Fight for Your Marriage

[letmeoff]

26 minutes ago, Latter-Day Marriage said:

 

When:  As you can see above, Adam and Eve were husband and wife, hence they were married.   The fall doesn't happen until the next chapter. 

How:  Marriage is a priesthood covenant between a man, a woman and God, not a vow.  God most certainly has the power and authority to institute a marriage covenant.  The marriage covenant is sacred and not recorded in the Bible due to it's sacred nature.  Those who have a temple recommend can hear it when they attend a sealing in a temple. The marriage vows the world uses (till death do you part etc.) are the world's creation. 

Also, I'm not sure where you get that there is some kind of ban on making vows.  Acts 18:18 has a missionary companion of Paul shaving his head due to a vow and there no condemnation of him for making a vow.  Likewise in Acts 21:23-24 no condemnation for making a vow, the only places a vow is mentioned in the New Testament.  D&C 59:11 says " 11  Nevertheless thy vows shall be offered up in righteousness on all days and at all times; "

Yes, and I said marriage not wife. God makes an Eve for every man, and he connects them together by their spirits.

[letmeoff]

18 minutes ago, Eowyn said:

My understanding from a video I've seen many times is that they were created as man and wife, and covenanted/sealed after the fall. 

They are the first soul mates.

[Guest]

I can guarantee that you won't find "soul mates" in the scriptures. Lots of men's philosophy happening here, though. 

[letmeoff]

2 minutes ago, Eowyn said:

I can guarantee that you won't find "soul mates" in the scriptures. Lots of men's philosophy happening here, though. 

No, it's just a term. 

Actually they were created as bioelectrical pairs.

[Guest]

[letmeoff]

5 minutes ago, Eowyn said:

Well I like to think, and thinking means you need to step out of your mental comfort zone.

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, letmeoff said:

Well I like to think, and thinking means you need to step out of your mental comfort zone.

You imply that I don't like to think.

 

There's leaving your comfort zone, and there's leaving the planet.

 

[letmeoff]

27 minutes ago, Eowyn said:

You imply that I don't like to think.

 

There's leaving your comfort zone, and there's leaving the planet.

 

Well, you have to leave the world behind sometime. It's the only way I found rest, and God is always one step ahead of me. So I'll leave my heart in his hands, he knows what he's doing.

[LeSellers]

13 hours ago, Eowyn said:

My understanding from a video I've seen many times is that [Adam and Eve] were created as man and wife, and covenanted/sealed after the fall. 

I believe I have seen that same video, many times, in the past 54 years (well, it wasn't a video the first hundred or so times).

Adam's and Eve's bodies were not created at the same time. Adam was alone in the Garden of Eden for some period (the video shows it as being a few seconds, but other scriptures make it much longer since he had to name all the animals first) before God created her body from his rib. Adam was asleep at the time. Then God brought Eve to Adam, and gave her to him as his wife.

Adam and Eve were definitely intended for each other as husband and wife. But there was a ceremony that changed their relationship from a man and a woman to being spouses, able to obey our first commandment lawfully.

Lehi

Edited April 24, 2016 by LeSellers

[NeuroTypical]

So, I've only read page two of this thread.  I see letmeoff, a brand new poster from Australia who identifies as a biotheist, telling Eowyn she needs to get out of her comfort zone because she raised an emoji eyebrow at his claim Adam and Eve "were created as bioelectrical pairs".

Kind of makes me think I may not really need to read page 1 to get the rest of the story.  

 

[zil]

9 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

So, I've only read page two of this thread.  I see letmeoff, a brand new poster from Australia who identifies as a biotheist, telling Eowyn she needs to get out of her comfort zone because she raised an emoji eyebrow at his claim Adam and Eve "were created as bioelectrical pairs".

Kind of makes me think I may not really need to read page 1 to get the rest of the story.  

FWIW, letmeoff is a recent sidebar to this thread and the OP is a separate story.  You may want to read just the OP before you decide.

[letmeoff]

1 hour ago, LeSellers said:

I believe I have seen that same video, many times, in the past 54 years (well, it wasn't a video the first hundred or so times).

Adam's and Eve's bodies were not created at the same time. Adam was alone in the Garden of Eden for some time (the video shows it as being a few seconds, but others scripture make it much longer since he had to name all the animals first) before God created her body from his rib. Adam was asleep at the time. Then God brought Eve to Adam, and gave her to him as his wife.

Adam and Eve were definitely intended for each other as husband and wife. But there was a ceremony that changed their relationship from a man and a woman to being spouses, able to obey our first commandment lawfully.

Lehi

Ceremony, with who? No one else existed, not even a priest or rabbi.

[letmeoff]

1 hour ago, NeuroTypical said:

So, I've only read page two of this thread.  I see letmeoff, a brand new poster from Australia who identifies as a biotheist, telling Eowyn she needs to get out of her comfort zone because she raised an emoji eyebrow at his claim Adam and Eve "were created as bioelectrical pairs".

Kind of makes me think I may not really need to read page 1 to get the rest of the story.  

 

Hi.

[letmeoff]

1 hour ago, zil said:

FWIW, letmeoff is a recent sidebar to this thread and the OP is a separate story.  You may want to read just the OP before you decide.

I'm something to swipe to.

