Just_A_Guy Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 Certainly we can find layer upon layer of meaning--and even "liken" scriptures to ourselves in ways that are probably very much out-of-harmony with their authors' original intent (Peter and Matthew do this quite liberally with certain Old Testament scriptures) in order to gain new, divinely-inspired insights. But is it really so very controversial to suggest that (at least in theory) there are limits to how far we can take this, and at some point there is indeed a wrong way to interpret any given scripture? Peter seems to back this up--two chapters later, in 2 Peter 3:15-16, he specifically condemns those who distort Paul's writings out of their true meaning. Or was that, too, a perversion of scripture resulting from the Great Apostasy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 The Holy Ghost will not reveal something to an individual that is contrary to that which is being proclaimed by those who have the authoritative right to declare the word of God for His church. Any revelation of an individual nature that one receives must, accordingly, be in sync with the interpretation given by the brethren. This is one of the means given that we may know that revelation is from God. In theory there may be some certain scriptures left uninterpreted, in which case I agree with Vort...if one has need (unlikely) to have said scriptures interpreted to them by the Holy Ghost, then it is to be kept to themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadliers Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Science has many assumptions in the dating methods. They seem good up until the flood but anything older than the flood simply has too many unknowns to state as a fact that fossils are millions or billions of years old. The first assumption is that it is assumed everything back then was the same. We don't know because something caused a world-wide cataclysm - how do we know that whatever caused the cataclysm didn't affect the decay of the fossils? Another case in point: there is a phenomena called an "earthquake fog". It happened in the great earthquake of 1812 along the New Madrid fault. That fog is an energy yet to be discovered and replicated. How can we be absolutely sure that the energy cannot, and does not, effect the dating methods? Another are the colored clouds surrounding earthquakes. It is theorized that those are ions emitted from within the earth. If so then have there been any studies to determine whether or not those effect the fossil record? Remember that in the Bible it tells us that the great deep was broken up at the time of the flood (Genesis 7:11). How are scientists so sure that energy was not released at that time which affected the fossils? Until the atoms are truly understood along with how radiation is produced by the atom and everything that can affect the decay rate then we simply do not know whether or not something happened along the way - particularly at the time of the flood since that seems to be the teetering point of dating where things really seem to spiral - that effected the fossil record. Scientists assume that nothing changed since pre-flood era that affects the decay rate and in that they will be found to be wrong - just watch.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rameumptom Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 Note that Elder Holland said that in the paradisiacal state there was no human death. What if only the Garden of Eden was in that state, while the rest of the earth was already in a fallen state? I believe it actually happened, but I think we try to impose too many of our own ideas onto the story of Adam and Eve in the garden and afterwards. Some of it is metaphor. Think of truth and the vehicle that carries the truth. The vehicle may not be perfect, historically, scientifically or otherwise. That is not what the vehicle is for. it is to contain and carry forth the truths found inside. The story of Adam and Eve are the vehicle that teaches us the truths of the Creation, Fall and Atonement. Some of vehicle/story may be accurate, but there is no reason for all of it to be so. Just_A_Guy and MrShorty 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Wow @rameumptom where in the heck have you been? Just_A_Guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rameumptom Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 @pam, I've been busy with life and blogging at Millennial Star. Also involved in preparing a couple book reviews for books that will be coming out over the next few weeks. Perhaps I'll post the reviews here, as well. Both books are excellent. A Reason for Faith, edited by Laura Hales The Reluctant Polygamist, by Meg Stout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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