JoshuaFKon Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 He is out father on earth.... well... great great great great...ect granfather....Yes, I think we can agree on that...but is he God and/or Michael? Josh B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaFKon Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 No.I was under the impression that Joseph Smith and Current mormon doctrine identified Adam as Michael...you say neither?Josh B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 You won't find it in a doctrinal source, though I see it mentioned occasionally in discussion. And you are mistaken about Adam being God, as well. He was not. EDIT: Some consider Revelations to be talking about Adam and Michael as the same person, but I heard that in a Baptist church, not an LDS one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaFKon Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 You won't find it in a doctrinal source, though I see it mentioned occasionally in discussion. And you are mistaken about Adam being God, as well. He was not. EDIT: Some consider Revelations to be talking about Adam and Michael as the same person, but I heard that in a Baptist church, not an LDS one.I searched for it on LDS.orgthis is what I found:Elder Mark E. PetersenOf the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles"When Michael came into mortality he was known as Adam, the first man, but he was still his own self. Although he was given another name, that of Adam, he did not change his identity.After his mortal death he resumed his position as an angel in the heavens, once again serving as the chief angel, or archangel, and took again his former name of Michael."lds.org - adam michaelJosh B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 I've read the talk; as I said, it is not in any doctrinal source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess3dward Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 I believe he was micheal... but not God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaFKon Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 I've read the talk; as I said, it is not in any doctrinal source.What do you consider a "doctrinal source"? Is not lds.org an offical site?Josh B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess3dward Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 It was still written by a human... I don't mean to be a little Ray mimic.... But I prefer my anwsers from God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 The Church web site has every article written in the past several decades; they are not all doctrine. Check the scriptures for doctrinal answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess3dward Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Nicely said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaFKon Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 The Church web site has every article written in the past several decades; they are not all doctrine. Check the scriptures for doctrinal answers. 11 And also with Michael, or Adam, the father of all, the prince of all, the ancient of days; D&C 27:11I assume the D&C is "doctrine"? Josh B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ApostleKnight Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 What Joshua, are you interpreting that verse from D&C that says Adam is the father of all to mean that LDS doctrine is that Adam is our Heavenly Father? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 What Joshua, are you interpreting that verse from D&C that says Adam is the father of all to mean that LDS doctrine is that Adam is our Heavenly Father?Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess3dward Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 <div class='quotemain'>What Joshua, are you interpreting that verse from D&C that says Adam is the father of all to mean that LDS doctrine is that Adam is our Heavenly Father?Exactly. Ya. That is what I figured he was doing too.lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 That's one he could never make work, though I've read a lot in the last week or so about Adam and Michael being the same person. It would make sense, I suppose. The members I've spoken to seem rather split; some think they may be the same, some do not. None believe that Adam is God, however... B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dorsey Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 <div class='quotemain'>You won't find it in a doctrinal source, though I see it mentioned occasionally in discussion. And you are mistaken about Adam being God, as well. He was not. EDIT: Some consider Revelations to be talking about Adam and Michael as the same person, but I heard that in a Baptist church, not an LDS one.I searched for it on LDS.orgthis is what I found:Elder Mark E. PetersenOf the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles"When Michael came into mortality he was known as Adam, the first man, but he was still his own self. Although he was given another name, that of Adam, he did not change his identity.After his mortal death he resumed his position as an angel in the heavens, once again serving as the chief angel, or archangel, and took again his former name of Michael."lds.org - adam michaelJosh B)Hello once again Joshua.....Yes Adam was Michael the archangel...he was preordained in Heaven to become the fist father of the human race....so in a sense he is the Father of all humans that live or have lived as is Eve, our first Mother.Other LDS can correct me if I'm wrong but in regards to an earlier question about Michael being an angel which is a resurrected being of flesh and bone....someone asked "resurrected from where?", now this is where it might be confusing to a non LDS. As was mentioned in another thread. God the father (Elohiem) was once as we are, he lived a mortal life, and when he died he was resurrected and judged worthy to enter the Celestial kingdom of his God and become a glorified being and receive his inheritance from his God....he became a God, he became our God...those who were righteous but not worthy enough to receive Celestial glory were judged to became our God's (Elohiem's) angels or servants ...one of the first was Michael...he was Gods chief angel, he was the one whom led the forces of God (Elohiem) against Satan and his followers and cast them out of Heaven before the creation of the world. Satan and his followers were denied the privilege of coming to Earth to receive a body...they remain spirits...However, anyone who is born on this earth was a follower of God and fought with Michael to drive Satan from Heaven....they kept their right to receive a body.....so yes, you Joshua fought alongside Michael and the other 2/3rds of Heaven! Now, also you have to understand there are other angels who are resurrected beings from this Earthly life...they were so righteous that they didn't have to wait for the resurrection....Angels such as Moroni, Peter, James, John, John the Baptist, etc., so now they serve God until the final judgement when they will receive their glory....Michael however will always be God's archangel or master servant. Some will say...then if Michael already was a resurrected being, what happened to his body when he came to Earth to be Adam because we all know Adam was created from the dust of the Earth? This I can't answer....you'll have to ask God or someone more knowledgable than I!This is pretty much what I have been taught about Michael and where he came from....and please don't ask me for scripture to support it as I am no scriptorian....this is just something I have pieced together from talks, speeches, and asking questions of the Bishopric, and General Authorities....I have no clue how much of this is doctrine or speculation but it sure makes sense to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 I find that completely ascceptable. Thanks, Bro Do! B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dorsey Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 I find that completely ascceptable. Thanks, Bro Do! B)You are most welcome my brother...and thank you and may God bless you and your family for your years of service to the greatest nation on the Earth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindy Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 It was still written by a human...I don't mean to be a little Ray mimic....But I prefer my anwsers from God.Smart girl :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr T Posted September 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Hey Brother D., Which pres. was it that declared Adam God? Your view of this is interesting. The biblical characters (Peter, James, John, John the Baptist) you say are now angels. It seems like you don't see angels and humans as different creatures. Thanks, Dr. T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess3dward Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 I don't. :) They have bodies. There is a difference though... They are pure... But we will be too! (hopefully). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr T Posted September 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Pure. Would you say that those that fought against God were angels or not? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess3dward Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 They were... now they are jerks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Which pres. was it that declared Adam God? http://www.fairlds.org/apol/ai002.htmlhttp://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/response/qa/adam_god.htmhttp://www.lightplanet.com/response/answers/isgodadam.htm B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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