Who made God?

[ruthiechan]

I think we should all go to our rooms and rock back and forth.

Don't rock back and forth too fast. You'll get dizzy if you too fast. Really.

[Dr T]

Ruthie, is that from experience?

[bytor2112]

1. If you could hie to Kolob

In the twinkling of an eye,

And then continue onward

With that same speed to fly,

Do you think that you could ever,

Through all eternity,

Find out the generation

Where Gods began to be?

2. Or see the grand beginning,

Where space did not extend?

Or view the last creation,

Where Gods and matter end?

Methinks the Spirit whispers,

“No man has found ‘pure space,’

Nor seen the outside curtains,

Where nothing has a place.”

3. The works of God continue,

And worlds and lives abound;

Improvement and progression

Have one eternal round.

There is no end to matter;

There is no end to space;

There is no end to spirit;

There is no end to race.

4. There is no end to virtue;

There is no end to might;

There is no end to wisdom;

There is no end to light.

There is no end to union;

There is no end to youth;

There is no end to priesthood;

There is no end to truth.

5. There is no end to glory;

There is no end to love;

There is no end to being;

There is no death above.

There is no end to glory;

There is no end to love;

There is no end to being;

There is no death above.

[Wingnut]

I think we should all go to our rooms and rock back and forth.

Gee, I hope he comes back soon. I'm still rocking.

[Dr T]

hahaha, Simon says stop rocking

[Justice]

There had to be a first. Who was the first God?

Only in our finite minds does there have to be a first.

I believe life has always been the way it is. I don't believe there was a first. Someone once said "if there ever was a time when there was nothing, there would still be nothing." Implying, there was never a first, because there always were beings.

Too many people place their lack of understanding in God, when in reality, it should be placed in infinity.

[Hemidakota]

There had to be a first. Who was the first God?

HIS FATHER. As long there is a image of man, there was someone before him.

Read Genesis, compare to Book of Moses and the Book of Abraham. Keep reading while asking for the Spirit of guidance for clearer understanding. It is a story of the beginning of humanity.

As the Lord declared, 'I AM', Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. Likewise, there was a beginning as there will be a end. We progressed from a lower form Intelligence and finally end to the pinnacle of highest form of life that still awaits us beyond the Celestial realm [see Revelation - White Stone].

[Dr T]

HD, then there has to be a first cause. Reason out what you are saying and see how it is a nonsensical statement if you are saying it just keeps going back and back and back and back without a first cause.

[Hemidakota]

What was revealed in the story of the creation?

[Dr T]

That God was the creator sir, nothing about Him being created, nothing about there being others before him. Nothing like that.

[Hemidakota]

Who created HIM? Or really them? "Let US make man in OUR image." HE does not have the ability to create eternal elements but used to them create with or fashion out of. As HE does not have the ability to create Intelligence. It was there before HIM. Now, I not saying HE is lesser than what HE is but to show something that we have the ability today in knowing as Brother of Jared did.

Edited January 31, 2009 by Hemidakota

[Hemidakota]

Darwin only expressed his desire to put down his own parental learning of that day was itself, ignorance at best, with understanding the creation and professing wrongfully.

Intelligence progression starts somewhere that is revealed in first couple of chapters of Genesis, from the basic form and ends up being man. This is something that spook 'Remoter Viewers' early on when they try to remote view the creation. What they saw GOD, or a resemblance of a thing, there was no male or female per say, and under subject of a higher created Intelligences form beyond it.

Edited January 31, 2009 by Hemidakota

[gabelpa]

You silly silly people, it's turtles all the way down.

[Justice]

HD, then there has to be a first cause. Reason out what you are saying and see how it is a nonsensical statement if you are saying it just keeps going back and back and back and back without a first cause.

Why?

Why does there have to be a first?

The only reason mortals believe there has to be a first is because they are under time, which has a beginning and end. In eternity, time does not exist.

Genaology in the eternities is infinite. The only beginning is each eternal round, where the work of God or Man perfecting His offspring starts anew.

This is the same "logic" or "reasoning" that leads man to believe the universe has to havea limited size. We are taught that time and space are endless. Even if we can't fathom it, we can still believe it.

[Justice]

That God was the creator sir, nothing about Him being created, nothing about there being others before him. Nothing like that.

We don't need to know about how God came to be. More revelation like that would (may or could) cause people to look past our Father in Heaven and look for greater.

The fact is that our Father in Heaven knows all that He needs to know, and has all the power He needs to have, to perfect His children. It is His work to do so, not His Father's.

Therefore, we should have no other God's before Him. Our praise, worship, honor, complete love and trust, are to be placed in OUR Father, and all that He instructs and reveals to us...

...namely His Son Jesus Christ.

