the way to a meeting and one of the sisters felt impressed to stop and go to her door, to the protest of her companion. Joseph... opened the door, saying "tell me what you know and what I need to do."

In the mission their they called her the golden of the golden contacts.

She became a vibrant member of the local ward there, enjoying the fellowship of the saints but yearning for Zion where people "really" live the gospel and where the gifts of the spirit are manifest abundantly, not just on rare occasions.

It was then (about twenty years ago) that one day she was told by the Lord that she was to move to "Manti." She had never heard of Manti and didn't know where it was -- maybe in Hawaii.

Not only was she directed in how to get here, the Lord being her compass, but she was enabled to drive alone, something that medically she shouldn't have been able to do.

She was so excited when she found out that Manti was in the heart of Utah, where there are so many fellow members of the faith. She thought that now she was finally going to be able to live amongst a Zion people. Little did she realize at the time what a rude awakening awaited her as the members and leaders shunned and scorned and ridiculed her and tried to drive her out of town.

In the first Sacrament meeting she attended here, a fast and testimony meeting, she got up and shared with the members the "prophecy" she had been given regarding the destiny of this valley.

In her innocent zeal she shared with them that she was a forerunner in helping to prepare for the calamities that will be coming down, when this valley will become a place of refuge for many, many thousands. She said that there would later be a "medium sized group" of people that would move into the town in preparation for the calamities to come. Then would come the final influx of people seeking refuge once the calamities had hit. These would come with just what they could carry under their arms.

She saw tents strewn from one end of the valley to the other. Another gentleman in our little gathering here Sunday, who lives down near Richfield, said he was given a daylight vision. Looking out the window of his house he saw more homes, but tents were the primary feature, stretching North as far as he could see.

Joseph... commented several times while sharing various things with us, how nice it was to finally be finding her "brothers [and sisters]."

It is just this sort of sharing and bolstering one another in our faith that spurs me on to know that like-minded people need to meet together often.

Continuing with the account of the "prophecy" she had been given, Joseph... said that this valley was "one of the most strategic places on earth for the preservation of the Lord's people." She was shown in vision that the canyon entrances to the valley would be blown shut, creating a sort of protective "wall" to keep the enemy out, while still allowing entrance to the upright in heart. She was shown that there would be men of sufficient righteous discernment that would stand as sentinels at the places of entrance. She was also shown that there would be a cloud-like protection surrounding the valley, like the children of Israel had, which would bar the enemies and their destroying elements from entering the valley.

We have another friend who has been shown very similar visions for this valley. These are written up under the title "Chris' vision"

I'll give you Chris' vision next.

[MrNirom]

Chris' Vision

I was with a friend the other day who I will call Chris, to protect her true identity. She was given and extensive vision of the future last Sunday Morning (Oct. 31, '99, Halloween -- a fitting irony).

She shared the following after asking me for a summary of Gayle Smith's visions, which she said matched what she had seen, complete with economic collapse, powerful earthquakes along the Wasatch Front, Martial Law, occupying troops, the mark of the beast, persecution of the Saints. Her vision confirmed and went beyond what Gayle has shared.

When Chris is given such visions, the Lord comes to her in the Spirit and takes her by the hand to stand by a window, through which she is then shown the vision.

She began her account by telling of being taken to the entrance of Salt Creek Canyon, just East of Nephi, Utah (which canyon when ascended opens into Sanpete Valley, beginning with Fountain Green, Manti and Sterling being on the other end of the valley). She then was witness to a powerful earthquake in which she saw huge boulders flying off the mountain as well as new rock structures come jutting out. The mouth of the canyon was completely blocked by the debris. If I recall correctly, this was the second November earthquake of which Gayle spoke, which follows the economic collapse. Chris saw that this was when her own family removed to a retreat they had planned before hand.

She was shown Sanpete Valley completely filled with tents as if it were a city of tents. Most had an army canopy look, but there were other shades and varieties of tents interspersed. This was a gathering of patriotic saints who were opposed to the socialist New World Order.

On the other side of the mountain to the West (along Interstate 15 corridor) was the enemy, which at this time happened to consist of the U.S. military. She saw that in the tent cities in Sanpete valley were many widows because their husbands had been killed for refusing to serve in the military which at this point had become an enemy of freedom.

She was shown the utter breakdown of order and civility in Salt Lake City. It was an extremely wicked and dangerous place to be. She saw blood flowing in the streets. There was a crack in the ground from the earthquake which went through temple square. She saw a crack on one of the walls of the temple, which was the extent of the damage she could detect there.

At first there was an armed contingent of men surrounding the temple to protect it. But later she saw them replaced by an angelic army.

