Is God an alien or one of us?

[Greatest_I_am]

Is God an alien or one of us?

Not being English, using and interpreting words and knowing their full meaning is always a close thing and if the listener and speaker are too precise in their acceptance of language, communication becomes nearly impossible. This is why in philosophical circles, they say that the definition of terms comes after a general consensus is reached on an issue. If one tries to go the opposite way then the issue will likely never be resolved and all the participants will do is argue instead of discuss and reason.

I will try to show here, in a general way, that all of the following words all relate to the same being. Man, god, God, human consciousness, adam, society and humanity.

We can be more specific on terms latter, but for now, I would ask that you allow some flexibility in definitions till after you grasp what I am trying to say.

My bottom line will be that our original God was first a god and before that, he was a man.

I invite you to listen to the first few lectures in this series so that you will know where I am coming from and why I have come to the conclusion that I have.

Intro to the Old Testament-Lecture2: Bible in Ancient Near East Setting:Religion

I will be starting off from the position that the ancients did not know how the universe started and that they created a myth to fill in the blanks.

I will view Genesis as the ancients showing how mankind, through the archetypal Adam and Eve, became autonomous adults from innocent children and that all that Genesis is, is a myth of a right of passage. We do know that all ancient tribes had some kind of right of passage and unless we see Genesis that way, Christians, as a tribe or group, do not have one.

Deuteronomy 32:4

He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment:

If all of God’s ways are judgments or decision making, then He must be thought of as a thinking entity. Nothing more. A disembodied spirit or consciousness of thought.

This tells us what the writer wants us to know of God’s full attributes. No miracle working or powers of any sort, except for judging based on thinking.

Many believe that we cannot know God and that his ways are unfathomable and mysterious etc. This is not what the writer is saying at all. He is setting our goal as humans, gods and future Gods.

Matthew 5:48

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

This is what the unspoken message from God to Adam and Eve is in Eden.

God is demanding apotheosis the way any human father or mother would demand from his children. God is also shown as setting the conditions for Adam and Eve to show what all humans need to learn well. Initiative. This gift has been misunderstood as sin. God does this by allowing society or humanity, as represented by the talking snake, to have access to our two young and innocent archetype humans. First Eve, as girls mature faster than boys, and then Adam.

After Eve then Adam sin, sort of, as God was training them to recognize learning as sin to insure that learning is done with caution, it is time to graduate.

Genesis 3:22

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:

After Adam and Eve do the right thing through sin/caution and learn, they graduate from school.

Here, the writer tells us how we grew from innocent children to gods and hopefully to God’s. The ultimate goal of life. Through the study of the knowledge of good and evil.

Rather simple and in this way, God and mankind leave Eden in a win win situation instead of the lose lose situation that Christianity has foolishly misinterpreted out of the old Hebrew writings. I say foolishly but perhaps it is as foolish as the most intelligent animal the snake. We would call it foolish as a fox. They may have been trying to use guilt as a tool of social manipulation to accentuate caution. I don’t think we can know for sure.

If we are urged to be perfect like God and are shown to be able to, then man and god must mean the same thing. We as gods can then progress to Gods. Scripture has many references calling man god and gods and hinting to the God within all of us.

If you thing demographically, you will note that God just sits at the top of our common which consists of us sitting in our positions as gods. Graphically, it would look like this.

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Is God an alien or one of us?

Regards

DL

Edited October 24, 2010 by Loudmouth_Mormon

[Traveler]

There are too many isolated assumptions. We can interpret the scriptural creation in terms of singularity (earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep) followed by a Hot Big Bang (let there be light – light being the common dominator of all matter and enginery that exist in our universe). It is quite possible that the ancients knew and understood more about creation than we think we do today.

The Traveler

PS. following Eden man became the alien in the world.

[MichaelCraig]

I feel like I'm an alien who's lost his green card and the I.C.E. van just drove up into my driveway. I'm so very thankful that I have an awesome lawyer though. His name is Christ Jesus. :) Through Him I will be at my REAL home one day and I'll sit where ever He tells me to. Sorry, topic is way over this simple country boys head.

[prisonchaplain]

The Garden of Eden, despite the OP, sounds rather attractive to me...far more so than the "Egypt" I currently reside in.

[Dr T]

The answer to your question would be neither if you ask me.

[Greatest_I_am]

There are too many isolated assumptions. We can interpret the scriptural creation in terms of singularity (earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep) followed by a Hot Big Bang (let there be light – light being the common dominator of all matter and enginery that exist in our universe). It is quite possible that the ancients knew and understood more about creation than we think we do today.

The Traveler

PS. following Eden man became the alien in the world.

Eden was considered a myth by the Hebrew and Jews of the day.

If you believe it was real then you believe in talking animals and an unjust God and man giving birth to woman.

If so, take your magical fantasy thinking and go away.

There is nothing you can teach me.

The ancients were bright but not that bright as can be seen by Christians literalizing and historicizing scripture. A fatal mistake to understanding.

Regards

DL

[Greatest_I_am]

I feel like I'm an alien who's lost his green card and the I.C.E. van just drove up into my driveway. I'm so very thankful that I have an awesome lawyer though. His name is Christ Jesus. :) Through Him I will be at my REAL home one day and I'll sit where ever He tells me to. Sorry, topic is way over this simple country boys head.

Yes. I see that from your reliance on a scapegoat whose father demanded his son be murdered in a barbaric blood sacrifice. Yuk.

Quite the God you follow.

Sounds more like a Satan.

Regards

DL

[Greatest_I_am]

The Garden of Eden, despite the OP, sounds rather attractive to me...far more so than the "Egypt" I currently reside in.

