carlimac Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 LDS Church: Aims of 'Ordain Women' detract from dialogue | Deseret NewsI thought the graphs were especially telling. Oh well. To each his/her own. Some people just have to rock the boat for a little attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlimac Posted March 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Oops, meant to post this under general discussion. Mods can change it if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estradling75 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Moved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meerkatarmy Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Good on them. I question the meaningfulness of any discussion without women involved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 What makes you think women have no part in discussion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I thought the letter itself was worded very well and was quite conciliatory in tone. It's a shame that DesNews and KSL chose to present it primarily as a smackdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meerkatarmy Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 What makes you think women have no part in discussion?I'll eat my crusty socks if the discussion doesn't take place in a meeting where only priest hood are allowed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
applepansy Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I'll eat my crusty socks if the discussion doesn't take place in a meeting where only priest hood are allowedI wouldn't be one bit surprised to find that the RS and YW presidencies are involved in discussions. :) And, why wouldn't they be? Women have been in Leadership roles in the church since the RS was organized. Their opinions and responses are valued. I would be shocked if the General RS President said they were shut out of meetings about the role of Women in the church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlimac Posted March 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I thought the letter itself was worded very well and was quite conciliatory in tone. It's a shame that DesNews and KSL chose to present it primarily as a smackdown.Depends on what you mean by a smackdown. I think the letter was pretty straightforward."Women in the Church, by a very large majority, do not share your advocacy for priesthood ordination for women and consider that position to be extreme.""Your organization has again publicized its intention to demonstrate on TempleSquare during the April 5 priesthood session. Activist events like this detract fromthe sacred environment of Temple Square and the spirit of harmony sought atGeneral Conference. Please reconsider."That's not flowery RS language. That's just plain old telling it like it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 My husband and I always discuss what was talked about in the Priesthood meeting. We can watch it online if we want to. It's in the Ensign the month after conference. We're not banned from any discussion.I don't see why men can't have a meeting where they discuss things pertaining to their roles and callings and specific issues and bond as brothers. Women do their "own" things all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlimac Posted March 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I'll eat my crusty socks if the discussion doesn't take place in a meeting where only priest hood are allowedLike I said...some people just like to rock the boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingnut Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I thought the letter itself was worded very well and was quite conciliatory in tone. It's a shame that DesNews and KSL chose to present it primarily as a smackdown.I very much agree, on both counts.I'll eat my crusty socks if the discussion doesn't take place in a meeting where only priest hood are allowedTo be fair, the priesthood session of General Conference (heck, all sessions of General Conference) are not discussion-like at all. They are instructional. Less "class participation," more "professor lecture." Also, to be fair, men are not allowed into the Conference Center during the Women's session of Conference, except for the First Presidency.Meerkatarmy, you'll find me to be one of the more liberal members of the board, and I've been quite vocal about increased rights and visibility for women in the Church. I try to stay somewhat objective (some may disagree with that :) ), and this is an issue that I have a hard time with at present. I understand and sympathize with both sides. I feel the desires are righteous, but the methods are, perhaps, not well thought out and somewhat lacking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meerkatarmy Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I have no desire to hold the pristhood I just respect people that stand up for what they believe in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dahlia Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 This people always want it both ways - priesthood for women, but men stay out of RS because the women need their 'space.' On campuses it's separate organizations for minorities, but heaven help you if all of the other organizations don't have minority members. I'm getting kinda tired of it. btw - Are these women being disingenuous when they say the support the Church and its leaders and then do this stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meerkatarmy Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I have never seen anything that they have written that says they don't want men in RS.As a uni student at my uni at least there is not rule you have to have minority members or anything like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meerkatarmy Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Hough to be fair I'd do anything to get out of RS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy740 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Here's the problem I would see if women held the priesthood:Men would no longer participate and contribute. Why? Women just do it better. There would be less of a feeling of 'need' and 'belonging' and 'duty' because there are typically a LOT more women at church who could then fulfill these duties.No, it wouldn't happen 'all at once', but it would be a gradually increasing problem.Without men needing to hold the priesthood, would they strive to be worthy holders of the priesthood - ready and willing to give a blessing as faithful home teachers? I would guess that the desire, drive, and duty to do so would be reduced.Of course, later on, where would you draw the line of 'who goes to Elder's Quorum?" and "who gets to go to Relief Society?"Just some thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlimac Posted March 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Hough to be fair I'd do anything to get out of RSYou don't need an excuse. Just get out if you want to. I know that's not the Lord will for you but you do have your free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meerkatarmy Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 RS is good and the teachedr was awesome this week it is just the old bats that make really igronant remarks that make me want to strangle them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dahlia Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 There are rules and there are demands. People get awfully snippy if they feel they aren't represented in student orgs across the spectrum. Yet, there are separate spaces for minorities (usually blacks) at many schools, including public universities, which shouldn't allow it since they take tax dollars. I will sometimes use the word 'uni' as I've picked it up from the Brits and Canadians on an academic message board I'm on, however, Americans don't really use it. Since you did use it, perhaps you are British or Canadian and aren't familiar with the racial issues on US campuses?Re men in RS, I was making a statement based on a lifetime of experience regarding women complaining about stuff and then demanding the exact opposite for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meerkatarmy Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Usally blacks?! Hmm I am seeing big differences between the UK and US.Where I am from we use evidence and facts to back up our opinions not just tired old arguments with no factual base Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlimac Posted March 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 RS is good and the teachedr was awesome this week it is just the old bats that make really igronant remarks that make me want to strangle themThose old bats have most likely been on this earth a whole lot longer than you. Maybe you should respect their life experience a little more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meerkatarmy Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Those old bats have most likely been on this earth a whole lot longer than you. Maybe you should respect their life experience a little more.Age doesn't equal wisdom as pointed out by some of the remarks the make. Homeles people are willful sinners, judgemental statements about people with disabilities etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estradling75 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I have no desire to hold the pristhood I just respect people that stand up for what they believe inCorrection you respect people that stand up for what you believe in... I think you would show a whole lot less respect to people who stand up for something you disagree with...RS is good and the teachedr was awesome this week it is just the old bats that make really igronant remarks that make me want to strangle themding ding ding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dravin Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Usally blacks?! Hmm I am seeing big differences between the UK and US.Where I am from we use evidence and facts to back up our opinions not just tired old arguments with no factual baseReally?I'll eat my crusty socks if the discussion doesn't take place in a meeting where only priest hood are allowedIs threatening to eat crusty socks if you are incorrect what passes for the use of evidence and facts in the UK?I have never seen anything that they have written that says they don't want men in RS.As a uni student at my uni at least there is not rule you have to have minority members or anything like thatEvidence and facts? I'm sure it exists, one could easily find a suitable citation, but I don't see it here. Unless we're accepting you citing your experience, but that's exactly what Dahlia did and it appears to be objectionable to you.RS is good and the teachedr was awesome this week it is just the old bats that make really igronant remarks that make me want to strangle themWhere is the evidence and facts that RS is good and that your teacher was awesome this week? We have a similar situation to the above concerning using personal experience as a satisfactory form of evidence.You may indeed use evidence and fact where you are from to back up opinions, but rather amusingly, there is no evidence of that in your posts. Which leaves me wondering where the evidence and fact is to back up your opinion that where you are from you use evidence and fact to back up your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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