YM's v. YW's budget

[Guest mysticmorini]

I've heard several times that the YM's Budget is larger than the YW's, as a financial clerk i was pretty sure it was based on the number of actively attending youth plus a little extra to cover the cost of boys enrolling in scouts am i wrong?

[WmLee]

Each year your ward is given X number of dollars for operation. This is based on the count taken by the Ward Clerk during sacrament meeting during a designated period of the year. Each year the Stake President tells the Bishop how much money he has for his ward. The Bishop decides how much money goes to Relief Society, Elders and High Priest, YM, YW, Primary, Library, Ward Activities, Family History, Ward Missionaries, (he decides who gets what).

It’s always fun to watch presidents and group leaders “work” the Bishop as he decides the Ward Budget each year!!

[mightynancy]

We just manage as needed. I'm the YW pres, and I don't have a set budget. The bishop encourages us leaders to be prudent with our resources and trusts us to make those decisions. We do take advantage of the opportunity to raise funds once a year. The YM do a combined Friends of Scouting and YM auction, and the YW do a fundraiser of their choice. No "working" of the bishop is necessary; we're all on the same team.

[Traveler]

Sometimes because the YM are associated with the Boy Scouts of America they have higher costs because some money has to be budgeted to go to the local and national Scouts. However, the scouts also have more lattitude in fundraising.

When I served as a scout master our troup sold and delivered fire wood and made enough money that we never took any money from the ward budget and we has several times (per individual) than the YW had. This always caused problems with the YW but because of accounting we could not give money directly to the YW. There was one particular YW leader that complained so much that we had to end our very profitable fund raising and rely on the ward budget that caused they YW to loose half of their funding. I had offered to have the YW work with the YM but they did not want to do the work and they were upset because of our activities.

The Traveler

[HEthePrimate]

It’s always fun to watch presidents and group leaders “work” the Bishop as he decides the Ward Budget each year!!

Heehee!

HEP

[HEthePrimate]

I've heard several times that the YM's Budget is larger than the YW's, as a financial clerk i was pretty sure it was based on the number of actively attending youth plus a little extra to cover the cost of boys enrolling in scouts am i wrong?

Personally, I'd like to see the Church encourage girls to join the Scouting movement. My mother quite enjoyed it when she was a kid, and learned very valuable skills (though that was a while ago, and in a foreign country, so the program there may have been different). In any case, girls need to learn the same basic survival, outdoors, camping, and job skills that boys do.

Don't mean to derail the thread, though! I don't know how the budget is decided, but if it is done by numbers of regularly attending youths, that sounds reasonable, all else being equal.

HEP

[Guest mysticmorini]

Personally, I'd like to see the Church encourage girls to join the Scouting movement. My mother quite enjoyed it when she was a kid, and learned very valuable skills (though that was a while ago, and in a foreign country, so the program there may have been different). In any case, girls need to learn the same basic survival, outdoors, camping, and job skills that boys do.

Don't mean to derail the thread, though! I don't know how the budget is decided, but if it is done by numbers of regularly attending youths, that sounds reasonable, all else being equal.

HEP

there is a reason girls are not in the scouting movement 1. because the church discourages mutual camp outs 2. the church has fundamental differences with the girl scout movement.

as far as raising money, the youth are only permitted to do one fundraiser per year for a major expense like scout camp or youth conference.

[Wingnut]

there is a reason girls are not in the scouting movement 1. because the church discourages mutual camp outs 2. the church has fundamental differences with the girl scout movement.

as far as raising money, the youth are only permitted to do one fundraiser per year for a major expense like scout camp or youth conference.

I don't think HEP was talking about girls joining Girl Scouts, but rather girls joining Boy Scouts.

[Just_A_Guy]

I don't think HEP was talking about girls joining Girl Scouts, but rather girls joining Boy Scouts.

Which, I think, is technically possible--at least for Venture crews.

[MarginOfError]

Which, I think, is technically possible--at least for Venture crews.

