Guest bizabra Posted October 26, 2004 Report Posted October 26, 2004 Check out this article. Discuss, please.http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ne_041026104546 Quote
Jenda Posted October 26, 2004 Report Posted October 26, 2004 Originally posted by Unorthodox@Oct 26 2004, 12:19 PM I guess this is a Word of Wisdom thread. Well, I believe we are permitted to drink Green Tea, so it shouldn't be a problem for LDS, right?By the way, I tried Pero the other day, and I actually like it. ALMOST as good as coffee and Word of Wisdom approved! I drank Pero when I went on a WoW kick in college. And 3 years ago, when I gave up coffee, I started drinking it again. I really like the flavor of it, too. Quote
Ray Posted October 26, 2004 Report Posted October 26, 2004 I find it interesting that some scientist are saying that green tea is better for us than black tea. I also find it interesting that many people in the Church believe that drinking green tea or herbal tea is acceptable. Here’s what I found when I did a little research:Question: Are herb drinks considered part of the “hot drinks” forbidden by the word of wisdom or are they “herbs to be used with prudence and thanksgiving?” (See D&C 89: 10,11.)Clifford J. Stratton, “Questions and Answers,” Tambuli, Feb. 1980, 16Dr. Clifford J. Stratton, associate professor of anatomy, University of Nevada School of Medical Sciences; high councilor, Reno Nevada North StakeAnswer: That’s a good question but a difficult one to answer, since over a thousand different herbs have been identified to this date but not all of them have been so thoroughly studied that we know all of their medicinal values. Fortunately, the most popular herbs and herb drinks have been analyzed—but the only source I would recommend checking is a medical library. Information available from popular or commercial sources that I have examined is frequently unreliable.All herb drinks cannot be discussed in this limited space, but I will include comments on some of the most popular.Salvia, popularly known as sage, has been used in teas for centuries. Its active ingredient is a greenish-yellow volatile oil with a strong tannin content. One species, Salvia ref ex, is poisonous, but extracts from Salvia officinalis are very effective in modern bronchitis medicines and in preparations for throat inflammation. Used as a gargle, it prevents excessive salivation and has a significant antibacterial effect.Panax, or ginsing tea, is reportedly a daily drink for millions. It stimulates the adrenal gland of the kidney and causes a dramatic increase in corticosteroid secretion. That means it interferes with carbohydrate, protein, and fat metabolism, electrolyte and water balance, the heart, kidneys, voluntary muscles, and the central nervous system. Its use should be avoided unless advised by a physician.Mint, spearmint, peppermint (Mentha) teas effectively aid in the release of gas from the stomach and intestine and can safely be used in moderation for that purpose. Dandelion roots (Taraxacum officinale) were used by physicians in the nineteenth century to treat chronic diseases of the liver, but their actual usefulness has not been substantiated.Alfalfa (Medicago sativa) can increase cortisone production, but it also contains compounds which cause inflamed skin in many individuals. Since synthetic cortisone is available by prescription, without the other undesirable components found in the plant, the traditional use of alfalfa for rheumatism and arthritis is strongly discouraged today.Clover and sassafras teas contain poisonous substances (cyanide and safiole, respectively). Clover is therefore prohibited in the United States.Numerous “combination” herb drinks used as pleasant drinks or for their medicinal properties, are also sold. You should find out the effect of each of the herbs before you drink the tea regularly.Ephedra, popularly known in the western U.S. as “desert tea,” “Mormon tea,” “squaw tea,” or “Mexican tea,” contains no harmful alkaloids but is high in vitamin C. If taken in large quantities it decreases the heart rate and thus may decrease blood pressure. Earlier claims that it helped treat venereal disease and sore throats are probably unfounded. It is important, however, not to confuse the North American Ephedra with the Chinese Ephedra, Ma Huang, which contains a large quantity of ephedrine, a salt of an alkaloid which strongly stimulates the nerves and thus should be used only as a drug under a doctor’s care.Thus, each herb tea can be classified as a “hot drink” or “an herb to be used with prudence” only after we know what effect it has on the body. Many drinks contain no significant levels of drugs and can be used as tasty warm drinks, with some nutritive benefit. However, a well-nourished body has no unnatural cravings and requires no drugs to perform well both intellectually and physically.The Lord has given us herbs “to be used with prudence and thanksgiving” D&C 89: 10,11.) “to strengthen the body” in certain cases of minor illness. But he has warned us that herbs should be used “with judgment” D&C 59:17-20), “not in excess” and “neither by extortion,” based upon reputable information.As a doctor who has researched the drug (medicinal) components in herbs for many years, I must stress the importance of not “prescribing” herb teas as medicine for yourself or others. Many herb teas do contain drugs whose effect is unknown, and “folk knowledge” is not a reliable guide. Any illness requiring drugs should be treated by a physician; and a prudent individual will not consume large quantities of any herb for any reason. Quote
Faerie Posted October 26, 2004 Report Posted October 26, 2004 you find it interesting that i've always been taught that herbal tea is acceptable? gosh..my sunday school and seminary teachers must be heathens lol Quote
Ray Posted October 26, 2004 Report Posted October 26, 2004 Originally posted by Faerie@Oct 26 2004, 12:47 PM you find it interesting that i've always been taught that herbal tea is acceptable? gosh..my sunday school and seminary teachers must be heathens lol I said it is interesting. Do you not know what that word means or what I meant when I said that?And why would you think that your sunday school and seminary teachers are heathens? A woman's mind works in mysterious ways. Quote