The mall to the South of the temple was completely overrun by a gang-like element. She saw people living in the parking garage to the West, with camp fires interspersed. The Delta Center and Convention Center were reduced by rubble by fire and earthquake.

She was shown this bright red flash that came out of the sky. When I asked where she was when she saw this, or where it happened, she couldn't recall a particular location but rather seemed to have the impression that the location was more like "everywhere," as though there would be many places that would see this phenomenon. She did not say whether or not this was a nuclear blast.

She was shown that the U.S. would enter into an alliance with Russian and China allowing their troops to come here to help enforce the New World Order. That was when the mark of the beast was instigated in which a person would be killed if they did not take it. She was shown that those who voluntarily took the mark had it in their right hand, while those who resisted had it placed in their forehead as a token of their recalcitrance for all to see and be alert so as to keep them in order.

This tyranny lasted for three and a half years.

At some point, whether in the initial earthquake or in subsequent ones, Chris saw the West coast of California drop into the sea.

She saw pockets of small communities of resistance in various places around the West where people had prepared beforehand and were equipped to survive in a communal order on their own.

She was shown Missouri and saw that it was nearly completely desolate, though she did see a few people there.

She saw the march of Saints to the New Jerusalem that would now be headquartered there. She saw way stations along the trek to administer to the saints as they made their way to the New Jerusalem. She saw the gathering of righteous people from all over the world to that place of safety.

She saw the two prophets spoken of in Revelation 11 preaching in the streets of Jerusalem during the tribulations over there. She saw them overcome for three days and then raised again. To her, it looked like they had been killed, and this is how she described it with certainty. She saw the cleansing of Jerusalem.

She saw the land masses come back together into one huge continent. She saw the heavens roll back, and she said it was like a scroll. She saw the innumerable angelic hosts surrounding Jesus Christ in his full glory as he appeared. She saw the city of Enoch come down from the sky to meet the city of the New Jerusalem that had been build here.

Following her vision, Chris was filled with a sense of deep sorrow. A friend of hers who is similarly spiritual minded and who has also had visions of the future was experiencing the same thing. As they inquired of the Lord, they were told that they had beheld the destruction of their people, even as Moroni had of his, and that some of the most horrid details had been withheld from memory following the vision per their request during the vision. Nevertheless, emotionally they were still dealing with the trauma.

As Chris shared these things, I paid close attention so as to be able to share with you my friends what she was telling those of us present at the time. I asked her if it would be permissible for me to share with others what she had been shown. She said that she was shown these things to help her prepare herself and her children for the special mission they were to perform in all of this, and that she was not supposed to stand as a public witness, for the attention it would draw would be counterproductive to the missing they were to perform. However, she did say I could write up those things that were of a general nature (which was the case with everything she told us) and share them without identifying my source, passing them by her first.

I hope that my own beliefs about the timeline of the future have not unduly altered my recollection and interpretation of what she shared, for as she spoke, I placed her account into the paradigm I have developed, as it seemed a very close fit.

[MrNirom]

Gayle's vision:

October 9, 1998

THE FOLLOWING IS ACCORDING TO MY NOTES AND RECOLLECTIONS. THIS ACCOUNT WAS READ AND VERIFIED IN A PHONE CALL TO GAYLE, Oct. 9, 1998

Gayle Smith, who had a near death experience in 1969, claims (with bold, consistent testimony and great suffering as a result) to have been shown many visions pertaining to what is coming. For several years now, especially in the past three or four years, she has been told to share what she has been shown.

She has seen in graphic vision four major earthquakes for Wasatch Front, Utah. The first would be a large one, doing quite a bit of damage. It would be so large that people will think, "This is the big one the scientists have been warning about;" yet it would be a baby compared the three others. This first quake would follow "ten days after the economic collapse," which would happen in October, "shortly after" her mother-in-law died (whatever the Lord means by "shortly," Gayle commented). She wasn't told the year, just the month. She was also told it would come in a time of many rumors of economic turmoil. She was shown that there would be moves to impeach President Clinton.

The second earthquake, far more devastating, would come fifteen days after the first quake. In this one, no one would not have a personal loss of a loved one. Major structural damage would be incurred.

At some point early on in this chaos, martial law would imposed and severe restrictions on freedom incurred. Freeways and accesses to and from cities would be blocked to confine people to cities for easier control; and communications would be severed for the same reason. Also along the way, the government (which has rejected the foundations of freedom on which this nation was built) confiscates food, guns & ammunition from the people. It then distributes the food, but will require a person take in their right hand or in the forehead a smart-card-like computer chip implant coded with vital information to that person. Gayle was shown that it will contain an 18-digit number [18 is 6 + 6 + 6] beginning with 666, for the world code; 110 for the U.S., for example; 801 for the Wasatch Area code; and ending with the 9-digit social security number. Gayle saw that many religious leaders would assent to this plan under the dire circumstances and would encourage their flocks accordingly. She also saw that eventually the implementation of this mark would be mandatory, with the penalty for not taking it being death, thus fulfilling Revelations 13:16.

