Princess3dward Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 <div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>Not unless you want to be strong in your faith and testimony and stay active... If you want to stay active though, you do have to..I guess I don't think "staying active" in the church is a need, as for being strong in your faith, how about Abraham? Was he "active" in the church?Josh B)He was a prophet. Did he need to be? Was there one?#1 what did Abraham prophecy? What would make you think he was a "prophet"#2 I would say no....Mormons would say yes (I think)#3 No...there wasn't one. God did not set up a temple untill Moses....Josh B)He covanented with God. Prophets don't pull things out of their rear! God tells them things.. God told Abraham about all of his decendents... Quote
JoshuaFKon Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 He covanented with God. Prophets don't pull things out of their rear! God tells them things.. God told Abraham about all of his decendents...so what you're saying is...Prophets don't need temple work?Josh B) Quote
Princess3dward Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 He covanented with God. Prophets don't pull things out of their rear! God tells them things.. God told Abraham about all of his decendents...so what you're saying is...Prophets don't need temple work?Josh B)I never said that... that was regarding attending church.. remember? Chances are prophets can get it done themselves while they are alive! Quote
JoshuaFKon Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 I never said that... that was regarding attending church.. remember? Chances are prophets can get it done themselves while they are alive!Without a temple?Josh B) Quote
Princess3dward Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 I never said that... that was regarding attending church.. remember? Chances are prophets can get it done themselves while they are alive!Without a temple?Josh B)We have one now! Quote
Brother Dorsey Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 <div class='quotemain'>He covanented with God. Prophets don't pull things out of their rear! God tells them things.. God told Abraham about all of his decendents...so what you're saying is...Prophets don't need temple work?Josh B)I never said that... that was regarding attending church.. remember? Chances are prophets can get it done themselves while they are alive!Desire....JoshuaK is just trying to confuse you.....all Temple work that needs to be done that can't be done now will be done during the millenium...this includes work for the ancient Prophets. The church doesn't allow work to be perfomed for anyone born before the 16th century because it is not accurate.And to JoshuaK....regarding being sealed in the Temple...those that do not marry during their lifetime will marry during the millenium when all will be ressurected...and childern who died will be raised by their parents then too! Cool huh! What a loving God we have! Quote
JoshuaFKon Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 Desire....JoshuaK is just trying to confuse you.....all Temple work that needs to be done that can't be done now will be done during the millenium...this includes work for the ancient Prophets. #1 I am not "trying to confues" anyone#2 If it will be done in the millenium if its not done here....why waste your time, and risk turning people away from Mormonism by doing it now?Josh B) Quote
Maureen Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 ...3 years ago a General Authority was speaking at our Stake Conference, he was relating a story about when he was taking to President Hinkley and the Prophet made the comment "Wouldn't it be nice of all the Priesthood holders of the church were clean shaven?"Why would "clean shaven" Priesthood holders be nice? Was that more of an opinion from Mr. Hinckley due to his own cultural view of what is nice or not? Does God really feel this way, that clean shaven priesthood holders are nicer? If so, why? What has facial hair have to do with goodness or righteousness? Was this statement more of an opportunity to see if priesthood holders would obey without question, to see how much power Mr. Hinckey does hold as a leader of a religious community? There has to be a reason as to why Mr. Hinckley thinks clean shaven men are better or nicer than men with facial hair.M. Quote
sgallan Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 I will tell you my story. 3 years ago a General Authority was speaking at our Stake Conference, he was relating a story about when he was taking to President Hinkley and the Prophet made the comment "Wouldn't it be nice of all the Priesthood holders of the church were clean shaven?", The General Authority then said that if the Prophet of God thought it would be nice then we should think about honoring that. Well, you would not believe what happened....next Sunday every Priesthood holder in my ward shaved clean before church, including myself (I've had a mustache for 22 years)Some observations......1. So in order to be a member in good standing in your faith it is best to be "clean shaven"?2. Are they going to change all of those pictures and paintings of Jesus to be clean shaven as well?3. How about those Apostles and Prophets of the past; will they now be shown as clean shaven?4. Is God really just like conservative western Americans? If so, would it be possible for you to consider that a person like me wouldn't want a year of that heaven, much less an eternity?Just some thoughts..... Quote
BenRaines Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 Saying it would be nice or that it is doctrine are two different things. There is no requirement that we be clean shaven. Current member of our high council has a mustache. Came from a Bishopric where he had the same mustache. Not sure of the importance or significance of it. Ben Raines Quote
sgallan Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 Not sure of the importance or significance of it.Indeed. But there sure do seem to be an awful lot of adherents in this faith and take such off hand comments as gospel. Quote
BenRaines Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 I understand what you are saying but of the 12 million LDS and of those there are about 6 million active I would say that it is a very small minority that even concern themselves with it. I think it is more those who want to find someting wrong with the religion that have an issue with it. Regards, Ben Raines Quote
sgallan Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 I think that depends on what kind of person you are, and where you live. Around here during my last real contacts with this religion they got a new SP who was very much a "clean shaven white shirt with boring tie no R rated movies" sort of guy. Now admittably I wasn't long for this religion what with my lifelong non-belief. But even for the believer in god, who is a convert, or a BIC member, who is less than conservative, and put them into that sort of atmosphere, then you don't have them for long, perhaps lose them altogether, or at the least, lose them for awhile. It happens all of the time. Now I personally don't care if a religion wants it's adherents to wear clown outfits, as long as it doesn't really effect me. But I do have a hard time imagining any possible god as being a lot like conservative western Americans. Quote
