It's Over-- We've Lost

[Guest]

The more general motivation of war is POWER.

 

One attacks other countries to exercise power and dominion over it.  Through such dominion, you have access to and power over the land, its resources, its wealth, and usually its people.

 

We defend our own country to keep someone else from exercising power over us.

 

The war in heaven was a war of words that would determine who would have the power or glory.

Edited November 5, 2015 by Guest

[cdowis]

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Edited November 5, 2015 by cdowis

[Blackmarch]

defense and wealth/power are sometimes the causes but sometimes are also just excuses for hatred.

[cdowis]

The more general motivation of war is POWER.

 

One attacks other countries to exercise power and dominion over it.  Through such dominion, you have access to and power over the land, its resources, its wealth, and usually its people.

 

 

You got it.  "Ope borders" has nothing to do with compassion, but with POWER.

[Guest MormonGator]

For the record, I am not a Tea Partier, though if I were more active in politics, I might well be.

 Tea Party libertarian here. 

[JojoBag]

It's a bit hard to take the "Obama is equally as mad as Hitler" thing seriously.

 

True.  Obama is many times more subtle in his schemes.  He learned from Hitler that he can't go invading other countries to subjugate people and impose his will.  He's doing it through lies that appeal to the something-for-nothing types, the "social justice" types, in other words, socialists.  Hitler was a socialist just as Obama is.  Obama is the master of bait and switch.  He stated that he would cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term.  Instead he doubled it.  He said that the Affordable Care Act would cut the cost of health care premiums.  Instead it has more than tripled them and the cost keeps climbing.  He has the slime stream media in his pocket, just as Hitler did.

 

Yeah, Obama is way beyond Hitler.

[Guest Godless]

True.  Obama is many times more subtle in his schemes.  He learned from Hitler that he can't go invading other countries to subjugate people and impose his will.  He's doing it through lies that appeal to the something-for-nothing types, the "social justice" types, in other words, socialists. 

 

As far as politicians go, I've always felt that Obama is actually more of a straight shooter than most. That said, he's still a politician and he's still going to pander to his base. Pandering to socialists (and I personally think even that's a stretch) does not make him a socialist.

 

 

Hitler was a socialist just as Obama is.

 

Incorrect. Hitler was a totalitarian nationalist. Obama is, at the most, a democratic socialist. And I wouldn't even give him that much credit.

 

He stated that he would cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term.  Instead he doubled it.

 

Source?

 

He has the slime stream media in his pocket, just as Hitler did.

 

Hitler would have gone a step further and made Roger Ailes "disappear", along with Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly. To be fair, I don't necessarily trust CNN and MSNBC either. But to say that they're the state-sanctioned voice of Obama is absurd. All of the networks have their biases, but we're a long ways off from having state-run media.

 

Yeah, Obama is way beyond Hitler.

 

Correct me of I'm wrong, but are you actually implying that Obama is worse? The (twice) democratically-elected president of one of the most stable democracies in the world is worse than a dictator who was appointed to a position of power after failing to be elected? That's a whopper of a declaration, and you have yet to make a case for it.

[Just_A_Guy]

Incorrect. Hitler was a totalitarian nationalist. Obama is, at the most, a democratic socialist. And I wouldn't even give him that much credit.

I would actually say that they are/were both essentially corporate cronyists who occasionally resorted to classical socialist rhetoric in order to cement their own position or leverage pressure on business owners who refused to play ball.

Agree with the rest of your post, though. :)

Edited November 13, 2015 by Just_A_Guy

[JojoBag]

As far as politicians go, I've always felt that Obama is actually more of a straight shooter than most. That said, he's still a politician and he's still going to pander to his base. Pandering to socialists (and I personally think even that's a stretch) does not make him a socialist.

 

“...A straight shooter.” OK, this blows me away. How can you possibly think this? Let's look at the deficit quote. I'm not going to list the URL, but you can look it up on YouTube and hear it straight from his mouth. According to the left leaning Wikipedia, the deficit in 2008, prior to Barry being coronated, was $458.6 billion. In 2012, the deficit was $1,087 trillion. Now, I realize that if you use the leftist, communist core math, the liberal consensus would be that it actually dropped to zero. If you use the math the rest of the world uses, you would see that it more than doubled.

As for the socialist theme. Are you familiar with the name of the party that Hitler created? Translated from German, it's the National Socialist German Worker's Party. Note the word, “socialist,” in that name. Hitler started out this way and became a totalitarian.

As for Barry being a socialist, let's first consider the difference between a socialist and a communist. Well, actually, there isn't much difference other than when communists take over from their brothers, the socialists, the communists kill off the socialists; they become totalitarians. So, in considering if Barry is a socialist let's do the duck test. You know; if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck and has a bill and feathers like a duck, it's probably a duck - test.