The scriptures state clearly the severe spiritual and temporal penalty for those who knowingly take the mark. In taking the mark, they align themselves with Satan both in this world temporally and in the eternities spiritually; and they will burn with great torment, both temporally and spiritually. (See Revelation 14:9-13 below.) Those leaders who promote this, having known Christ intimately, become perdition. (D&C 76:28-38)

Those who do not take this mark will be beheaded (Gayle saw guillotines), so the righteous will be forced underground and into the literal wilderness. Those who are betrayed or discovered will rather lay down their life than take this mark. "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." (Rev. 14:12.)

Also, foreign troops come in as part of the occupation and martial law forces, as well as being a part of the global struggle for hegemony in this chaos. Gayle saw a nuclear bomb detonated near Salt Lake City.

Pestilence from germ and chemical weaponry, brutality, mob rule, gangs, rape, torture, cannibalism of live victims, and other such brute beast behavior will be rampant. Gayle said seeing and anticipating the horrible deeds done by these people turned sub-human is far more frightening to her than seeing the natural calamities she has seen and believes will come.

There will be many months of abject suffering, after which time of chastening purging, the power of God will begin to be manifest in delivering people from their oppression.

The third and fourth quakes will be welcomed by the righteous as these greatly facilitate their deliverance from the oppression which will have come. The third quake, specifically a cleansing one, is so huge that it sets off massive cataclysmic events: (not just in Utah but in surrounding areas, actually setting off a worldwide chain reaction) volcanoes, lava flows, torrents of water from underground aquifers shooting 400 feet high for miles long from chasms in the earth (mixed with flames of fire, perhaps from underground gas deposits being released as well), burying the Wasatch Front completely under water. "Upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord." (D&C 112:25.) Those who will not have hearkened to the warnings will be washed away. In the words of Isaiah to the Drunkards of Ephraim in the head of the fat valleys [e.g. Wasatch Front Utah], "Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand. The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim, shall be trodden under feet." (Isa. 28:2,3.)

The fourth quake will be felt world-wide simultaneously. Gayle said that her guess at this point is that this could be when the comet she has seen hits the earth, preceded by the tail which brings a shower of fiery hail. That earthquake will have the effect of draining the water from the baptized (by fire and water) valley. It then becomes a safe haven, to which many even worldwide will gather to the standard of freedom and righteousness that will be set up. This valley then becomes a sea of tents to prepare the saints of God for their journey to the New Jerusalem.

"And the serpent casteth out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away in the flood. And the earth helpeth the woman, and the earth openeth her mouth, and swalloweth up the flood which the dragon casteth out of his mouth." (Rev. 12:15,16)

EPILOGUE -- THAT WE MIGHT REPENT

In calling Gayle and confirming this account with her, she also mentioned a massive wind that would take place in which she saw boulders the size of houses flying through the air, in conjunction with the earth reversing poles. ["And the earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard" (Isa. 24:20; D&C 45:48; 49:23; 88:87).] We agreed that this would probably happen much later, as a symbol of Satan's reign on this earth coming to an end, and his work being turned up-side-down (or God turning things right-side-up), ushering in a new heaven and a new earth.

Wouldn't it be great if Gayle were wrong about these pending disasters? She has said as much herself, but she cannot deny that these things were given her of the Lord. I personally see them as being consistent with what I have found prophesied in scripture. Furthermore, there are many other individuals who have been given similar visions and who have been similarly pressed upon by the Lord to share what they have seen.

As Gayle and I wrapped up our conversation, we discussed the possibility that massive prayer and repentance could turn these things away, at least stalling them off. We reminisced about two years ago when so many of us thought this was going to happen then, in October of 1996. Another of the signs Gayle had been given was that her mother-in-law's arm would go black before she died. And two years ago, perhaps because of a bleed from a blood test, her arm became completely black.

Some would argue that saying something was postponed is a lame excuse for a prediction not coming to pass. I don't believe so. The story of Jonah and Nineveh illustrates that principle well. Regarding this possibility of these thing being turned away again, Gayle said to me, "If we are doing what [God] wants us to do, listening to his Spirit, he will grant us whatever we ask for." "But," she added, "it also give Satan more time to do his work," so we have to turn it over to the Lord that his will be done. I added that if the Lord saw fit to grant us more time yet again, that he would therefore expect of us to make good use of that time in repenting and helping to turn things around, otherwise when the destructions do come they will be all the more severe.

