Moksha Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Okay, I read them.Elphaba Not the written rules Elphaba. Did you think life was that simple? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prospectmom Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 , Elphaba I enjoy your posts... I read and sometimes research what you've said ( quotes/ etc ) I think your opinion is fair and understandable. You own your errors without malice and I appreciate the time you put into your posts even though I might not agree with all you say... I respect you and thank you for widening my view... opening my eyes... giving me reason to think.......we can see, that in 2009, we all need to stop incessantly accusing each other of evil and extremism, and accept we are all just people, doing our best in a very difficult time. This statement by you proves where your heart is....... Thank You Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elphaba Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 , Elphaba I enjoy your posts... I read and sometimes research what you've said ( quotes/ etc ) I think your opinion is fair and understandable. You own your errors without malice and I appreciate the time you put into your posts even though I might not agree with all you say... I respect you and thank you for widening my view... opening my eyes... giving me reason to think.......we can see, that in 2009, we all need to stop incessantly accusing each other of evil and extremism, and accept we are all just people, doing our best in a very difficult time. This statement by you proves where your heart is....... Thank YouHey PM,Thank you so much for your kind words. I don't get them very often on the boards. I love that you verify my quotes. In fact, I love it when someone corrects me, as I want to be as accurate as possible.Your post made my day. Elph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bytor2112 Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 (edited) I would say, as a general rule, that anytime we set out to limit the love of God we will have regrets in hindsight.What a truly lovely thought......:) Edited March 1, 2009 by bytor2112 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elphaba Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Not the written rules Elphaba. Did you think life was that simple?Yes, I did. But since I received an infraction, I guess I was wrong. Elph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 To me, “actual reconstruction” means permanent, inhabitable and safe facilities, constructed to allow Iraq‘s citizens to resume a normal semblance of life. But every time a suicide bomber blows him/herself up in a crowd, buildings are damaged, including those recently re/constructed.Thanks for clarifying. But, if you'll permit me to say so, "safety" is kind of a sliding scale. How rare do attacks have to be before we can call Iraq safe? Must they be completely eradicated? Must they become (on a per capita basis) as rare and non-lethal as terrorist attacks on, say, Israel; or Pakistan? Or will we just presume that Iraq is not safe as long as American troops are there; and that it is safe after they're gone?But I am saying there aren't many of Iraq's woe we did not cause in some manner.Sure, the invasion stirred the pot. But the contents thereof were already poisonous (and the Bush administration's failure to see that was unbelievably reckless). All would not have been well in Iraq if we had just left it alone--see, e.g., this pre-war UNICEF release and this ten-year assessment of the effects of Gulf War II. Iraq had a thriving tourist industry, and would host international businesses exhibitions, and the like. It was a city that had no problem providing the services, including electricity and water processing . . .After 1991 (or, for that matter, after the First Gulf [iran-Iraq] War)? I'd be interested to see sources on that. While electricity production plunged for several years after the invasion, this CS Monitor article makes it clear that even Hussein couldn't keep Baghdad's lights on 24-7. Let's not build prewar Iraq into some kind of Utopia. It wasn't. And if you weren't a Sunni and weren't living in one of the areas under allied protection; it was pure hell.So, as far as an actual reconstruction, the picture of the little Iraqi girl says it all, and until the day comes where she no longer has to search through sewage to find grains of rice, there will be no “actual reconstruction.”Not to downplay her plight, but I think it's important to note that she's looking for rice to feed to chickens; not looking for rice to feed herself. And you haven't provided any proof that kids weren't picking through the gutters for rice before the invasion.I saw plenty of kids playing in sewer water in Brazil. Should that observation, in and of itself, be enough to support an allegation that Brazil under Cardozo and Lula is not undergoing any actual economic development?Anyhow: Yes, Bush #$@% up. Royally. But let's not pretend that defeat in Iraq is only a matter of time. It isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moksha Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Has the world gone topsy turvy? Come back from that Palerider Invitational 3-hour Challenge (without BTW saying anything stupid) and find a banned label by Elphaba's name. Is this real or a jest to mess with our heads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleWyvern Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Has the world gone topsy turvy? Come back from that Palerider Invitational 3-hour Challenge (without BTW saying anything stupid) and find a banned label by Elphaba's name. Is this real or a jest to mess with our heads?Yes, I did. But since I received an infraction, I guess I was wrong. That is bizzare. I guess after the infraction, one of the admins wanted her gone for good. Weird... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkyTown Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Someone banned the Phabulous one? o.O Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rameumptom Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Elph has been rather strong in her wording on a few threads lately, particularly against Pres Benson. She made some claims that she had to recant, something she has insisted in the past that she's very careful prior to making claims, and is very wont to correct others on. While we do not necessarily know all the reasons, this is LDS.Net, not Elphaba.Net. And the moderators must ensure that the discussion is respectful to the prophets, even if we do discuss some of their mistakes or incorrect beliefs on occasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moksha Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Got an email from Elphaba and she wanted LittleWyvern and concerned others know that she will be back in a week. Suppose we can all run wild with the facts until then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trulykiwi Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 (Edit: In the paragraph directly above, I meant to write: The information you have presented to buttress your claims is an excellent example of a future, or even a present-day prophet, presenting his personal opinions as facts. President Benson might have endorsed your position, but not as a prophet. They are only one man’s extremist opinions, period.)ElphabaHow do you know? where do you get your information from, you don't know who you might be talking to here! Be careful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemidakota Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 It wouldn't be the first time she spoken out.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trulykiwi Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 (edited) It wouldn't be the first time she spoken out....Well it seems to me she was going on about opinions of prophets and man being two separate things. What is her opinion then, is it prophetic or is it mans?So long as she or he knows it is President Bensons words I would believe (even in 1972 as and apostle speaking in GENERAL CONFERENCE) than her words! Edited March 3, 2009 by trulykiwi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemidakota Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Depends on the whole message given by a prophet, whether it is under influence of the Spirit or just a personal opinion. Any member under the influence and direction of the Holy Ghost is the gospel. If it is spoken in GC, Elder Benson words is the gospel unless that prophet revised the wording. Knowing Elder Benson, he would not lead you astray. As any leader who truly fear and tremble before the Savior, wants to honor the FATHER and the Savior, would not lead you astray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 (edited) Got an email from Elphaba and she wanted LittleWyvern and concerned others know that she will be back in a week.Good to hear.On a more topical note: an interesting sum-up today from Christopher Buckley:The Audacity of Nope:Mr. Obama is proposing among everything else $1 trillion in new entitlements, and entitlement programs never go away, or in the oddly poetic bureaucratic jargon, “sunset.” He is proposing $1.4 trillion in new taxes, an appetite for which was largely was whetted by the shameful excesses of American CEO corporate culture. And finally, he has proposed $5 trillion in new debt, one-half the total accumulated national debt in all US history. All in one fell swoop.He tells us that all this is going to work because the economy is going to be growing by 3.2 percent a year from now. Do you believe that? Would you take out a loan based on that? And in the three years following, he predicts that our economy will grow by 4 percent a year.This is nothing if not audacious hope. Edited March 3, 2009 by Just_A_Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemidakota Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 It was told today taking a minute to watch the stocks plummeted, not only the government will fail in economics, but it would cost more than what is now our debt to ratify the on going problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trulykiwi Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 No. I just simply do not agree with some of Benson's political views, which some could call bigoted or fanatic (the views, not the person). I mean no disrespect to Benson, and I apologize if my comments have offended anyone.I just simply agree with his views. I believe they are not too far removed from what Christ will institute, freedom, equality and prosperity. I agree with all of those political views, which one don't you agree with? He was speaking in a GC in that link I gave you, it has never been renounced and he was an Apostle. Maybe Noah was called a bigot and fanatic by all those people that DROWNED too??!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trulykiwi Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 No. I just simply do not agree with some of Benson's political views, which some could call bigoted or fanatic (the views, not the person). I mean no disrespect to Benson, and I apologize if my comments have offended anyone.When I make a statement I am not pretending to be someone else, therefor my views are the same as my person. Tell me what you mean by the difference between Pres Bensons 'views' or 'the person'????? It may well be one in the same! I don't think he had one view as a 'PROPHET' and another as a 'PERSON'. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleWyvern Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 I just simply agree with his views. I believe they are not too far removed from what Christ will institute, freedom, equality and prosperity. I agree with all of those political views, which one don't you agree with? He was speaking in a GC in that link I gave you, it has never been renounced and he was an Apostle. Maybe Noah was called a bigot and fanatic by all those people that DROWNED too??!!!!There are a few things where I don't politically agree with Benson, the NWO conspiracy being one of them. This does not mean that I don't believe Benson was a prophet, nor to I mean to discredit everything doctrinally that Benson has ever said (which your Noah example seems to be trying to infer). There are just a few strictly political areas where I disagree with Benson, nothing more.When I make a statement I am not pretending to be someone else, therefor my views are the same as my person. Tell me what you mean by the difference between Pres Bensons 'views' or 'the person'????? It may well be one in the same! I don't think he had one view as a 'PROPHET' and another as a 'PERSON'.Meaning when I disagree with a political view that Benson has held, I do not mean to disagree with everything Benson says, nor is it meant to be a personal attack on Benson or a reflection of any kind of the kind of person or prophet Benson is. It especially should not be taken that I disagree with anything doctrinally Benson says.In essence, unless I'm mistaken, as a member of the LDS Church I'm allowed to form my own political views and opinions. If those views are different than a prophet's political views, I'm certainly not be assumed to be a heretic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enolam Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 (edited) when I disagree with a political view that Benson has held, I do not mean to disagree with everything Benson says, nor is it meant to be a personal attack on Benson or a reflection of any kind of the kind of person or prophet Benson is. It especially should not be taken that I disagree with anything doctrinally Benson says.In essence, unless I'm mistaken, as a member of the LDS Church I'm allowed to form my own political views and opinions. If those views are different than a prophet's political views, I'm certainly not be assumed to be a heretic.I get what you're saying LittleWyvern and you are right within the context of political views. I'm sure even within the Council of the Twelve Apostles float different political opinions... but even that is speculative......however, when Ezra Taft Benson an Apostle, in a General Conference of the church - knowing that the words from these meetings are accepted as official, and are to be treated as scripture - and also when President Benson, as President and Prophet of the church, made statements in General conferences from time to time which reflects the message of the book "None Dare Call It Conspiracy" written by Gary Allen, then it is not just a political view, it is an official statement. No General Authority would ever share a mere political opinion in a General Conference, but maybe only a political fact.... as they do not use General Conference to influence peoples voting freedom.Not all statements of opinion are true, sure, but some opinions are accurate. Calling it an opinion doesnt establish whether the statement is true or false. Edited March 3, 2009 by enolam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleWyvern Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 I get what you're saying LittleWyvern and you are right within the context of political views. I'm sure even within the Council of the Twelve Apostles float different political opinions... but even that is speculative......however, when Ezra Taft Benson an Apostle, in a General Conference of the church - knowing that the words from these meetings are accepted as official, and are to be treated as scripture - and also when President Benson, as President and Prophet of the church, made statements in General conferences from time to time which reflects the message of the book "None Dare Call It Conspiracy" written by Gary Allen, then it is not just a political view, it is an official statement. No General Authority would ever share a mere political opinion in a General Conference, but maybe only a political fact.... as they do not use General Conference to influence peoples voting freedom.Not all statements of opinion are true, sure, but some opinions are accurate. Calling it an opinion doesnt establish whether the statement is true or false.What I don't understand then is how the NWO conspiracy in any way relates to any gospel concepts. From my understanding, the issue cannot be anything else other than political. The whole conspiracy has both feet firmly in political grounds, and anything that it talks about is purely political. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blusun7 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 I think we all make this more difficult than it is. America will fail. Prophets and Apostles say it. The economy is setting up as the white horse prophecy of joseph smith and the dream of George Washington. Check this sight out. It has a couple mormon leaders who had dreams of this event.(economy and second coming)American Prophecy - 3scroll down for George Washington and Joseph Smith then followed by other mormon leaders. Very interesting and gives a lot of insight.This is the only page i ve read. It seems like it all goes together. The other stuff on the home page i didnt read which has other people i dont know. It didnt bother me to read these as they felt true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enolam Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 What I don't understand then is how the NWO conspiracy in any way relates to any gospel concepts. From my understanding, the issue cannot be anything else other than political. The whole conspiracy has both feet firmly in political grounds, and anything that it talks about is purely political.Because the fruition of the NWO conspiracy will threaten gospel principles... in fact it already has throughout the earth, via the many different tools used - such as media, politics, financial systems etc - just look at the evidence out there, it's everywhere to be seen...Socialism or Communism (go hand in hand)... is the tool of the beast. In fact Ezra Taft Benson said that it is the beast. And the NWO will be socialist, do you not believe it? President Obama openly declared that he wants a left wing government, he is a socialist, and he wants the NWO to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blusun7 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 i agree . im glad to see someone has the same views as me. I just dont like to post like that cause then i get critized but i agree with enolam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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