Guest bizabra Posted October 26, 2004 Report Posted October 26, 2004 We are not talking about herb teas, but about the health bennies of black and green teas. Camellia sinensis, not ginseng, clover, alfalfa, mint, chamomile, sage, or sassafras. Green tea is not an "herbal" tea. It is unfermented tea. It comes from tea plants, just like the black versions do.Please stay on topic.If the WofW is such a great health code, why is it interpreted to forbid drinking tea? Admit it, the WofW is an OBEDIENCE TEST only, and need not be defended on any supposed "health benefit" it supposedly confers, at least as it is now interpreted. Quote
Lindy Posted October 26, 2004 Report Posted October 26, 2004 Nice article Biz.... and it makes us think a little more doesn't it? I'm looking to see how long it will be before they can put the power of green tea into a capsule for the pharmaceutical companies to rip us off with. Quote
Ray Posted October 26, 2004 Report Posted October 26, 2004 Originally posted by bizabra@Oct 26 2004, 01:05 PM We are not talking about herb teas, but about the health bennies of black and green teas. Camellia sinensis, not ginseng, clover, alfalfa, mint, chamomile, sage, or sassafras. Green tea is not an "herbal" tea. It is unfermented tea. It comes from tea plants, just like the black versions do.Please stay on topic.If the WofW is such a great health code, why is it interpreted to forbid drinking tea? Admit it, the WofW is an OBEDIENCE TEST only, and need not be defended on any supposed "health benefit" it supposedly confers, at least as it is now interpreted. Sorry, I didn’t realize that all tea comes from only one type of plant. I thought tea was a general term for a substance obtained by soaking some of a plant in water, and that an herbal tea was as much of a tea as any other, different only by the type of plant and how it is processed.Anyway, if you’ll recall, I also acknowledged that some people think drinking “green” tea is acceptable, but I haven’t found any official information yet to let me know where people got this idea.Does anybody else know where this idea came from, other than from some Sunday school or seminary teachers? I’d like to see what the authorities of the Church have to say about this. Quote
Jenda Posted October 26, 2004 Report Posted October 26, 2004 Green tea and black tea come from the same plant, the difference is how it it processed, or fermented. The other teas are really herbal steeps, to be more precise. They contain parts of flowers and plants and are steeped to get a tea-like drink. I think that the WoW is a health code and an obedience test, personally. Yes, I believe that there are more health benefits from adhering to it than you might pick up from other diets, etc., but the real blessings come from putting your faith in God. Quote
Lindy Posted October 26, 2004 Report Posted October 26, 2004 Originally posted by Jenda@Oct 26 2004, 01:46 PM I think that the WoW is a health code and an obedience test, personally. Yes, I believe that there are more health benefits from adhering to it than you might pick up from other diets, etc., but the real blessings come from putting your faith in God. Amen sister :) Quote
Ray Posted October 26, 2004 Report Posted October 26, 2004 Originally posted by lindy9556+Oct 26 2004, 01:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lindy9556 @ Oct 26 2004, 01:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Jenda@Oct 26 2004, 01:46 PM I think that the WoW is a health code and an obedience test, personally. Yes, I believe that there are more health benefits from adhering to it than you might pick up from other diets, etc., but the real blessings come from putting your faith in God. Amen sister :) Yes, amen. :) Quote
Kevin Posted October 26, 2004 Report Posted October 26, 2004 Admit it, the WofW is an OBEDIENCE TEST only, and need not be defended on any supposed "health benefit" it supposedly confers, at least as it is now interpreted.What do you mean it "need not be defended on any supposed health benefit is supposedly confers?" Quote
Guest curvette Posted October 26, 2004 Report Posted October 26, 2004 I drink green tea without the slightest twang of guilt. Green tea and black tea are from the same plant, but Victorian America was only familiar with the English black kind, so if hot drinks really include tea--I think it's the black kind. (personally I don't see anything wrong with that either though.) Quote
Guest curvette Posted October 26, 2004 Report Posted October 26, 2004 Oh, yeah, the article. What did you want to discuss about it? Green tea has also been shown to ward off cancer. It's the perfect anti-oxidant. Quote
Spencer Posted October 27, 2004 Report Posted October 27, 2004 Originally posted by lindy9556@Oct 26 2004, 04:22 PM Nice article Biz.... and it makes us think a little more doesn't it? I'm looking to see how long it will be before they can put the power of green tea into a capsule for the pharmaceutical companies to rip us off with. Until the next generation of scientist's come and prove exactly the opposite. You know it will happen =) Quote
Spencer Posted October 27, 2004 Report Posted October 27, 2004 "Hot Drinks" is rather vague. I think as long as you believe what you are doing is right, without the slightest bit of guilt then all is well. Quote
Lindy Posted October 27, 2004 Report Posted October 27, 2004 Originally posted by Spencer+Oct 27 2004, 04:53 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Spencer @ Oct 27 2004, 04:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--lindy9556@Oct 26 2004, 04:22 PM Nice article Biz.... and it makes us think a little more doesn't it? I'm looking to see how long it will be before they can put the power of green tea into a capsule for the pharmaceutical companies to rip us off with. Until the next generation of scientist's come and prove exactly the opposite. You know it will happen =) I think you are right on the money with that Spencer.... "Hot Drinks" is rather vague. I think as long as you believe what you are doing is right, without the slightest bit of guilt then all is well. " I think we have a winner! Quote
Jenda Posted October 27, 2004 Report Posted October 27, 2004 Originally posted by Spencer@Oct 27 2004, 05:05 AM "Hot Drinks" is rather vague. I think as long as you believe what you are doing is right, without the slightest bit of guilt then all is well. Isn't that how sociopaths think, too? Quote
Matt Posted October 27, 2004 Report Posted October 27, 2004 I was taught that ALL tea was bad. Tisanes (herbal drinks) are not tea, though. Quote
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