The Timing of Testimony...and the changing world of information?

[Pa Pa]

I really messed this post up...so I will try another approach. :)

Edited January 2, 2015 by Pa Pa

[The Folk Prophet]

...that God did not already know?

 

What?

[Pa Pa]

Whatever we find that is puzzling, we need not be shaken, because at the time we were converted. The puzzling or difficult news, God already knew everything and if there are things about his flaws, he knowing knew still gave us our testimony. Maybe you cloud show mw what I messed up...I would welcome the help.

Edited January 2, 2015 by Pa Pa

[Vort]

Pa Pa, I'm not sure what your question is exactly. Joseph Smith certainly was a man and thus imperfect, as the rest of us are. But he was a chosen vessel, called of God. Whatever his shortcomings and human foolishness, I am convinced that he was worthy of his calling and that he had no major moral failings, as some have suggested. As Joseph himself said,

 

Although I do wrong, I do not the wrongs that I am charged with doing: the wrong that I do is through the frailty of human nature, like other men. No man lives without fault.

[Pa Pa]

Pa Pa, I'm not sure what your question is exactly. Joseph Smith certainly was a man and thus imperfect, as the rest of us are. But he was a chosen vessel, called of God. Whatever his shortcomings and human foolishness, I am convinced that he was worthy of his calling and that he had no major moral failings, as some have suggested. As Joseph himself said,

 

Although I do wrong, I do not the wrongs that I am charged with doing: the wrong that I do is through the frailty of human nature, like other men. No man lives without fault.

I am speaking of receiving a testimony from God that the BoM was the word of God and Joseph Smith is and was a Prophet. Many have left the Church who claimed to have had a testimony until they found out A or B or C. The point being what they have found out was nothing "new" to God, when he reveled that the Church is true. If this does not clear up what I am say...I will go back and see where my error was or delete my comments. Most of the time I type on and IPAD, due to serious injury to my back. I apologize my errors.

[sxfritz]

You are saying you received your testimony from God, with God knowing all things about Joseph Smith, so why should there be doubt now that YOU know more than you did then.

 

I think you are answering your own question.

[Pa Pa]

You are saying you received your testimony from God, with God knowing all things about Joseph Smith, so why should there be doubt now that YOU know more than you did then.

 

I think you are answering your own question.

I do not doubt...I'll try again later. I am speaking of those who lose faith after,learning something that shocks them. My "point" is God knew all when he gave them a testimony. So if Joseph, the BoM and the Church were true before they learned something new, it is new now.

[priesthoodpower]

I think I can relate a personal story as many of us probably can.

Growing up as a kid my grandfather was the most holiest man I knew, he was the spiritual foundation for my extended family of aunts and uncles, he would gather us all together once a month and hold Family home evenings to make sure the bond of our family was always strong. When I was a teenager he was in his 70's and a patriarch for the stake. He passed away in 2009. Over recent years my mother told me bits of stories about my grandfather. My mother saw the 25 yr old grandpa, the 30,40,50 year old grandpa, I only knew the 60-90 yr old grandpa. He was consistently an over all good LDS member but it was hard for me to believe some of his actions that he did in his younger days.

My father was an alcoholic and womanizer as a young adult, as soon as he had kids he straightened up, took our family to the temple to be sealed when I was a child, gave me and my brothers the priesthood and sent us off to our missions. He always put on a good example for our family. When I heard about his stories as a young single man I was in shock and couldnt believe it.