Edited January 31, 2009 by Justice

[Book_of_Mormon_Warrior]

Who created HIM? Or really them? "Let US make man in OUR image." HE does not have the ability to create eternal elements but used to them create with or fashion out of. As HE does not have the ability to create Intelligence. It was there before HIM. Now, I not saying HE is lesser than what HE is but to show something that we have the ability today in knowing as Brother of Jared did.

"Us" and "our" are the Father and the Son. (Lectures on Faith)

The verse in no way implies the existence of other Gods besides the God of this earth, who is from everlasting to everlasting and who of said "Besides me there is no other God".

Edited January 31, 2009 by Book_of_Mormon_Warrior

[a-train]

Dr. T is right. God has no creator, the idea is a false doctrine completely in objection to LDS teaching. God is eternal and was not ever created. He had no beginning and he shall have no end.

-a-train

[Maxel]

I think the argument about 'who created God' is as fruitless as the argument 'who created Love'- we don't know, we can't know on this Earth because it's not given to us to know beyond a doubt. To some, individually, it may be given, but to those that receive they would be under the strictest mandate not to share that information with the world- only in select circumstances, to select audiences, when directed by the Holy Ghost.

Official LDS doctrine (by that I mean 'canonical scripture') does not definitively say anything about the origin of God, and the LDS are under no obligation to explain it to someone whose sole aim is to belittle our beliefs. The discussion, bred of contention, will not resolve into peace except those discussing confine themselves to reflecting God's discourse on the elements to Job:

Job 38:11

11 And said [to the sea], Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further...

As the Lord commands the temporal elements of this earth, he also commands the amount of knowledge that we His creatures are given on this earth. The knowledge of who made God, if any other force did, is not made known unto us.

[Jobiwon]

I was just thinking of this the other day, what got me thinking was that post from President Joseph F Smith. It said that God was born of a woman......but how could this be cause i always thought God was just forever there. I talked a bit with the missionaries about it and they said that somethings i'm not meant to understand.

They are wrong, God is eternal. No beggining no end. God is. Read Isaiah

[Maxel]

Jobiwon, Isaiah was written by a Hebrew prophet, for Hebrews with traditional Hebrew understanding.

The ancient Hebrews understood the concept of 'eternity' as a series of time, immeasurably long by human standards, but with beginnings and end. Eternity began before human existence, and will end long after, but it still had a beginning and end. Therefore, even though God is (rightly) described as being extant throughout eternity, the people for whom that statement was meant for would have understood that there was time before, and a time after, eternity.

That says nothing about the actual eternal nature of God. Indeed, I believe God's intelligence to never have been created, and will never end. It has existed through all eternity- our concept of eternity.

Please, cease and desist your attempts to antagonize us. If you have a legitimate question, please post it. However, do not come in here, wave around a scripture or two, and tell us our faith is defunct. Do the Christian thing.

[Jobiwon]

Jobiwon, Isaiah was written by a Hebrew prophet, for Hebrews with traditional Hebrew understanding.

The ancient Hebrews understood the concept of 'eternity' as a series of time, immeasurably long by human standards, but with beginnings and end. Eternity began before human existence, and will end long after, but it still had a beginning and end. Therefore, even though God is (rightly) described as being extant throughout eternity, the people for whom that statement was meant for would have understood that there was time before, and a time after, eternity.

That says nothing about the actual eternal nature of God. Indeed, I believe God's intelligence to never have been created, and will never end. It has existed through all eternity- our concept of eternity.

Please, cease and desist your attempts to antagonize us. If you have a legitimate question, please post it. However, do not come in here, wave around a scripture or two, and tell us our faith is defunct. Do the Christian thing.

Eternity has no beggining and no end. Saying eternity began is a oxymoron.

How Iam antagonizing you?

[Maxel]

Eternity has no beggining and no end. Saying eternity began is a oxymoron.

Yes, according to our view of eternity. However, the ancient Hebrews- whom the Old Testament was written for- had a different view of the concept. To arrive at the most honest interpretation of a text, we must keep in mind the author and the audience the text was intended for. Isaiah was a master poet, so I assume he was well aware of the basics of writing- that is, to keep your audience in mind and use symbolism and wording that they recognize. That's all I'm pointing out.

[Lost_one]

Yes, according to our view of eternity. However, the ancient Hebrews- whom the Old Testament was written for- had a different view of the concept. To arrive at the most honest interpretation of a text, we must keep in mind the author and the audience the text was intended for. Isaiah was a master poet, so I assume he was well aware of the basics of writing- that is, to keep your audience in mind and use symbolism and wording that they recognize. That's all I'm pointing out.

Maxel, I dont believe Jobiwon is interested in truth. He seems only interested in his own voice. Even though this thread was started, purely to put down the church, it has had the opposite effect for me. Thanks mostly to you Maxel. Your explanation of context is one ive heard before, in relation to 'The book of revolations'. It helped me then to understand it and to see things i never did before. Unfortunatly, some people cant see the sphere for the circle, they see on this piece of paper we call existance.