Reid and Abortion

[cdowis]

“The Republican bill pretends to be for women’s health, but it would prohibit federal funds to go to an organization that is the health care backbone for American women during their lives. In fact, it is the only health care that a significant number of women get. For about 30 percent of women, that’s their health care.”

— Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.), Senate floor speech, July 29, 2015

 

I guess he is too busy to watch the videos.  This is from the latest video.

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O’Donnell, who has been featured in previous videos, describes a co-worker showing her a beating heart in an aborted baby.

“‘Hey Holly, come over here, I want you to see something kinda cool. It’s kinda neat,’” O’Donnell said the coworker told her. “So I’m over here, and the moment I see it I’m just flabbergasted. This is the most gestated fetus and the closest thing to a baby that I’ve seen. And she’s like, ‘Okay I want to show you something.’ And she has one of her instruments and she just taps the heart and it starts beating and I’m sitting here and I’m looking at this fetus and its heart is beating and I don’t know what to think.”

Following the demonstration, O’Donnell said she and the co-worker cut the face of the baby open and dissected its brain.  http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/19/baby-heart-still-beating-after-abortion-doctor-says-in-new-anti-abortion-video/?intcmp=hpbt3

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Anyway, the Washington Post fact checked Reid's excuse for supporting Planned Parenthood, and concluded " we’re going to award Four Pinocchios"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2015/08/05/harry-reids-incorrect-claim-that-30-percent-of-women-rely-on-planned-parenthood-for-health-care/

 

NOTE to admins: Harry Reid is not a candidate for any office, declaring that he will not run for another term.

 

NOTE from admins:  Yes we are aware of this.  :)

Edited August 19, 2015 by pam

[Windseeker]

I really don't understand how this guy gets away with it.

 

I guess you can believe and support any evil you want and remain a member in good standing, as long as you don't attack the Church and it's Leaders directly.

 

It really presses the need to constantly check and evaluate yourself against the light you've been given.

[cdowis]

I remember an interview with Reid when he first became the leader in the Senate.  When asked about how his religion would affect him, he specifically stated that abortion was a line that he would never cross.  In this case, he would probably argue that this is a woman's health issue, and has nothing to do with abortion.

 

Considering that he admitted lying about Romney ("he wasn't elected, was he"), this is just another step for him down this road.  He is now lying to himself.

 

Someone posted in another forum about a chance meeting in an elevator. He asked Reid whether he was concerned about the Mormons, he basically responded, "I don't care what they think about me. They're not going to vote for me anyway."

 

He made it quite clear he just doesn't care what we think about him.

Edited August 19, 2015 by cdowis

[Guest]

What about the fabulous Obamacare, that was going to provide healthcare for everyone?

 

Another thing. Right now we're poor as church mice. Do you know where I've been getting my healthcare? At the county Health & Welfare office. It's not a lot different from going to my old OB/GYN, except I have to swallow my pride a little. They charge on a sliding scale. Last time I paid next to nothing. 

 

Planned Parenthood is not the "backbone" of women's care for those who can't afford what we're all supposed to be able to afford under Obamacare. It may be the most well-known, but it's not the only option.

 

I believe Judge Judy said, "Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.".

[Guest]

Nothing that Reid said in your quote goes against his covenants.

 

There is nothing in our covenants that say we cannot give our money to an organization that does both good and bad, as evidenced by our Church's support of the payment of federal and state taxes, a lot of which go to the support of projects contrary to Church teachings.

 

Also, just because somebody is pro-choice does not mean that somebody will, himself, make the choice to abort.

 

We can argue about Reid's character.  But we can't say he is not qualified to hold membership in our Church.  That, as always, remains between himself and the Lord through the discernment of his Bishop.

[Windseeker]

Nothing that Reid said in your quote goes against his covenants.

 

There is nothing in our covenants that say we cannot give our money to an organization that does both good and bad, as evidenced by our Church's support of the payment of federal and state taxes, a lot of which go to the support of projects contrary to Church teachings.

 

Also, just because somebody is pro-choice does not mean that somebody will, himself, make the choice to abort.

 

We can argue about Reid's character.  But we can't say he is not qualified to hold membership in our Church.  That, as always, remains between himself and the Lord through the discernment of his Bishop.

 

 

If I gave all the money I earned aside from my tithing and spent every waking moment of my personal time outside of my Church callings to invest in a sex trafficking ring that kidnapped underage American girls and shipped them to ISIS where they were submitted to untold horrors and death as a prayer to Allah, would I be breaking my covenants? 

[Guest]

If I gave all the money I earned aside from my tithing and spent every waking moment of my personal time outside of my Church callings to invest in a sex trafficking ring that kidnapped underage American girls and shipped them to ISIS where they were submitted to untold horrors and death as a prayer to Allah, would I be breaking my covenants? 

 

Yes.  That's not Planned Parenthood.

Edited August 19, 2015 by anatess

[Windseeker]

How is it breaking covenants? I'm not obeying the law of the land?