There sure are a lot of things lined up now, like never before. The world financial markets are a mess, many having gone past the brink into catastrophe, and are bringing others down with them like dominoes. There are not many tricks left to stave off the viscous blow of an inevitable meltdown of Babylon -- except massive repentance. I vote we repent -- not to save Babylon, but to save as many as possible out of Babylon.

Edited November 3, 2008 by MrNirom

[ztodd]

Mr Nirom, I wish you would answer JohnDoe's question and stop spamming.

[ztodd]

I think it is wrong to keep blaming the members for spreading the particulars of a talk given by a general authority in an impromptu setting. It is not their fault the speaker chose to make incinderay comments in what he should have known is an inappropriate setting.

Surely Elder Packer had to have suspected his frightening words of an impending catastrophe would have a strong impact on the members.

And of course the members are going to talk about it, including to other members of the Church. After all, it was Elder PACKER who said it. And after all, he was literally talking about a "catastrophe." Who is not going to talk about that?

I think Elder Packer is the one at blame here. Obviously his comments were going to create a stir, and for him to think the members would keep it among themselves is not realistic.

I also think it is a stretch to conclude a member just happened to have the tools necessary to transcribe Elder Packer's talk, unless he/she knew about it beforehand. Unless the person knew shorthand, or some other speed writing tool, it is impossible to write his words down verbatim. The exception would be if a member recorded the talk, but that indicates foreknowledge of Elder Packer's talk.

I am not saying the counsel to not spread the talk around is wrong, but I do think members should not be blamed when it happens. I think Elder Packer is the one at fault in this particular incident.

Elphaba

There's enough blame to go around.

I always have my palm pilot on me that can record audio- I probably would've recorded his whole talk if I was there. I might have typed it up after that too. I can't say for sure that I wouldn't have shared it with someone unwisely after that. I hope I wouldn't have.

I'm sure Elder Packard must have been speaking by the Spirit, but I know we can't trust that we have the exact words- and like someone already said, even if they are the exact words, we can't take them as binding and authoritative for the whole church.

[Elphaba]

I always have my palm pilot on me that can record audio- I probably would've recorded his whole talk if I was there. I might have typed it up after that too.

That makes sense. It is a good explanation of how the entire talk could have been transcribed.

I can't say for sure that I wouldn't have shared it with someone unwisely after that. I hope I wouldn't have.

Which is exactly my point. I believe you that you would have thought better of it. However I do not believe every members knows to do this; in fact I don't doubt some of them thought telling others about President Packer's speech was the right thing to do.

I'm sure Elder Packard must have been speaking by the Spirit, but I know we can't trust that we have the exact words- and like someone already said, even if they are the exact words, we can't take them as binding and authoritative for the whole church.

You're talking about official policy.

I'm talking about human beings, flawed as they are, who are obviously going to talk about what Elder Packer said (if he did actually say it). To expect them to not make a big deal out of it, and for all of them to keep it to themselves so falsehoods don't get spread, is just not realistic.

In fact, my very-LDS family would have listened to the talk and then unequivocally used it is proof of the end times. They eat this stuff up.

Elphaba

[Wingnut]

In fact, my very-LDS family would have listened to the talk and then unequivocally used it is proof of the end times. They eat this stuff up.

That's part of what I think is silly about this, not to mention annoying (in the spam-like nature of the thing). We already know that we're in the last days. Okay, maybe not the "end of days" but getting darn close to it. Why do we need a sacrament meeting talk that may or may not have happened (and certainly wasn't intended for the Church as a whole) to tell us that? Haven't we been told for years that we need to get out of debt (and stay out of it), get our education, have food storage, grow a garden, teach our children correct principles, stand in holy places, and anything else that might help us prepare for a "catastrophe?" What's the big deal about this talk?

[ztodd]

I don't know if the article quoted his exact words or not, but if so, I can understand how I might have thought it was kind of a big deal- more urgent.

[Starfish]

If our Prophet wants us to start doing something, he should start an email rumor. We'd probably react more to that than we do to a talk in Conference. Sheesh.

[MrNirom]

If our Prophet wants us to start doing something, he should start an email rumor. We'd probably react more to that than we do to a talk in Conference. Sheesh.

That is the SAD TRUTH!

[Hemidakota]

I read the supposed transctript. It contains no new information or counsel that we haven't been given for the last 50 years. Or more.

Exactly!

[Old Tex]

Message posted Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:27 pm

Re: More.......

Sept 18, Friday.

This A.M. I was again shown a lot of events. I wish I knew the time frame. but I did ask concerning the earthquake and I feel it will happen sometime after conference and before Thanksgiving. We've given ourselves 1 mo. from now to be completely ready.. I hope that is enough time.

