Guest InLuvWBroadway17 Posted June 16, 2005 Report Posted June 16, 2005 I was talking to this man online about my friend and he informed me, after asking me all these questions, that she is posessed by an evil spirit and that he could take it out of her. (He's not LDS). He sent me two conversations he had in which he was taking an evil spirit out of two different people. What is the LDS docterine concerning being posessed by an evil spirit? Should I really tell my friend to talk to this guy? PLEASE HELP?! Quote
Outshined Posted June 16, 2005 Report Posted June 16, 2005 No, I would not refer your friend to a guy you 'met' chatting on the internet. If you are really concerned about your friend, talk to your parents and possibly your Bishop. I've met people who thought listening to Metallica is satan-worship, so don't take him too seriously.Some reading: http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/p.../devils_eom.htm Quote
StrawberryFields Posted June 16, 2005 Report Posted June 16, 2005 Originally posted by Outshined@Jun 16 2005, 07:28 AM I've met people who thought listening to Metallica is satan-worship, so don't take him too seriously. You mean it isn't? I LuvWBroadway17,I agree with Outshined that you should not subject your friend to such an idea. I have watched something like evils spirits being cast out of a person on 20/20 or another program like that and it has a bit over the top to say the least. Do your parents know that you are chatting with a man who believes he can do this? I have a daughter who is almost 16 (in 31 days and counting ) and if she were chatting with someone like that I would be very concerned. Please don't meet with this man for any reason. Quote
Guest InLuvWBroadway17 Posted June 16, 2005 Report Posted June 16, 2005 Oh no I would NEVER meet with someone I met on the internet! The guy said that he could do it over the internet. I met hm in a Christian chat room. I'd like to know what the church has to say about people being posessed by evil spirits and then having a priest or whatever get rid of them. Does anybody know? Quote
Outshined Posted June 16, 2005 Report Posted June 16, 2005 From "Mormon Doctrine":ExorcismIn imitation of the true order whereby devils are cast out of people, false ministers (having no actual priesthood power) attempt to cast them out by exorcism. This ungodly practice was probably more common anciently than it is now, because few people today believe either in miracles or in the casting out of literal devils. But over the years it has not been uncommon for so-called priests to attempt to expel evil spirits from persons or drive them away from particular locations by incantations, conjuration, or adjuration. Commonly some holy name is used in these false rituals.Having seen Paul cast out devils in the power and majesty of his priesthood, "certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took" it upon themselves to imitate the divine practice. Commanding the devil to come out of a possessed person, they said: "We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth." Thereupon the devil said to the seven sorcerers who so acted: "Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?" Then "the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded." (Acts 19:11-16.) This scriptural account is symbolical of the final overthrow of all those who practice exorcism.Doesn't sound like it is an advisable pastime. Quote
Jason Posted June 16, 2005 Report Posted June 16, 2005 Looks like the resident Mormons don't know a thing (including the clip from Bruce McConkie) about casting out evil spirits. Your friend needs to be prayed for. If she is possessed by demons, that's the best thing for her. God bless. Quote
Outshined Posted June 16, 2005 Report Posted June 16, 2005 I don't believe anyone on Earth knows anything about "casting out spirits".As Jason said, prayer is the best thing you can do. Quote
StrawberryFields Posted June 16, 2005 Report Posted June 16, 2005 Originally posted by Jason@Jun 16 2005, 09:20 AM Looks like the resident Mormons don't know a thing (including the clip from Bruce McConkie) about casting out evil spirits. Your friend needs to be prayed for. If she is possessed by demons, that's the best thing for her. God bless. I don't believe a man on the internet can diagnose her friend as being possessed by demons.In addition to prayer anyone will benefit from being exposed to places where they can feel the spirit of our Savior. Take her to church with you, or to EFY or Youth Conference or to the temple grounds. Share your testimony with her and be a true friend to her.If she is doing things to hurt herself then she also needs to seek professional help. Quote
begood2 Posted June 16, 2005 Report Posted June 16, 2005 InLuv, Also be aware that all people on christian chat lines are not christian.! Some are there to prey upon the most naive. Quote