 

Ok, well what if my buddy Harry Reid made it legal?....

 

How would I be breaking my covenants?

[Windseeker]

Well..I believe I most certainly would be breaking my covenants even if I didn't participate directly. 

“There hasn’t been any litmus test or standard imposed that you couldn’t support that if you want to support it, if that’s your belief and you think it’s right,” Christofferson said after a Jan. 27 news conference.

Christofferson made the point again in a Trib Talk interview Jan. 29.

“We have individual members in the church with a variety of different opinions, beliefs and positions on these issues and other issues,” Christofferson said. ” … In our view, it doesn’t really become a problem unless someone is out attacking the church and its leaders — if that’s a deliberate and persistent effort and trying to get others to follow them, trying to draw others away, trying to pull people, if you will, out of the church or away from its teachings and doctrines.” ~ Elder Christofferson

 

Like I said..a member of this Church can indirectly and even possibly directly support any Horrendous Evil and need not be concerned he is endangering his Church membership. 

 

My point is your membership\calling\etc is not a guarantee of Exaltation.

 

There will be a reckoning..however and I'm sure there are many members that will be surprised. 

[Guest]

How is it breaking covenants? I'm not obeying the law of the land?

 

Ok, well what if my buddy Harry Reid made it legal?....

 

How would I be breaking my covenants?

 

What are you talking about?  Legality or illegality of an action does not dictate whether it breaks covenants or not.  We know this.

[The Folk Prophet]

What are you talking about?  Legality or illegality of an action does not dictate whether it breaks covenants or not.  We know this.

 

I believe that was his point.

[Guest]

Well..I believe I most certainly would be breaking my covenants even if I didn't participate directly. 

 

Like I said..a member of this Church can indirectly and even possibly directly support any Horrendous Evil and need not be concerned he is endangering his Church membership. 

 

My point is your membership\calling\etc is not a guarantee of Exaltation.

 

There will be a reckoning..however and I'm sure there are many members that will be surprised. 

 

You sound like you believe the Church will not address "Horrendous Evil" unless it is a direct attack on the Church.

 

"I really don't understand how this guy gets away with it.

 

I guess you can believe and support any evil you want and remain a member in good standing, as long as you don't attack the Church and it's Leaders directly."

 

That is an accusation not only of Reid's covenants but also of Church leadership.  And this kind of talk is not only wholly inaccurate but does more harm than it does any good in these types of discussions.

[Guest]

I believe that was his point.

 

I don't understand how that is in light of this statement:

 

 

I really don't understand how this guy gets away with it.

 

I guess you can believe and support any evil you want and remain a member in good standing, as long as you don't attack the Church and it's Leaders directly.

 

Edited August 19, 2015 by anatess

[Windseeker]

You sound like you believe the Church will not address "Horrendous Evil" unless it is a direct attack on the Church.

 

"I really don't understand how this guy gets away with it.

 

I guess you can believe and support any evil you want and remain a member in good standing, as long as you don't attack the Church and it's Leaders directly."

 

That is an accusation not only of Reid's covenants but also of Church leadership.  And this kind of talk is not only wholly inaccurate but does more harm than it does any good in these types of discussions.

 

 

You can simply take it as thinking out loud....and just so ya know, I do know how he gets away with it...and yes...he is absolutely getting away with it...for now.

 

....and as I stated if I held Reid's positions despite the light, knowledge and understanding I have been blessed with, I would fully expect to be cast out of Heavenly Fathers presence. But I don't know what he knows so I'm certainly an imperfect judge of the outcome...but I can still judge his positions as Evil..pure and simple.

 

The Quote from an Apostle proves my point, as the Church is not the thought\intention police, they let people govern themselves.

 

So let us govern ourselves and work out our salvation with fear and trembling.

[The Folk Prophet]

I don't understand how that is in light of this statement:

 

It's called sarcasm.

[Guest]

You can simply take it as thinking out loud....and just so ya know, I do know how he gets away with it...and yes...he is absolutely getting away with it...for now.

 

....and as I stated if I held Reid's positions despite the light, knowledge and understanding I have been blessed with, I would fully expect to be cast out of Heavenly Fathers presence. But I don't know what he knows so I'm certainly an imperfect judge of the outcome...but I can still judge his positions as Evil..pure and simple.

 

The Quote from an Apostle proves my point, as the Church is not the thought\intention police, they let people govern themselves.

 

So let us govern ourselves and work out our salvation with fear and trembling.

 

 

It's called sarcasm.

 

 

Ugh!  You have to pardon me on this.  I soooooo suck at sarcasm.  And double entendres.  And even just plain figures of speeches.  I easily get lost unless its coming at my head like a hammer... and then it's still up in the air if I even get it.

[Windseeker]

No worries Anatess. My writing style is no where near standard, I think aloud when I speak too, something that has taken my wife a while to get used to.

 

But reflecting on the impact a persons views can have on others and society as a whole has lead me to a personal revelation on how I ought to gauge my standing with Heavenly Father and for me simply going to Church and attending my meetings is not sufficient indication of where my heart lies and how the ripples of my life affect those around me. 