I again saw the blackish brown haze covering the earth. Then I was in New York City. I saw a man get out of a taxi holding a briefcase. He looked up at a large very stark grey building. I knew it was somehow connected to the world bank. Then I saw a meeting inside this building. Several individuals were sitting at a large table and there was a lot of yelling. There was a man standing with his back to the others, looking out a window and talking on a cell phone. He was negotiating with the world bank in England. They were shifting funds to stop the worldwide meltdown of banks. He was speaking of two banks that they were very concerned about. One was here in the U.S.. and very large, the other was in the U.K. and connected to the royalty. Both banks were ready to fall and one had to be sacrificed to save the other. It was like a power tug of war.. If the royal bank were to fail it would effect the political stability in Europe. All of the European banks were scrambling. Even the royal family was concerned. Next I saw that it was decided to sacrifice the U.S. bank. I saw it looked like a large building crumbling. ( it reminded me of 911). Next I saw the Whitehouse. The president was in the oval office and got the news, then he called for a meeting of the joint chiefs of staff and a special session of congress. He had no more moves to make and was following orders. Next I saw a Penthouse apartment, right at the very top. in the background I could see the yellowish orange sunset. on the horizon. ( it was like the sun was\pard line setting on this lifestyle) Back at the meeting at the Whitehouse everyone looked down. there was nothing they could do. They had worked all day to save the economy and it was gone. Next I saw the NYSE just before the closing bell. there were some people who had connections and rumors of the bank closure was effecting everything. I saw the market drop 1200 points just before things closed. Next I saw the Presidents face he picked up the phone then he was on a news broadcast and declared a nationwide /global emergency. Fortunes were lost, and lives lost. Again I saw suicides. The president said "we will restructure." I knew this meant they wanted to put the Amero into effect. I saw our pres meeting with leaders of other nations. Especially Canada and Mexico. Mexico was big problem. It had ties to Venezuela and Chavez was putting pressure on them. Over in Cuba I saw a military build up. Russia was also increasing it's forces up by Alaska just across the bay from the U.S. Putin was laughing at us but he was very angry. Venezuela was ready to declare war. Then I saw a new world order meeting and the U.N. they were putting pressure on Mexico to get the American union put into effect. Then I saw how resources had become the new money worldwide. Everyone was scrambling to stake their claims on oil reserves. I think this is just one of the reasons Russia was gearing up near Alaska. Everyone was positioning themselves. Next I saw that the NWO [New World Order] was not getting what they wanted, Mexico was not cooperating, negotiations weren't working and the NWO began to threaten Mexico. This caused the situation to explode. Chavez made a move of some kind from Venezuela it was an attack. I saw that China was being unusually quiet. They were gearing up during all of the worldwide chaos. Things in Iran also heated up. The oil and food meant power and they were flexing their muscles. Next I saw a cascade of foreclosures and joblessness. There were very few jobs and too much debt. People were on the streets and tent cities were springing up everywhere. I saw men in suits wandering homeless. There were skeleton crews on a lot of jobs. All companies were scaling back. Even at utility companies. Then I saw power outages all across the U.S. Times were rough. Next I saw the federal reserve and Allan Greenspan. (I do not know just who he is or what he does) but he was very connected. I saw that the old structure of the federal reserve was vacant and small. They were setting up and moving everything to a really great big structure. They were putting all of the money in to this larger reserve. This was planned to put the right people in place and they were getting rid of those they didn't want. They were making fortunes as they did it. Now they had even more money than before and the world reserve was set up to fund the NWO and the anti Christ. In all of this I saw again the round up of people and the concentration camps. The NWO didn't care about China, Russia and Venezuela. They were moving forward with their plans no matter what, like a giant machine. Next I saw our military with stockpiles of food and weapons. In the streets the military began rounding people up especially the homeless and tent cities. This was the first phase of really rounding people up. The people were hungry and it was getting cold. Some were hopeful this would help them, others were scared. It looked so much like Nazi Germany. Now people began doubling up in homes so they wouldn't be rounded up. . Then I saw a flu start, this was not "the flu" but it was bad. The authorities called it an epidemic and people started lining up for the flu shots... (don’t)! There were a lot of old people and LOTS of snow. The snow was oh so bad! There were fewer jobs and Christmas time was not happy. People were just staying home and the holidays were sparse. Sales were down and in the stores canned goods were a big deal. I saw people getting food instead of presents. ( get stocked up now I saw a great demand and short supply of canned goods) Fresh fruit and vegetables were still available but they were in short supply. There wasn't much on the store shelves I saw the cause of this was partially a lot of rain in the fall in Cal. Again I was shown the tsunami and earthquakes in Cal. and lots of devastation. A lot of lives lost and sadness. ( I do not know when this will happen or where it fits in the order of things.)

