Lying to get a temple recommend

[Dravin]

I wonder how you reaction would have been I came from Joseph house, then presented plural marriage doctrine, what would be your comments to me?

As some random person I don't know? It'd be to get lost as you aren't one of the channels of communicating binding doctrine in this Church.

Would they be like the same opinions of the apostates or would you acknowledge Joseph Smith was truly a prophet of GOD?

See and this is the crux of the issue, you tie accepting you and your opinions, speculations and claims with accepting a prophet of God and until such time as you are are called as an Apostle or the Chief Apostle such simply isn't the case.

Edited June 9, 2010 by Dravin

[Hemidakota]

Okay, I'm not sure why you're suddenly being so hostile. I still disagree with you, however. If there are non-LDS people living on the earth during the Millennium, there will still be a need for temple recommends.

Why? Let us place ourselves in that timeframe for a moment. Here is a city of 500-1000 miles wide in circumference, a bright glowing light from within can be seen on the outside. A government that led by the Master, Michael, and Gabriel as the leading priesthood authority. Would you dare enter through the gates of the city? Would dare enter into the one of those functioning 24-temples, where a person could see angels come and go? Could you? Could you even enter the walls of the Kirtland temple [or any local temple] if you knew that the Lord would be presence? Did any of those members require a temple recommend for the Kirtland Temple?

When we enter the temple, which level of glory should we be living? Is this case that I am giving in not needing a temple recommend?

[Hemidakota]

As some random person I don't know? It'd be to get lost as you aren't one of the channels of communicating binding doctrine in this Church.

I am not talking about a random person.

[Dravin]

I am not talking about a random person.

That is who you are.

[FunkyTown]

I am not talking about a random person.

Hemi? I love and respect you and think you are awesome, but to everyone on the board: You are a random person. Wing and Dravin are right.

If what you state as fact is the meat of the gospel, it is meat that certainly does go above my understanding in some cases. This is okay. I recognize I'm not a binding leader of the church and am still mostly like a child.

However, what I do know is that you don't try to talk of heavenly things to people who only know earthly things. What you say is sometimes confusing and, rather than be enlightening, seems counterintutive to things we are teaching in the church.

That can be bad to new members as they start to think that what you're quoting as doctrine. If it is doctrine, it's not doctrine that easily fits to a new member(Or even myself, who has been in the church 8 years, been endowed and studied scripture).

You have far more experience in the church than I, Hemi. But based on what you write, I sometimes can't draw conclusions from A->B based on what you're saying. You seem to leap from A->L->G->Q. While it might be correct, without the logical build-up, I find it impossible to follow the logic on some of those things.

[HiJolly]

Do you think in the millennium, we will need to carry a temple recommend?

I'd like to toss an opinion out on this.

I am convinced that (A) no one will need a temple recommend in the millennium; (B) everyone will be welcome in the temple LDS or NOT.

I'm serious.

HiJolly

[Wingnut]

(B) everyone will be welcome in the temple LDS or NOT.

I hadn't thought of it that way, but it's a good point.

[candyprpl]

HiJolly -- I kind of see it that way also. I can't exactly back this up with scripture but the little understanding that I have of the millennium seems to suggests this.

[Traveler]

I'd like to toss an opinion out on this.

I am convinced that (A) no one will need a temple recommend in the millennium; (B) everyone will be welcome in the temple LDS or NOT.

I'm serious.

HiJolly

The temple is a place of covenant within the ordinances of the Melchizedek Priesthood. If someone is not of such covenant the temple is of no consequence to them. Non-LDS during the mellennium are honest and will not make any attempt to go to the temple - any such concept would be dishonest and against the nature a those preserved for that time.

In general I have thought and wondered about someone going to the temple because they lied. This is a most intriguing idea. Anyone that understands the temple would realize that to go there because of a lie is like being honest and following Satan. Something will have to give one way or the other. My thought is that rather than think to punish a person for the lie to get to the temple – perhaps it is also possible that by efforts of the rest of us all to keep the temple holy that someone there because of a lie would be so out of place that if they are aware they would be converted and live according to a higher law.

The Traveler