[LeSellers]

2 hours ago, letmeoff said:

Ceremony, with who? No one else existed, not even a priest or rabbi.

Eh, the officiator was God. The ceremony happened in the Temple called the Garden of Eden.

Lehi

[letmeoff]

19 minutes ago, LeSellers said:

Eh, the officiator was God. The ceremony happened in the Temple called the Garden of Eden.

Lehi

Which they got everyone kicked out of, so you better get back in there if you want to make your marriage legitimate.

[LeSellers]

8 minutes ago, letmeoff said:

Which [the Garden of Eden] they got everyone kicked out of, so you better get back in there if you want to make your marriage legitimate.

My marriage is legitimate because eternal (assuming we both live worthy of that blessing). But even if not, it is legitimate here and now.

But you now seem to agree with me that Adam and Ever were married. At least we're making some progress.

Lehi

Edited April 24, 2016 by LeSellers

[letmeoff]

2 minutes ago, LeSellers said:

My marriage is legitimate because eternal (assuming we both live worthy of that blessing). But even if not, it is legitimate here and now.

But you now seem to agree with me that Adam and Ever were married. At least we're making some progress.

Lehi

Yeah, well not man's marriage.

[LeSellers]

Just now, letmeoff said:

Yeah, well not man's marriage.

I'm sorry, but your cryptic posting style makes it difficult for me to follow your train of thought.

I have absolutely no idea what this means.

Lehi

[letmeoff]

4 minutes ago, LeSellers said:

I'm sorry, but your cryptic posting style makes it difficult for me to follow your train of thought.

I have absolutely no idea what this means.

Lehi

Ok, well you know that marriage these days is run mostly by the religious institutions. Which makes me think. If the church of latter day saints is the only true Christian foundation, then are all other marriages outside the church void. If you need God to join a couple and God chose Joseph to build the church, saying all others are false

Then who or what is joining these outsiders together.

[LeSellers]

3 minutes ago, letmeoff said:

marriage these days is run mostly by the religious institutions.

No. Marriage these days is run almost exclusively by the state. Were it run by religious institutions, there would be no same-sex "marriage". Were it so, divorce would not be controlled entirely by the state.

4 minutes ago, letmeoff said:

If the church of latter day saints is the only true Christian foundation, then are all other marriages outside the church void.

This is untrue as well. Since only Latter-day Saints are married within the Church and by the Church, and all others are married outside and are valid in their own communities. Further, since we recognize that others have the right to worship as they please, we recognize their marriages as valid for this life (which is also all they claim).

4 minutes ago, letmeoff said:

If you need God to join a couple and God chose Joseph to build the church, saying all others are false

Then who or what is joining these outsiders together.

One does not need God to join a couple, so the rest of your conclusion is erroneous.

As long as the community recognizes the marriage, it is legitimate. Recall that marriage in the world (and even within the Kingdom of God) is primarily for the sake of the children: it gives them a stable environment in which they have a reasonable hope of maturing and being able to face the realities of the world.

Lehi

[letmeoff]

4 minutes ago, LeSellers said:

No. Marriage these days is run almost exclusively by the state. Were it run by religious institutions, there would be no same-sex "marriage". Were it so, divorce would not be controlled entirely by the state.

This is untrue as well. Since only Latter-day Saints are married within the Church and by the Church, and all others are married outside and are valid in their own communities. Further, since we recognize that others have the right to worship as they please, we recognize their marriages as valid for this life (which is also all they claim).

One does not need God to join a couple, so the rest of your conclusion is erroneous.

As long as the community recognizes the marriage, it is legitimate. Recall that marriage in the world (and even within the Kingdom of God) is primarily for the sake of the children: it gives them a stable environment in which they have a reasonable hope of maturing and being able to face the realities of the world.

Lehi

So the government and state build churches for couple's to marry? Have I got that right, or do you even need a church to get married legally.

[LeSellers]

12 minutes ago, letmeoff said:

So the government and state build churches for couple's to marry? Have I got that right, or do you even need a church to get married legally.

C'mon, I know you're not that obtuse.

People get married in non-church settings all the time. Marriage does not require a clergyman — JPs and other judges do marriages all the time (Rush Limbaugh was married by Clarence Thomas, for instance). In some locations, people can buy the right to perform marriages. In most countries, marriages are not done by clergy at all: every marriage must be performed by a bureaucrat, and any religious ceremony must follow the civil one.

Lehi

Edited April 24, 2016 by LeSellers

[letmeoff]

6 minutes ago, LeSellers said:

C'mon, I know you're not that obtuse.

People get married in non-church settings all the time. Marriage does not require a clergyman — JPs and other judges do marriages all the time (Rush Limbaugh was married by Clarence Thomas, for instance). In some locations, people can buy the right to perform marriages. In most countries, marriages are not done by clergy at all: every marriage must be performed by a bureaucrat, and any religious ceremony must follow the civil one.

Lehi

I know, so if religion is not the main institution for the wedding ceremony and an officiator of the marriage arrangement. Then I guess the church would be better off keeping out of the states business.

[LeSellers]

42 minutes ago, letmeoff said:

I know, so if religion is not the main institution for the wedding ceremony and an officiator of the marriage arrangement. Then I guess the church would be better off keeping out of the states business.

It would be better for us if the state got out of the churches' business.

Lehi