Snow Posted June 16, 2005 Report Posted June 16, 2005 Originally posted by InLuvWBroadway17@Jun 16 2005, 04:42 AM I was talking to this man online about my friend and he informed me, after asking me all these questions, that she is posessed by an evil spirit and that he could take it out of her. (He's not LDS). He sent me two conversations he had in which he was taking an evil spirit out of two different people. What is the LDS docterine concerning being posessed by an evil spirit? Should I really tell my friend to talk to this guy? PLEASE HELP?! First of all we have to confirm that she is truly possessed by an evil spirit.1. Has she been diagnosed by a ghostologist?2. Has the possession been measured by a spookometer?3. It is possible that the evil spirit is really just a misunderstood good spirit acting out for the sake of attention? Quote
Snow Posted June 16, 2005 Report Posted June 16, 2005 Originally posted by Jason@Jun 16 2005, 07:20 AM Looks like the resident Mormons don't know a thing (including the clip from Bruce McConkie) about casting out evil spirits. Your friend needs to be prayed for. If she is possessed by demons, that's the best thing for her. God bless. Well that's probably the 2nd best thing. The best thing would be to refer her to a shrink. Quote
Guest Taoist_Saint Posted June 17, 2005 Report Posted June 17, 2005 I don't know if there is an official doctrine on Posession in the LDS Church. I never saw anything like that. I think there are alot of "folk beliefs" in the LDS community. I base that assumption on the fact that I have never met so many people who believe in ghosts, spirits and posession before I moved to Utah. Perhaps it was just coincidence. I am undecided on the issue. I try to keep an open mind. I have never seen anything to make me believe spirits roam the earth. However, if you read my recent post about "uploading" your brain, you will see my theory that a ghost might just be a pattern of electricity/energy that used to drive a human brain, but now has freed itself from that brain. I suppose a spirit that never had a body could exist in the same way. And if that's true, I guess Posession could occur if a spirit could "download" itself into someone else's brain without sophisticated computer equipment. Just a thought. Quote
Traveler Posted June 17, 2005 Report Posted June 17, 2005 Originally posted by InLuvWBroadway17@Jun 16 2005, 05:42 AM I was talking to this man online about my friend and he informed me, after asking me all these questions, that she is posessed by an evil spirit and that he could take it out of her. (He's not LDS). He sent me two conversations he had in which he was taking an evil spirit out of two different people. What is the LDS docterine concerning being posessed by an evil spirit? Should I really tell my friend to talk to this guy? PLEASE HELP?! I do not think very many people have a good grasp of the effect unclean spirits have on the general population. Please do not take what I am saying wrong but it is my personal belief that any evil done among mankind is assisted, and inspired through unclean spirits. For example, I do not believe that one person will deliberately take a human life without the influence of an unclean spirit. This is not to say that a person is operating ability to control their actions.I am aware of peer pressure, especially on teenagers. This does not mean that their friends are possessing them but that they are an influence. So it is with spirits. We invite them (good or evil) into our lives through associations, music, entertainment and other means. The more we give in to certain things (including temptation) the more power the spirit inspiring those things has influencing us.I also do not believe that “casting out” unclean spirits cleans a person. If they do not build a relationship with the spirit of G-d they will always return to the unclean spirits.In general I suggest that people seek good things and learn to enjoy good things and in so doing unclean spirits will not find them a good to hang with. Just as the spirit of G-d departs from those that entertain unclean things so unclean spirits depart from those that stand in holy places.The Traveler Quote
Guest Taoist_Saint Posted June 17, 2005 Report Posted June 17, 2005 Originally posted by Taoist_Saint@Jun 16 2005, 06:07 PM However, if you read my recent post about "uploading" your brain, you will see my theory that a ghost might just be a pattern of electricity/energy that used to drive a human brain, but now has freed itself from that brain. I suppose a spirit that never had a body could exist in the same way. And if that's true, I guess Posession could occur if a spirit could "download" itself into someone else's brain without sophisticated computer equipment. I just had another thought on this idea of "uploading and downloading" souls (energy patterns) into brains. If that is really how it works, perhaps an evil spirit would be the equivelant of a computer virus. It could be an energy pattern that is downloaded into a brain and takes control over the energy pattern (soul) within.That would mean Norton Antivirus might have a future in the Exorcism business! Quote