It is possible for venture crews, but the minimum age for venturing is 14, which would exclude the beehives.

What's more, the focus of Scouting and Venturing are different. Venturing is centered around exploration and self-fulfillment (through careers, hobbies, etc). Scouting, on the other hand, is centered around developing leadership skills, and the outdoor program is nothing more than the vehicle for encouraging leadership.

As such, I think Venturing would offer very little to young women that the Personal Progress program doesn't already offer them. What I'd rather see is a program more like Scouting, in that it focuses on teaching leadership skills. The only problem I see there is that there is no organization that really focuses on female leadership skills (yes, leading men and leading women are two very different skill sets). There hasn't been a lot of research into how women lead other women, and so it's hard to say what skills are essential for them to know.

[MobyMule]

I give ours the same amount and primary more.

On fundrasiers it is only for camps. Girls camp or scout camp. That includes the cost of the camp and possibly supplies needed for said camp. I wouldn't consider Youth Conference a camp.

[HEthePrimate]

I don't think HEP was talking about girls joining Girl Scouts, but rather girls joining Boy Scouts.

Erm, no. I was talking about girls joining the Girl Scouts (Why would I want them to join the Boy Scouts? To raise the teen pregnancy rate? ). And neither the Boy Scouts nor the Girl Scouts have mixed boy/girl campouts. I think it would be cool for LDS girls to join the Girl Scouts and go camping... with fellow GIRLS.

What fundamental differences does the Church have with the GSA? And even if they do have differences, why can't we "play nicely with others?" Does a group have to agree with us on everything in order for us to work with them?

HEP

[Just_A_Guy]

What fundamental differences does the Church have with the GSA?

As per Wikipedia, the Girl Scouts arose out of early 20th century Progressivism and had social welfare as a fundamental goal.

And we wouldn't want to give Brother Beck a coronary, would we?

[MarginOfError]

The girl scouts are also in open support of homosexual rights, and all of the typical women's liberation movement platforms such as abortion rights. The program at the grass roots level is probably fine, but the national program policies don't jive very well with the Church's policies.

This isn't to say that the BSA and the Church don't have their differences, but for the most part, these differences are a matter of application and not of content.

Also, from what discussions I've had with women who have worked with Girl Scouts more recently, camping and survival skills aren't really as big a part of the program as are career exploration.

[Wingnut]

Erm, no. I was talking about girls joining the Girl Scouts (Why would I want them to join the Boy Scouts? To raise the teen pregnancy rate? ). And neither the Boy Scouts nor the Girl Scouts have mixed boy/girl campouts. I think it would be cool for LDS girls to join the Girl Scouts and go camping... with fellow GIRLS.

You just said Scouts, so I assumed you were referring to the already established Scouting program with which the Church is affiliated. As has been mentioned already, girls can participate in Venture Scouts, and I personally have chaperoned on a Boy Scout that involved both boys and girls.

As per Wikipedia, the Girl Scouts arose out of early 20th century Progressivism and had social welfare as a fundamental goal.

Very early on, on of the primary focuses of the Girl Scouts was supporting and assisting the war efforts. Where the BSA sought to produce leaders and prepare boys to enter the military, the GSUSA sought to support them.

[Guest mysticmorini]

Erm, no. I was talking about girls joining the Girl Scouts (Why would I want them to join the Boy Scouts? To raise the teen pregnancy rate? ). And neither the Boy Scouts nor the Girl Scouts have mixed boy/girl campouts. I think it would be cool for LDS girls to join the Girl Scouts and go camping... with fellow GIRLS.

What fundamental differences does the Church have with the GSA? And even if they do have differences, why can't we "play nicely with others?" Does a group have to agree with us on everything in order for us to work with them?

HEP

actually the bsa does have mixed Boy/Girl campouts. Venturing (which is the only BSA group that allows Female youth) often forms groups outside of lds units with both male and female members, often these groups go on campouts and jamborees with regular scout units.