Next I saw Oct. Conference. The time of warning was past. There was some talk of these problems and obeying the prophet. They spoke of how the Lords church would go on and the church was well prepared. I saw that in the background a restructure of some sort was happening. I didn't see any details. But it was like things were pulling in They seemed to be setting things up for more isolated leadership. I had read a talk of Pres Packer’s and he spoke of changes in the fall, I wondered if this was what he was referring to? I saw more leaders staying in their own countries and less travel. Some sort of decision was made at this time that was really big and I think it had to do with the missionaries. I was reminded that they have already moved some for political reasons and this would increase. I saw the elders coming home because of the tensions worldwide. This started gradually at first then it increased. Next I saw the canneries, they were busy with the harvest. Getting a lot done but people were buying it as fast as they could and the shelves were empty. The council on being prepared had not been heeded by the majority, now they were in a panic. Some still saw no reason to do anything. I saw a lot of people going to their bishops for help and there just wasn't enough... next I saw the Church’s grain silo. I watched the grain slowly go down till only one kernel was left. They had sold a lot of it but still had some. They couldn't be expected to feed the entire church and the demand was great. Again I saw conference, there was a lot of security. People were encouraged to watch from home. There were a lot of concerns among the people. Then once conference was over there was an uneasiness in the air. It was quiet then I saw a big bump under the earth. Then the first small earthquake started, it was a small shaking at first.6.2 I think. This was a warning for people to leave at that point. Some did. Then it was shy of about a week that passed. I watched underground as this earlier earthquake caused a fault to begin moving and slipping. Then the west side of the fault bumped and dropped. It was mass panic as the bigger earthquake began. ( I've shared a lot of this before, so some may be familiar) It was like I was standing in a mall the lights over head were swaying, people were hiding under the counters and the walls began to crumble, then I saw a large metal ceiling beam fall. This earthquake was lasting too long. I kept on thinking 3 minutes. But I asked and was told more like 1. It seemed like forever. It was at least and 8.6 Buildings were crumbling everywhere. There were great big cracks in the ground. Small and large I saw the great salt lake sloshing from side to side. In the 2nd earthquake it is like a wall of geysers. It all began in the early morning, it was nippy outside and people had on jackets . There were so many dead and injured. Then it was like I was up in the sky looking down at the damage. All of the foothills had liquefied some of the valley was like Jell-O. A lot of the hospitals were half collapsed almost all of the roads were jagged and broken up there were fires from broken gas mains and water spewing and leaking everywhere. Most of the homes were either flattened or were damaged. In the older parts of town things were really bad all of the old buildings had crumbled and were just rubble. I again saw the glass building up near main shatter and come down. I saw the church office swaying and that afterwards it had to be evacuated due to some damage, it was unsafe. The capitol collapsed on the south end. I watched the spaghetti bowl just fall to pieces and up towards Parleys canyon the overpasses on the freeway had crumbled. A great Crack divided all of Salt lake in half it ran form the Northeast mountains all the way down in to Taylorsville with a lot of smaller cracks coming from that. North in Bountiful the large homes on the hill were really damaged bad. At the airport I saw the parking garage pancake down on top of itself. The airport was also damaged in places but it still was working. Next I saw people wandering the streets in a daze. There were a lot of gangs and looting. People were hiding and in shock. There were sirens and helicopters everywhere. News people were everywhere. The nation was watching closely. This thing was so big it effected. Utah, Nevada, Idaho, Arizona, California, and Wyoming. I did not see much in Colorado. It seemed like the southeast part of Utah was less effected. Next I saw how this event opened up the Cascade range fissures. Things shifted enough to cause the volcano's to heat up. Rainier, St Helens, Hood and Mammoth Lake etc....this did effect Oregon and Washington, but I did not see if it effected Montana. It seemed to be o.k. there were so many people dead. Now the military came in. I saw a truck with a canvas top full of soldiers. It was on one of the streets in SL they jumped out with guns in hand. They were making everyone leave in mandatory evacuations. They began putting people in relocation centers. ( the camps) it was planned. (get out on your own before that happens, when you see the smaller earthquake it is a warning. Never ever ever go to those relocation centers, they become concentration camps later on!) next I saw Long lines of cars on Redwood road. There was less damage there and it was one of the routes out of town. Eagle mountain and Saratoga springs were somewhat damaged but Lehi was the first place people started going to. They were inundated with people getting out of the SL valley. I saw that over on west Mountain in Utah County steam vents had opened up on the northwest side of the mountain, it is volcanic. In Utah co. all of the foothills had liquefied as well, and there was almost as much damage as in SL. There was a big crack near the river in American Fork. This ran all the way up into Pleasant Grove. At the point of the mountain the homes on the north side were all destroyed. They were built on sand and just came sliding down like matchsticks. The tower at thanksgiving point also fell. All of the roads were really broken up. Next I saw Rice stadium, whole sections of bleachers had fallen due to the ground falling away beneath. Then I saw Royal stadium it was