Let's consider the evidence. From Barry's memoir, “Dreams From My Father,” he talks about the most influential mentor of his life as a man named “Frank,” later identified as Frank Marshal Davis. Frankie boy was a hard core Soviet style communist who hated everything American. Frank practically raised Barry in Hawaii. Who did Barry choose to ghost write his book? One of the founders of the terrorist, communist organization, the Weather Underground, Bill Ayers, an avowed communist. Barry served on the board of the Woods Fund, a socialist organization. His father was a socialist economist for the Kenyan government. His mother, and both white and black grandparents were all socialists. At Occidental College, he hung around with Dr. John Drew, a well known communist activist on campus. Drew said that Barry “was a Marxist-Lenninist in his Sophomore year of college.” Barry gave speeches on campus sponsored by the socialist youth group, the “Students for Economic Democracy.” Another thing from his biography, he stated he was attracted to “Marxist professors” and attended the “Socialist Scholars Conferences” in 1983 & 84. Out of college, Barry worked for and with a number of groups funded by Saul Alinsky (remember A.C.O.R.N.?), a nationally renowned socialist community organizer. In 1999, he sat on the board of trustees of a socialist think tank called, “Demos.”Another of his mentors is a radical Marxist professor at Harvard, Charles Ogletree. Many of his political speeches contain classic socialist economic themes. He was a member of the socialist organizations, The New Men and Progressive Chicago. A group called Committees of Correspondence for Democracy was part of the Communist Party, USA, but split with it because it wasn't radical enough. This group was deeply involved in Barry's 2008 election campaign. It has many notable communist and socialists members such as Mike Klonsky, Marilyn Katz, Bill Ayers, Earl Durham, Carl Davidson, Timuel Black, Lou Pardo, Van Jones and others.

You want me to keep going? Quack, quack.

Correct me of I'm wrong, but are you actually implying that Obama is worse? The (twice) democratically-elected president of one of the most stable democracies in the world is worse than a dictator who was appointed to a position of power after failing to be elected? That's a whopper of a declaration, and you have yet to make a case for it.

 

No, you aren't wrong and I'm not implying anything. Obama is ten times worse than Hitler. Barry hasn't killed too many people yet, other than his cowardly drone strikes, but give him time. Did you know that in his executive order #13603, he authorizes slavery? Of course it isn't called slavery, however, to paraphrase what it does say is that he can force people to work without pay. That's slavery. The same executive order gives him authority to confiscate all forms of production, manufacturing, transportation, food, water and energy any time he wants. If you don't go along with the program, what's to stop him from taking your food and giving it to someone else. He'll make Hitler look like a boy scout.

[Vort]

 

As for the socialist theme. Are you familiar with the name of the party that Hitler created? Translated from German, it's the National Socialist German Worker's Party. Note the word, “socialist,” in that name.

 

The idea of socialism and the word "socialist" itself have been popular in Europe, especially among the intelligentsia, for at least ninety years now. It is hardly surprising that a political party of that time period would incorporate the word "Socialist" into its name. That does not imply that it actually accepted the principles of socialism, beyond the bare fact that both socialism and naziism lead to oligarchies.

 

No, you aren't wrong and I'm not implying anything. Obama is ten times worse than Hitler. Barry hasn't killed too many people yet, other than his cowardly drone strikes, but give him time.

 

You're way off the reservation with this one, JojoBag.

[JojoBag]

 

You're way off the reservation with this one, JojoBag.

 

 

Just watch and give it time.

[cdowis]

Many hundreds of thousands of people have protested the mass migration of Syrian “refugees” to Europe in recent months, and even more have begun now that it has come to light that the Islamic State has been infiltrating Europe through its refugee camps.

Breitbart reported that a video was compiled of footage of refugees in Syria to give everyone an idea of just how bad the situation is getting over there.

 

Here is the disturbing video.

https://youtu.be/44vzMNG2fZc

Edited November 19, 2015 by cdowis

[cdowis]

"It's over -- We've lost"

Let's go over some updates.

 

--After the attack in Paris, firmly declares to the world that there will beno change in policy -- "ISIS is contained"

 

--Characterizes the slaughter in Paris as merely a "setback" in his policy

 

--Imports Syrian immigrants, without informing the Governor or state authorities of their presence.  Bypasses state authorities and goes through non-profit charities.

 

--Threatens to veto legislation that would require strict vetting of those immigrants for terrorism.

 

--Ridicules those who disagree with him --> "They are afraid of widows and orphans", etc.

 

--A senior Senator who is a member of his party, Senator Feinstein, criticizes his lack of leadership and failed policy

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/dianne-feinstein-obama-isil-215935

Edited November 20, 2015 by cdowis

[cdowis]

Tthe mainstream media is now criticizing the failed strategy dealing with ISIS.

 

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4618848593001/media-slam-obamas-post-paris-attacks-speech/?intcmp=obnetwork#sp=show-clips

 

Incredible!

Edited November 20, 2015 by cdowis

[Ffenix]

Tthe mainstream media is now criticizing the failed strategy dealing with ISIS.

 

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4618848593001/media-slam-obamas-post-paris-attacks-speech/?intcmp=obnetwork#sp=show-clips

 

Incredible!

And now As I understand it, we've got a wonderful group called anonymous doing better work than the rest of the world's gov'ts. I don't know about you all, but this comes across as a bad thing. A really, Really, bad thing.