[The Folk Prophet]

Ugh!  You have to pardon me on this.  I soooooo suck at sarcasm.  And double entendres.  And even just plain figures of speeches.  I easily get lost unless its coming at my head like a hammer... and then it's still up in the air if I even get it.

 

Here's a hint. If someone who is generally conservative says something that is ridiculously liberal...it might be sarcasm.

[Guest]

Here's a hint. If someone who is generally conservative says something that is ridiculously liberal...it might be sarcasm.

 

But that means I'm going to have to remember who is conservative and who is liberal (after I figure out what they really mean by conservative and liberal, of course).

Edited August 19, 2015 by anatess

[Palerider]

I remember an interview with Reid when he first became the leader in the Senate.  When asked about how his religion would affect him, he specifically stated that abortion was a line that he would never cross.  In this case, he would probably argue that this is a woman's health issue, and has nothing to do with abortion.

 

Considering that he admitted lying about Romney ("he wasn't elected, was he"), this is just another step for him down this road.  He is now lying to himself.

 

Someone posted in another forum about a chance meeting in an elevator. He asked Reid whether he was concerned about the Mormons, he basically responded, "I don't care what they think about me. They're not going to vote for me anyway."

 

He made it quite clear he just doesn't care what we think about him.

Rest assured and I am sure you know it .......there have been plenty of Mormons who have voted for him over the years ... He knows it too.

[Vort]

Rest assured and I am sure you know it .......there have been plenty of Mormons who have voted for him over the years ... He knows it too.

I bet that most Mormons who voted for Reid are the type of people who are happy and proud not to be classified with the rest of those Mormons. They would probably take the statement "You don't vote like a Mormon" as a compliment.

[Capitalist_Oinker]

This post will no doubt draw some censure, and perhaps it's deserved; but barring a face to face confrontation with an angel and a flaming sword, I would resign before I signed a temple recommend for Harry Reid. 

[Traveler]

I think we need to be careful in going too far with politics to making specific individuals a personal vendetta.   In general I find democrats to be far more honest than republicans.   I seldom agree with anything a democrat says but at least I know that they will do, for the most part, what they say publically they are trying to accomplish.  The republicans on the other hand seem to say all the things I agree with but once in office do almost the opposite of what they said they would do.

 

As far as I know Senator Reed is a member in good standing and when it comes to getting legislation through the senate – he accomplishes what he says publicly that he will do.  And as far as I know he does not waver an inch from his publically declared course.  I do not know of a single republican for whom I could say the same thing or even something close.  I do not agree with Reed – but I trust his word more than any republican.

[Windseeker]

  I do not agree with Reed – but I trust his word more than any republican.

 

You're kidding right? You trust a word of someone who embodies Saul Alinsky's the end justifies the means?

 

 

The bogus claim created a media firestorm at the time, and earned Reid a "pants on fire" rating from PolitiFact and "four Pinocchios" from Washington Post Fact Checker Glenn Kessler, who wrote that Reid "has no basis to make his incendiary claim" and should "hold himself to a high standard of accuracy when making claims about political opponents."

When asked about it three years later, you would think Reid would apologize or at least show the proper level of contrition that matches the irresponsible and undignified act of using the Senate floor to spread false allegations about a politician from the opposing party.

But Reid has no regrets. "I don't regret that at all," he told CNN's Dana Bash on Tuesday in the interview clip above. "Romney didn't win did he?"

 

 

I agree Reid is a much better representative of his constituents than the current crop of Republicans, but the big difference is Republicans tend to eat their own and because of that tend to be less hypocritical. Democrats caught in the worst corruption will never hold each other accountable. 

[Traveler]

You're kidding right? You trust a word of someone who embodies Saul Alinsky's the end justifies the means?

 

 

 

I agree Reid is a much better representative of his constituents than the current crop of Republicans, but the big difference is Republicans tend to eat their own and because of that tend to be less hypocritical. Democrats caught in the worst corruption will never hold each other accountable. 

 

My point is that if Senator Read says he will do something or stop something - he means what he says and he will back what he says with actual acion.  Tell me one - just one Republican that does that.  Repbublicans say they will ballance the budget - they have full power the the Senat and the House to do exactly that - tell me the last time the Republicians at the federal level blananced any budget.  States have to balance their budget because they cannot print their own money. 

 

Even Ragan promised to fix Social Secruity and had a special audit to do exactly that -- but when he discovered the 3 main problem with Social Security -- he did exactly what everyone else has done -- nothing to fix the actual problem.  And everybody since Ragan has covered up the 3 main problems.  Now you cannot even get the audit on the internet!! Nor is the report any longer in print.  Go figure.

 

I do not agree with any thing politically with Reed but he does what he says he will do - and if any repbulican would do that - this country would not have a national debt.

 

BTW - we could solve poverty in the USA - we could have the best health care in the world affordable to everyone - but that is not the goal of either party.