half gone. Next I Saw BYU football stadium it had some damage but seemed to be intact. The other buildings on campus were not so lucky. All of the older ones came down. I saw an older dorm was also half gone. But there weren't many students there. I had the feeling they were gone for the weekend or it was a holiday. Maybe they were all in class? The old Provo Tabernacle was damaged and crumbled on the north wall. I saw the glass in the NeWays building really crash down. killing people. The roads in Provo were so jagged and broken up. Again fires and a lot of water spraying from broken pipes. Rock canyon had a lot of damage as well. I did see that Deer Creek and Jordonelle were damaged but I don't think they go completely until the 2nd earthquake? just not sure? I saw ambulances trying to get around in Provo and it was really hard. The streets were so broken up. The hospital garage had collapsed and they were treating people out in the open parking lots and on the grass. I saw that there were a lot of helicopters and so me of the hospital was damaged. Then I saw the old Ironton hill between Provo and Springville. Most of it was gone, due to liquefaction of the ground beneath. The old Clyde building in Springville had crumbled and any buildings with a lot of glass just kind of exploded. The freeway to the west was flooded near Provo and there were a lot of power lines down on it. It was really dangerous. Past the north Springville exit to the south, there were cars lined up everywhere on the freeway trying to get out and go south. There was a major fault line to the east of Springville and the High School was mostly gone because it was built on it. Only the west portion of the building was standing. All of the houses on the hills were in bad shape. There was a lot of water in the streets and big cracks. I saw that near the old creek that goes though town there was a lot of damage. Homes had fallen in and lots of large cracks were near those areas. The creek was dry though, and that was good. The old buildings on main were in piles. Only one or two walls were intact Some streets in Springville were usable to the south. Next I saw Spanish fork, I watched as a gas station exploded there on one of the main roads. I saw that south of Spanish Fork the damage got less as you went south. But it was still at least a 7 pointer there. there was still a lot of damage and people killed. I did see that the priesthood had protected some of the buildings that had been blessed and dedicated. Communications were down, cell phone lines were clogged. It was expressed to me that those in the quake should call a family member in another state to tell of their condition and then that family member could notify others of how things are. This would free up the lines. I saw that Logan was effected in about the same way as Utah county. About a 7.-- there. It was a 6 pointer in areas south. I saw people evacuated to Price, Sanpete and Delta areas. I did not see them going north, it seemed like the damage was greater there. Next I saw them calling for people to open their homes and work together. Other nations began offering help. The world was watching. There were a lot of government, military vehicles around and they brought supplies. There were so many dead. I saw cars lined up on freeways and people dying in them. If you get caught in this traffic turn off your car. Save your gas. and save the battery. Have a crank radio with to listen to or have one person call tell me or another info line with their cell. Then report to the others in line...so it doesn't clog the cell lines. Everyone was trying to help the evacuations. Anyone with medical training was put to work. This earthquake began opening up the underground waters, but more came later in the 2nd earthquake there is a major underground river under the mountains and the damage of this quake effected it. I was told that reports would say this was the costliest earthquake in lives and property in U.S. history even worse than the San Francisco quake. Most everything was damaged. So much death and suffering. I saw a little rebuilding, but with the economic situation there was not a lot of insurance to cover things. I was told to remember.. food and supplies will be the new money. Get out medical supplies now and have them in a place that they can be easily reached. Secure shelves and heavy objects. If they live in central Utah they might want to put their food storage above ground if possible or it will be under their house. Do what you can. I saw that 4 wheelers were really valuable and could get around on the broken roads. I was told to have two spares in your vehicle. and keep fix a flat with you. People will need a lot of leather gloves to pull people out and have tarps to cover damaged parts of homes to keep the rain off etc. Have evacuation kits ready and Lots of blankets and coats, it will be cold!!!!! portable heaters will work for some, but be careful of open flames there will be a lot of broken gas lines gas and propane follow the ground and it can explode from the vapors even if you don't think it is close by....Get bottled water now and keep with you in cars etc... have the car packed with first aid kits and ready to go at a moments notice. Learn how to shut off gas lines. Make large bandages now, the kind made of old sheets for slings etc.. if you have old crutches get them out and have them ready. You will need to have gas tanks filled and extra for generators. Have a meeting place planned for family before hand and do earthquake drills with the little ones. Get out of the areas as soon as you can and on your own. There will be mandatory evacuations... and the military will make you leave. don't ever go to those relocation centers. The ones that I saw were Camp Williams, Hill, micron. any large buildings. This was a national emergency and martial law will be in effect. The military will be the main help that comes. Sell anything you have that is useless, and use it to prepare now. Buy food. Prepare a safe place now. If you have a trailer or camper you may want to get it somewhere now, but the mountains will be cold and the snow will be bad later on. The damage did seem to be less in other states.