 

[JojoBag]

And now As I understand it, we've got a wonderful group called anonymous doing better work than the rest of the world's gov'ts. I don't know about you all, but this comes across as a bad thing. A really, Really, bad thing.

 

 What makes you think our wonderful government doesn't know about this?  There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Obama knows what is going on and is providing aid and comfort to the enemy.  He is an interesting combination of socialism/communism and Islam.  Did you know that his wedding ring is in Arabic?  I've seen a photo of it and the translation.  It is the Shahada, which states, "There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is the messanger of Allah."  I could go on and on, but the government knows all about what is going on.  

[Guest Godless]

He is an interesting combination of socialism/communism and Islam. Did you know that his wedding ring is in Arabic? I've seen a photo of it and the translation. It is the Shahada, which states, "There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is the messanger of Allah."

Even if that were true (and I very much doubt that it is), what's wrong with that? Over 3,000 Muslims are currently serving in the US military. Do you doubt their loyalty to our country?

[LeSellers]

Over 3,000 Muslims are currently serving in the US military. Do you doubt their loyalty to our country?

Yes, I do. Maj Hassan was a military member who killed and wounded dozens of soldiers shouting "Allahu Akbar!"

In the opening days of the war in Iraq, a Muslim US soldier threw a grenade into a tent full of his comrades-in-arms.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and nearly all the other battle zones we are engaged in have seen similar events.

I'm sure that most military Moslems are reliable, but there is no way to distinguish between the good guys and the renegades.

Have other-than-Mouslem military members done such things? Well, yes, they have. But the proportions are out of whack.

So, again, my answer is yes, I doubt their loyalty. And, worse, I can't think of a way they could change my mind.

That's sad.

Lehi

Edited November 24, 2015 by LeSellers

[cdowis]

MAFIA OFFERING TO PROTECT NYC FROM ISIS

The son of a New York mob boss has given Islamic State a stark warning, saying if they are planning any attacks in New York, they will have to contend with the Sicilian mafia. The notorious crime syndicate say they want to do their bit to protect locals.

Giovanni Gambino, the son of a key figure in the Gambino mob organization, says the mafia is in a much better position than security bodies, such as the FBI or Homeland Security, to give New Yorkers the protection they need.

https://www.rt.com/usa/323032-mafia-isis-warning-gambino/

 

Blood in the streets.

Edited November 23, 2015 by cdowis

[Blackmarch]

Lovely with the mafia and anonymous.. the old adage the enemy of my enemy is my friend is a trap to beware.

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Don't know if this has occurred to anyone but many of these refugees come from places where you'd be imprisoned or put to death for actively preaching the gospel to people outside your faith; now they are on our doorstep.

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as for obama being the worst person in us gov or as bad as hitler, obama has yet to sign any order for forcibly removing or exterminating any one group(s) from their family, home, and posessions within the borders of the USA.

nor does he even come remotely close to numbers dead that hitler caused- even if you lumped in all the civilian casualties, terrorist kills, us forces deaths and everything between.

........ now he might be polishing the throne so that the next person can do so (if a certain presidential candidate even remotely implements some of the things he says he'd do I could see such a thing getting abused and pushed far beyond what it was supposed to do where something like that might actually happen), but he himself is not even close to such a comparison yet.

Edited December 1, 2015 by Blackmarch

[cdowis]

as for obama being the worst person in us gov or as bad as hitler, obama has yet to sign any order for forcibly removing or exterminating any one group(s) from their family, home, and posessions within the borders of the USA.

 

 

Obama himself recognized that he still had unfinished business.  He was pondering whether he could somehow have a third term.  If we were ever to hold a Constutional convention, he may actually get his wish.

[Blackmarch]

Obama himself recognized that he still had unfinished business.  He was pondering whether he could somehow have a third term.  If we were ever to hold a Constutional convention, he may actually get his wish.

now there's a terrifying thought.

[Guest MormonGator]

When you compare anyone to Hitler, you really do show appalling disrespect to those who where that monsters victims.

You also show incredible ignorance about history. I don't like Obama at all but no, he isn't Hitler.   

[cdowis]

Let me say again, I have a very dry sense of humor.  

 

But I would observe that while Hitler and Obama had very different strategies, the goal is basically very similar.  Both want to marginalize and destroy their enemies, Hitler wanted to rule over the world, while Obama is  satisfied with ruling over just one country.

 

He was very serious about that "third term".  The thousand year reich is quite a realistic goal for him as his ultimate legacy.  For example, "climate change" is not about the weather, but all about power and control.

Edited December 2, 2015 by cdowis

[Guest Godless]

 

He was very serious about that "third term".  The thousand year reich is quite a realistic goal for him as his ultimate legacy. 

 

Unless you have some documentation to back this up, I have a very hard time taking it seriously.

 

For example, "climate change" is not about the weather, but all about power and control.

 

No, it's about the weather. Climate change is real. Industrial impact on the weather is real. And the fact that it's taken this long for an American President to attempt to do something about it is just plain sad.