ninjahobbit8 Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 she looks like a cool person from her profile. I'm attempting to collect little dragon statues...only problem is finding them, money, and room for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest the_big_picture Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 not really, sorry if you felt that way! to a sense, because it seemed kinda like a random to base a gospel thing off of...dragons....they're awesome anyways! do you like dragons? eh...taking away from the topic...how do you find information like that? the pyramids, anyways?Yes I like dragons, at least the asian type that is good and protecting. I found it thrue singel research, Im a history geek.I wish they could change the title on this thread, i wrote to fast so its misspelled, it suppose to be advice.Its a mark of shame:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr T Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 It happens. I miss a letter here and there quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest the_big_picture Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 It happens. I miss a letter here and there quite a bit.Yeah all do, but I miss evereything, English is my 4th language so I use a bad grammar to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjahobbit8 Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 It happens. I miss a letter here and there quite a bit.me too. Curse our dependancy on spell check!!! but then again, i naturally spell bad...but i'm better than others i've seen which i sad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr T Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 What languages Big Pic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest the_big_picture Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 persian swedish german, now I speak English as well, but its bad english... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjahobbit8 Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 persian swedish german, now I speak English as well, but its bad english...wow! how long did it take you to learn? i'm attempting to learn french and some japanese...but...which ones's your first language? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest the_big_picture Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 <div class='quotemain'>persian swedish german, now I speak English as well, but its bad english...wow! how long did it take you to learn? i'm attempting to learn french and some japanese...but...which ones's your first language?It isnt as hard as you might think, english and german and swedish are very similiar. English and swedish is basicly german, much like spanish and italian are latin languages.Japanese, it suppose to be the easiest language to learn. chinese the hardest, but i cant see a diffrence.my first one is persian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjahobbit8 Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 yeah, romantic languages are supposted to have a lot in common. I heard that Japanese is one of the hardest to learn! it's fairly easy for me to learn, it's just that i remember the priciples but not all the words, if that makes sense. How do you compair languages by difficulty anyways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjahobbit8 Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 interesting how i totally got this conversation to come out completely off of what the original topic was... only one thing left to do...DANCE!!! *dances in chair* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest the_big_picture Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 yeah, romantic languages are supposted to have a lot in common. I heard that Japanese is one of the hardest to learn! it's fairly easy for me to learn, it's just that i remember the priciples but not all the words, if that makes sense. How do you compair languages by difficulty anyways?Wasnt it japanese that didnt have any grammar? like theres no mother mom mothers, but mikaze for all nothing changes?I have no idea how they find out wich one is the hardest.......Yeah how did you change the subject, I had to think for a minute before I remembered what this thread is about:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 I thought you were saying that they were erected and still exist today. That didn't make sense. Thank you. Wouldn't they still be around today? Remnants, artifacts that are large, currency, other signs of civilization? Roads, etc.? Like in the Bible times.Actually if you check the link I provided it demonstrates that there are clear evidences of ancient cultures in the US, including large pyramid-shaped mounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixpacktr Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Japanese, it suppose to be the easiest language to learn. chinese the hardest, but i cant see a diffrence.I am supposing Japanese is easier for you, since Persion is your first language? For us English speakers, it is like the 3rd hardest language, after Navajo and one of the Nordic languages (Swedish, Danish, Norwegian??) because while Japanese has no real exceptions to the grammer rules (only about 20), they say everything BACKWARDS. "I hit the ball" becomes "I the ball hit". It takes a while for your brain to get used to having the verb at the end. Never mind the transitive/intransitives, the endings to the verbs, when to use wa and when to use ga, etc.Been learning it for over 28 years, and still feel tongue tied... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixpacktr Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Six,Really? It is known where the wondering took place. Just as the cities can be found today. There are markers, rivers and regions. That is not the same at all sir.Hey T,I'll have to find where I read that at (it has been rather recent, the last year or two). Just so you know, I do believe that the Exodus took place, that it isn't a fairy tale. We know where these people were, and yet there is no archealogical evidence (food scraps, pottery, fabric, etc) to "prove" they were actually there. It is still based upon faith (imagine that! :) )That was my point on the BOM "proof" that it really never happened. Just because we can't see today doesn't mean it didn't actually happen.Another case in point, and this is completely off topic, but I'll make my point with it. When I attended BYU in the 80s, I went to the dollar theatre with my wife to watch some movie (don't remember it now, but I digress) from the 30s or 40s that had been filmed in technicolor or some other type of color that was cool at the time. Less than 30-40 years later, the art form for coloring movies in that way was lost (per the person presenting the movie) and they couldn't figure out how to do it. My point is that with only 30-40 years separating this type of technique we couldn't recreate it, and then someone tries to prove the BOM is false because they can't find something they think should be there from a civilization that ended 1600 years ago...In the words of Mr. Spock: it isn't logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dorsey Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Here's a great example of a North American pyramid...it's in upstate New York and in the early half of the 19th century a wonderful record was found there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjahobbit8 Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 so that's what they look like....intreging.