Most of all remember to turn to the Lord. HE IS IN CHARGE! I know that all of what I have shared is hard. I have spent the last two days and nights really struggling with this. I feel it all as I see these things. I just want people to be prepared. There is so little time left. Please pray about these things. Then prepare. I do know that the Lord will bless those who have been obedient. WE need to trust HIM and Know that what ever happens we are in His hands! May the Lord bless you... Herendair

Sorry, with the small print and no paragraphs I couldn't get more than halfway finished.

Besides, I'm looking forward to getting through this mortal life and moving on to the next one. What's to fear?

[NeuroTypical]

Once I dreamt that Jupiter left it's orbit and crashed into the Earth. Quite stunning visuals. And it happened when my kids were still young, so ya know it's gonna happen!

LM

[Hemidakota]

It is always a ponderous moment when I read such insights from those who talented and blessed Saints, who receive revelations of the last days. Call it compelling, call it believable, when we find the time in reviewing on what is given and then making a comparison from other sources, they always seemed to follow the same pattern.

Even my own 14-year old daughter last week, we corresponded by e-mail, I can testify, has a pure heart like Joseph, received an alarming vision from a tall, large in statue Nephite [don't ask for the name] in church attire, revealing to her and giving her instruction of the last days. Sad part, she looked and turned back to this angel, with anger and yet, filled with sadness, knowing, she was brought into this world during this timeframe and undergo the trials prior to Savior return. What I didn't tell her, who this Nephite was. LOL

Edited November 4, 2008 by Hemidakota

[RONALD]

Question: Regardless of the appropriateness of recording and transmitting the talk (or redigested version of the speech), for those in attendance, would the warnings given be considered prophetic--words directly from God?

If spoken under the influence of the Holy Ghost and if directed by the Prophet as the Prophet is the Lords mouth piece here on earth.

[Hemidakota]

From FAIR...

Claim

A common e-mail circulated by some members claims to be a transcript of remarks given by President Packer in the Forest Bend Ward in Salt Lake City, Utah, on 12 October 2008. Reportedly, Pres. Packer is quoted as saying that a catastrophic event was looming in the immediate future and that we must get used to making do with what we have or doing without. He is also quoted as saying the world was too dangerous for us to let our children play outside alone.

Response

A FAIR member contacted Church Public Affairs, and received the following response (the words are the FAIR member's, not the Church's):

I was told that while President Packer did indeed speak at the meeting cited, no transcript was made and that the one circulating was done after the talk was given and should not be considered to be authoritative. The following statement was given to me on the matter: The following First Presidency letter explains the Church’s position on these types of e-mails. The letter was issued on May 13, 2004 and to all Church units and LDS Church leaders. Its subject was:

Statements Attributed to Church Leaders From time to time statements are circulated among members which are inaccurately attributed to the leaders of the Church. Many such statements distort current Church teachings and are often based on rumors and innuendos. They are never transmitted officially, but by word of mouth, e-mail, or other informal means.

We encourage members of the Church to never teach or pass on such statements without verifying that they are from approved Church sources, such as official statements, communications, and publications. Any notes made when General Authorities, Area Authority Seventies, or other general Church officers speak at regional and stake conferences or other meetings should not be distributed without the consent of the speaker. Personal notes are for individual use only. [emphasis added by FAIR]

True spiritual growth is based on studying the scriptures, the teachings of the Brethren, and Church publications.

President Packer's secretary indicated further that President Packer's message for the world is in last week's [i.e., October 2008] General Conference. If members of the Church want to know what message he would have us hear, we need to listen to that talk, and throw this account of his talk away. President Packer's office cautioned that the talk given on 12 October represented President Packer's personal views, and should not be considered to be doctrine or a statement of the Church's views.

Conclusion

President Packer give did give a talk on the date cited. No approved transcript exists, and it is contrary to the counsel of the Church to circulate or rely on such unofficial accounts, which often distort or misunderstand (even if unintentionally) the intent of the speaker.

When prophets and apostles wish to communicate important information for the spiritual or temporal well-being of members, they will do so via official channels to the entire Church, not in small meetings from which we must rely on unverified accounts to receive their message.

Edited November 4, 2008 by Hemidakota

[MrNirom]

I hear it.. what is good for the goose... is NOT good for the gander. Keep it to yourself. Consider what you hear as a Patriarchal Blessing!