Eden would be man’s mental jail.

A place where man is kept stupid and compliant wit a God who demands that we remain ad dumb as sheeple. We rejected Eden as we should have. Man was meant for greater things and has produced.

If you want Eden, then I suggest a frontal lobotomy.

Regard

DL

[Greatest_I_am]

The answer to your question would be neither if you ask me.

We will not speak much if I have to squeeze all details from you.

Expand on what you say so I can know what you are saying.

Regards

DL

[Blackmarch]

Is God an alien or one of us?

Not being English, using and interpreting words and knowing their full meaning is always a close thing and if the listener and speaker are too precise in their acceptance of language, communication becomes nearly impossible. This is why in philosophical circles, they say that the definition of terms comes after a general consensus is reached on an issue. If one tries to go the opposite way then the issue will likely never be resolved and all the participants will do is argue instead of discuss and reason.

I will try to show here, in a general way, that all of the following words all relate to the same being. Man, god, God, human consciousness, adam, society and humanity.

We can be more specific on terms latter, but for now, I would ask that you allow some flexibility in definitions till after you grasp what I am trying to say.

My bottom line will be that our original God was first a god and before that, he was a man.

I invite you to listen to the first few lectures in this series so that you will know where I am coming from and why I have come to the conclusion that I have.

Intro to the Old Testament-Lecture2: Bible in Ancient Near East Setting:Religion

I will be starting off from the position that the ancients did not know how the universe started and that they created a myth to fill in the blanks.

I will view Genesis as the ancients showing how mankind, through the archetypal Adam and Eve, became autonomous adults from innocent children and that all that Genesis is, is a myth of a right of passage. We do know that all ancient tribes had some kind of right of passage and unless we see Genesis that way, Christians, as a tribe or group, do not have one.

Deuteronomy 32:4

He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment:

If all of God’s ways are judgments or decision making, then He must be thought of as a thinking entity. Nothing more. A disembodied spirit or consciousness of thought.

This tells us what the writer wants us to know of God’s full attributes. No miracle working or powers of any sort, except for judging based on thinking.

Many believe that we cannot know God and that his ways are unfathomable and mysterious etc. This is not what the writer is saying at all. He is setting our goal as humans, gods and future Gods.

Matthew 5:48

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

This is what the unspoken message from God to Adam and Eve is in Eden.

God is demanding apotheosis the way any human father or mother would demand from his children. God is also shown as setting the conditions for Adam and Eve to show what all humans need to learn well. Initiative. This gift has been misunderstood as sin. God does this by allowing society or humanity, as represented by the talking snake, to have access to our two young and innocent archetype humans. First Eve, as girls mature faster than boys, and then Adam.

After Eve then Adam sin, sort of, as God was training them to recognize learning as sin to insure that learning is done with caution, it is time to graduate.

Genesis 3:22

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:

After Adam and Eve do the right thing through sin/caution and learn, they graduate from school.

Here, the writer tells us how we grew from innocent children to gods and hopefully to God’s. The ultimate goal of life. Through the study of the knowledge of good and evil.

Rather simple and in this way, God and mankind leave Eden in a win win situation instead of the lose lose situation that Christianity has foolishly misinterpreted out of the old Hebrew writings. I say foolishly but perhaps it is as foolish as the most intelligent animal the snake. We would call it foolish as a fox. They may have been trying to use guilt as a tool of social manipulation to accentuate caution. I don’t think we can know for sure.

If we are urged to be perfect like God and are shown to be able to, then man and god must mean the same thing. We as gods can then progress to Gods. Scripture has many references calling man god and gods and hinting to the God within all of us.

If you thing demographically, you will note that God just sits at the top of our common which consists of us sitting in our positions as gods. Graphically, it would look like this.

G

ggg

ggggggg

ggggggggggg

ggggggggggggggg

Is God an alien or one of us?

Regards

DL

Alien. Far as I know God is not a legal resident of the U.S.

As for whether we are of the same species, it would probably be safe to assume so.. or to assume that we've been built to be after his pattern, close enough to be considered in the same family.

Edited October 26, 2010 by Blackmarch

[prisonchaplain]

Eden would be man’s mental jail.

A place where man is kept stupid and compliant wit a God who demands that we remain ad dumb as sheeple. We rejected Eden as we should have. Man was meant for greater things and has produced.

If you want Eden, then I suggest a frontal lobotomy.

Regard

DL

There is a great set of books you might find interesting. It's apocalyptic fiction, and you'd surely disagree with the premise. However, you also might enjoy it. The premise is that a scientist clones a live cell from the Shroud of Tourin (in the story, the fraud ends up being authentic) in order to prove that Jesus was just a human. The clone grows up to become Antichrist. However, rather than being subtle, and using deception, this messianic figue makes a compelling argument--that God is evil and controlling, and that humanity must reject him for the tyrant he is. He further argues that we are meant to evolve, but cannot do so until YHWH is thoroughly deposed, and we embrace our own godhood. Of course, at the end of the trilogy, this was all just an arrogant and deluded seduction, but the author got the argument down very persuasively.

See: Amazon.com: In His Image (Book One of The Christ Clone Trilogy) (9780446613279): James BeauSeigneur: Books

Edited October 26, 2010 by prisonchaplain
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[Dr T]

We will not speak much if I have to squeeze all details from you.

Expand on what you say so I can know what you are saying.

Regards

DL

Understood great one. My beliefs are not LDS even though this is a LDS site. I do not believe God is exactly like man or an alien. I guess you'd have to define your terms first but I believe God is much greater, than man in many many many ways and He is not an alien from another planet I'd say. Unlike man, He (God) is the only being that is not dependent on anything or anyone. He never was and never will be.

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