Princess3dward Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 Well, you don't believe in God at all.. I joined for spiritual upliftmint... Alot of non-members joined to learn... Why did you join?? Quote
EricM Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 <div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>I joined for the punch.My friend and I make jokes about the mormon punch.. it isn't even mormon punch.. but it is at all of the social events... that it should be trade marked!Is that another thing that is only in Utah???I have no idea what "mormon punch" is.Sherbert put in sprite And a Utah thing? anyone remember jones town? jim jones? anyone...anyone? LOLIt's funny you say that, because my mom (a Mormon) got that punch idea from a non-mormon friend of hers from New Mexico... Quote
Princess3dward Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 Makes you think the non-members intentions.. lol. jk. Quote
sgallan Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 Well, you don't believe in God at all.. I joined for spiritual upliftmint...Alot of non-members joined to learn...Why did you join?? I had a friend who is/was a member. The people were very nice. And it was my last shot at religion. I was a Baptist (on my own without parental involvement) until 13. Then a none believer until my late 30's. Tried this religion for about a year (which is how I am on this board), and it didn't make any more sense than any other religion, nor did I really ever feel anything other than out of place when praying and so on. So I just quit going. At this point in my life (46 now), I see no particular value in religion, nor religious beliefs. Any more questions? :) Quote
Princess3dward Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 Ya... please don't take this wrong.. it is 100% curiosity, I promise! Why did you join this site? What made you come here? Is your friend on this site, and you just came for them? You will find it hard to stop anyones beliefs online, and if you were to suceed, it seems like a waste of time anyway..(Not saying that is why you are here! Sometimes it feels that is why Josh is here though)... Quote
JoshuaFKon Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 (Not saying that is why you are here! Sometimes it feels that is why Josh is here though)...What is that supposed to mean!? Josh B) Quote
Princess3dward Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 You misunderstood THAT??? Quote
JoshuaFKon Posted September 4, 2006 Report Posted September 4, 2006 You misunderstood THAT???I understood what you were saying....it's a rhetorical question.what I mean is......"hey! that's not nice"Josh B) Quote
prisonchaplain Posted September 4, 2006 Author Report Posted September 4, 2006 Of course I personally don't see that you need to go to church, if it makes you that uncomoftable...stay home and read your Bible. Josh B)No.Hebrews tells us that we are not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together. Furthermore, the command of 1 John 4:7-8 is that we are to LOVE one another. We're not told we must like one another, nor feel comfortable with one another. We're to love one another--put up with one another. That means the progressives must put up with the conservatives and vice versa. That means the rules-orientated folk must get along with the 'spirit of the law' group.Christian love takes place in community. Lone Rangers do not do well in the kingdom of God. Living the Christian life can't be done via correspondence. Quote
Princess3dward Posted September 4, 2006 Report Posted September 4, 2006 ................ Would you like me to edit it out?am sorry I hurt your feelings, Josh... but you are mean to!<div class='quotemain'>Of course I personally don't see that you need to go to church, if it makes you that uncomoftable...stay home and read your Bible. Josh B)No.Hebrews tells us that we are not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together. Furthermore, the command of 1 John 4:7-8 is that we are to LOVE one another. We're not told we must like one another, nor feel comfortable with one another. We're to love one another--put up with one another. That means the progressives must put up with the conservatives and vice versa. That means the rules-orientated folk must get along with the 'spirit of the law' group.Christian love takes place in community. Lone Rangers do not do well in the kingdom of God. Living the Christian life can't be done via correspondence. hrmf! Then WHY be a in religion? What is the point?The way you guyz make everything sound, there is no test! Quote
JoshuaFKon Posted September 4, 2006 Report Posted September 4, 2006 ................ Would you like me to edit it out?am sorry I hurt your feelings, Josh... but you are mean to!You didn't hurt my feelings...I'm dissapointed you feel that way of course...but if my feelings got hurt that easily...I'd have left about 10 mintues after I got here. :) I apolgize if you think I am "mean" it wasn't my intention...what did I say that was mean? <div class='quotemain'>Of course I personally don't see that you need to go to church, if it makes you that uncomoftable...stay home and read your Bible. Josh B)No.Hebrews tells us that we are not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together. Furthermore, the command of 1 John 4:7-8 is that we are to LOVE one another. We're not told we must like one another, nor feel comfortable with one another. We're to love one another--put up with one another. That means the progressives must put up with the conservatives and vice versa. That means the rules-orientated folk must get along with the 'spirit of the law' group.Christian love takes place in community. Lone Rangers do not do well in the kingdom of God. Living the Christian life can't be done via correspondence. P.C. Church is benifical yes....is it a sin not to go to church...no.We are also commanded to love our nieghbors...does that mean we have to meet with them every week?hrmf! Then WHY be a in religion? What is the point?eternal life B) The way you guyz make everything sound, there is no test!There is a test...but His yoke is easy...His burden is lightMatthew 11:28-30Josh B) Quote
sgallan Posted September 4, 2006 Report Posted September 4, 2006 Ya... please don't take this wrong.. it is 100% curiosity, I promise!No problem, I did say I'd answer anything.Why did you join this site?What made you come here? Well it was about eight years ago when I first tried out this religion and I am a bit of an internet junkie. The conversation was pretty good, so I have been here on and off since then. Is your friend on this site, and you just came for them?I don't think I know anybody face to face from this site. But a number of people here know me in many ways - from my kid to my athletics to my drug addicted wife - every way save an actual face to face meeting. You will find it hard to stop anyones beliefs online, and if you were to suceed, it seems like a waste of time anyway..(Not saying that is why you are here! Sometimes it feels that is why Josh is here though)...I am not looking for converts. I just see no particular value in religion or religious beliefs for me. That and I just don't believe in god. But if your religion works for you, and doesn't affect me in any adverse way, then I would actually recommend you keep it. Quote
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