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[Bini]

How do you understand this image? And do you agree?

[john doe]

It's a shot at Women's Libbers. Many men are afraid to be gentlemen these days because some women excoriate them for it.

[pam]

That's exactly how I took it too.

[LittleWyvern]

I don't really agree with this: it engages in more blame-shifting than I'm comfortable with. Men being men shouldn't be depending on women acting more submissive.

[john doe]

I don't really agree with this: it engages in more blame-shifting than I'm comfortable with. Men being men shouldn't be depending on women acting more submissive.

I agree. A man should be a gentleman no matter whether the woman is a jerk or not about it.

[Guest]

It makes me think of The Sphinx on Mystery Men.

[LittleWyvern]

You don't agree with the idea that men are the head of the household?

Did you read my post? What I tried to say is that men can choose to be men regardless of the circumstances. I have no idea where you got this from.

[pam]

You don't agree with the idea that men are the head of the household?

Actually he never said anything of the sort.

[Guest]

Actually it sounded to me like he didn't like the idea of men waiting for women to take the lead in terms of roles, and they should be gentlemen no matter what.

[LittleWyvern]

sorry, "Men being men shouldn't be depending on women acting more submissive. " it sounded a little like he didn't like the idea of women sitting down and being submissive.

Firstly, I meant to type "shouldn't be dependent on," and

Second, I said nothing about women acting submissive being a good or bad thing. I'm only saying that men can't blame them being less like men because women aren't submissive enough. You're trying to draw an argument out of somewhere that it doesn't exist.

[Guest]

Are you saying I'm fat?

[pam]

Are you saying I'm fat?

You could drink whole milk if you'd like to.

[Dravin]

If you want a traditional behavior dynamic then you need traditional behavior. *shrug*

[MorningStar]

How do you understand this image? And do you agree?

What I got from this is that if a man opens a door for me, I should sit down on the ground iimmediately. I think that's a good idea.

[Guest SquidMom]

Being a lady doesn't equal being submissive. It means allowing someone to treat you with the respect you deserve, and in certain situations, should be expected, such as dating. If a man holds a door for me, even a stranger, I walk through and say thank you. But I don't stand at a door waiting, either. I don't think we should discourage men from being gentlemen and showing respect to women.... However, there is a line where it becomes innappropriate, such as where they order food for you (if they don't know you well enough) or don't take your thoughts and opinions seriously. I admit that for some men it can be confusing.

[LittleWyvern]

just out of curiosity, do you think women should be submissive? That was my original question anyways, not trying to pick a fight, just a simple question.

This is a vague question. I prefer to view men's vs. women's role from the aim that men and women should be equal partners with different roles in any relationship. So, I think reviewing the relationship and asking if both partners and their roles are treated with mutual respect is more important than worrying about submissiveness. It's more of a top-down approach than the bottom-up approach you're making. However, if I were to say something about submissiveness, I view either extreme as equally bad.

[pam]

Now that's love. **Referring to remarks made by changed.

[classylady]

How do you understand this image? And do you agree?

Maybe, I'm just not getting it. I don't see why sitting would be submissive.

[MarginOfError]

just out of curiosity, do you think women should be submissive? That was my original question anyways, not trying to pick a fight, just a simple question.

No, I don't think they should be*. I think they should be equal partners in the decisions that affect their families.

* At least no more submissive than men should be.

[Wingnut]

I didn't think of it as a reference to feminists, but rather to women who have forgotten how to be feminine. Women who use foul language, can't keep their legs crossed, or a number of other things have forgotten what it means to be a lady. Being a lady doesn't have to mean wearing a hoop skirt and embroidering all day. But it's easy for men to forget how to treat women with chivalry when women don't act feminine anymore.

[Backroads]

Ah, heck, my browser doesn't like the image.