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny15 Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Dr. T. There is plenty of evicence of the BoM. Look up the Izapa Stella 5. It's a stone that depicts the tree of life. The lehi picture has a glyph of a jaw bone wich translated means lehi and the nephi figure has a grain headdress the egyptian grain god was named nepi. This was all found in ancent america. Plus the stone pyramids and many other things. Just do some research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldsrebel Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 I tell em' to go to LDS.org.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKairos Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 To compare archeolgy in Israel to Central and South America is grossly misleading. Climate, climate, climate. Dry, arid vs. damp, tropical. One lends itself to preserving artifacts, the other to rotting and eroding artifacts. The size of the Holy Land can't compare to South America, let alone Central America too. To think we've searched every corner of the Americas for ruins and traces of ancient civilizations is ridiculous. Also ridiculous is to rule out the possibility of such ruins existing without having searched everywhere first. That's like saying, "The Garden of Eden didn't exist on this planet because we haven't found any proof that it did." That's why prayer is the surest and fastest way to know whether the teachings in the Book of Mormon are true or not, and whether Joseph Smith did translate them or fabricate them. If we need archeology to prove the Bible's teachings or the Book of Mormon's teachings we're up a creek (don't ask me how pottery shards and bone fragments prove that Book of Mormon prophets were right when they preached that Christ is Savior). To suspend judgment about the Book of Mormon's teachings until all possible archeological sites are explored is ludicrous, in my opinion. Why trust the arm of flesh? Why not go straight to the source: God? By the by, the Book of Mormon is not supposed to be another history book or another anthropology book...it's Another Testament of Jesus Christ. What has archeology to do with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orrinjelo Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 Dr. T.There is plenty of evicence of the BoM. Look up the Izapa Stella 5. It's a stone that depicts the tree of life. The lehi picture has a glyph of a jaw bone wich translated means lehi and the nephi figure has a grain headdress the egyptian grain god was named nepi. This was all found in ancent america. Plus the stone pyramids and many other things. Just do some research.Hey! I was gonna suggest that. It's pretty cool. Have you ever seen "Journey of Faith?" You can get it from the FARMS website, I think. It's amazing! They show a bunch of archaeological stuff about Lehi's journey in the old world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr T Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 Thank you all for your comments. I'm just saying that the Bible has been shown over and over to be an accurate representation on many issues (people, places, etc) that can still be found today. I know you have faith that the BOM is true like I have faith that the Bible is true. It comes down to faith. I agree. I'm just saying there are real evidences of the bible, not some things that "can be" a pyramid that looks like a hill. The egyptian pyramids have been around for more than 1600 years and they still look like pyramids. That's all I'm saying. Thank you for pointing out the climate differences CK. I understand that. I also understand that no counter evidence that it cannot scholarly be supported will phase any of your beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mamacat Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 i have found books in a local bookstore with enormous scholarly geographical reference corresponding to the mormon scriptures. (i couldn't afford to purchase them though.) why do you wish to phase LDS beliefs Dr. T? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr T Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 Various reasons that I'm picking up as I learn about Christianity from Bible reading Cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Yediyd Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 Thank you all for your comments. I'm just saying that the Bible has been shown over and over to be an accurate representation on many issues (people, places, etc) that can still be found today. I know you have faith that the BOM is true like I have faith that the Bible is true. It comes down to faith. I agree. I'm just saying there are real evidences of the bible, not some things that "can be" a pyramid that looks like a hill. The egyptian pyramids have been around for more than 1600 years and they still look like pyramids. That's all I'm saying. Thank you for pointing out the climate differences CK. I understand that. I also understand that no counter evidence that it cannot scholarly be supported will phase any of your beliefs.You are right, Dr. T...because it would not matter to me if their was NOT A SHRED of evidence to the validity of the BoM, I would still embrace it with my whole heart and soul, because the BoM has changed my life, and I spent my whole life before LDS (3 yrs a convert) in a southern Baptist church. I never had a testimony of the Spirit until I read through the BoM, and this after memerizing 33 chapters of the Bible! The Holy Spirit is real...He is all the evidence I need.<div class='quotemain'>Thank you all for your comments. I'm just saying that the Bible has been shown over and over to be an accurate representation on many issues (people, places, etc) that can still be found today. I know you have faith that the BOM is true like I have faith that the Bible is true. It comes down to faith. I agree. I'm just saying there are real evidences of the bible, not some things that "can be" a pyramid that looks like a hill. The egyptian pyramids have been around for more than 1600 years and they still look like pyramids. That's all I'm saying. Thank you for pointing out the climate differences CK. I understand that. I also understand that no counter evidence that it cannot scholarly be supported will phase any of your beliefs.You are right, Dr. T...because it would not matter to me if their was NOT A SHRED of evidence to the validity of the BoM, I would still embrace it with my whole heart and soul, because the BoM has changed my life, and I spent my whole life before LDS (3 yrs a convert) in a southern Baptist church. I never had a testimony of the Spirit until I read through the BoM, and this after memerizing 33 chapters of the Bible! The Holy Spirit is real...He is all the evidence I need.and btw, the intament knowledge that I have of the Bible was also part of my conversion...I've read the Bible cover to cover so many times that I lost count and stoped counting back in the 80's, I know it is over 30 and the Bible came back to me and testified to me of the validity of the BoM. Isaiah 55:11, ...My words shall not return void. They didn't, God's words are my proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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