Outshined Posted June 17, 2005 Report Posted June 17, 2005 Let's just hope it wouldn't be a Windows-based process... Quote
Guest Taoist_Saint Posted June 17, 2005 Report Posted June 17, 2005 Originally posted by Outshined@Jun 17 2005, 12:25 PM Let's just hope it wouldn't be a Windows-based process... LOL If it is, make sure to backup your brain regularly Quote
DisRuptive1 Posted June 18, 2005 Report Posted June 18, 2005 Prayer is all right and dandy but baptism is the best bet. Also, Catholics have been doing this for hundreds of years. If she truly is possessed, you should speak with a Catholic authority as they know how to do exorcisms. Quote
Outshined Posted June 18, 2005 Report Posted June 18, 2005 I wouldn't bother. "Father, a guy on the internet (whom I've never met) said my friend (whom he's never met) is possessed. Can you help?" Quote
Setheus Posted June 19, 2005 Report Posted June 19, 2005 Originally posted by DisRuptive1@Jun 18 2005, 01:50 PM Prayer is all right and dandy but baptism is the best bet.Also, Catholics have been doing this for hundreds of years. If she truly is possessed, you should speak with a Catholic authority as they know how to do exorcisms. Have they? Or has it just been a big dog and pony show? I mean we're talking about a religion that was lead by a pirate during the time of Cosimo de Medici, and several sex crazy popes, and now lead by a man who was a Hitler youth. (it wasn't his fault yada yada yada) Ya, they're the ones to go to. Who cares they don't have the priesthood of God, as long as they've just been "doing it" for centuries..THATS all that counts isn't it? <span style='color:green'>"I'm not a doctor. But I play one on TV." Quote
pushka Posted June 19, 2005 Report Posted June 19, 2005 As the following link suggests, this can be a very serious issue indeed, and a dangerous one if taken too far!Please read...http://mathaba.net/x.htm?http://mathaba.ne....shtml?x=245417 Quote
Mahonri Posted June 20, 2005 Report Posted June 20, 2005 As a Latter-day Saint and one who posesses the authority of the priesthood I have cast out evil spirits on a few occasions. I have done it through a priesthood blessing, placing my hands upon the person's head, stating my authority and casting the unclean spirit to come out in the name of Jesus Christ. I also have been warned by the Spirit to stay away from an individual, I raised my arm to the square, stated my authority and cast the spirit out in the name of Jesus Christ. Each time the spirit(s) have departed. With one sister, they continue to come back and it's because of the choices she makes. Everyone is worked upon by evil spirits. We all should want to live righteously so that when we wake up in the morning, the devil and his angels will say, "Oh no, he's awake!". M Quote
Cal Posted June 27, 2005 Report Posted June 27, 2005 Originally posted by InLuvWBroadway17@Jun 16 2005, 05:42 AM I was talking to this man online about my friend and he informed me, after asking me all these questions, that she is posessed by an evil spirit and that he could take it out of her. (He's not LDS). He sent me two conversations he had in which he was taking an evil spirit out of two different people. What is the LDS docterine concerning being posessed by an evil spirit? Should I really tell my friend to talk to this guy? PLEASE HELP?! Tell your friend that there are a lot of true nut cases out their and to NEVER talk to anyone on line that you don't know, especially when they reveal their craziness in such and obvious way. Teenagers are especially naive and need to be warned about the dangers of interacting with people on the internet. Tell your friend to be especially careful not to reveal ANYTHING that could be used to identify her or anyone she knows--like telling what school she goes to, what city she lives in, her real name, phone number or even email address.Also, tell her that the LDS church does not emphasize the reality or unreality of demonic possession, and there are a lot of good LDS that don't even believe in that mumbo jumbo. Modern brain science can account for a lot of what people USED to think was demonic possession. There are a host of brain diseases that can account for the stuff you read about in the bible or other historical texts. This is the realm of brain science, not ghosts, goblins and demons. You can forgive the ancients for not understanding the human brain, and using the idea of demonic possession to explain it. There is no justification for that stuff today. Quote
Guest lt Posted July 9, 2005 Report Posted July 9, 2005 I believe you are possed with what ever you want to be. If you live a good life, love others, and live the gospel you are god, and yes...If you hurt others and play with witchcraft, and do evil things I think you can get swept away as well. We are in the last days...There is evil lurking all around us, but its our choice of weather we partake, it doesn't just take over us, we have to give in to it. It's all on choice Quote
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