Fight for Your Marriage

[letmeoff]

Well, I have to leave for a long while now. I have a court appearance I need to prepare for, and I better not exhaust my thinking here while my thoughts need to be elsewhere.

In the words of Arnold Schwarzenegger

"I'll be back."

Or in prison

Depends on what my daughter tells the judge.

[Latter-Day Marriage]

22 hours ago, Eowyn said:

My understanding from a video I've seen many times is that they were created as man and wife, and covenanted/sealed after the fall. 

They were man and wife before the fall, and since there was no death at that time the marriage was for eternity.  The fall created the need for more covenants.

[Latter-Day Marriage]

21 hours ago, letmeoff said:

They are the first soul mates.

“ ‘Soul mates’ are fiction and an illusion; and while every young man and young woman will seek with all diligence and prayerfulness to find a mate with whom life can be most compatible and beautiful, yet it is certain that almost any good man and any good woman can have happiness and a successful marriage if both are willing to pay the price”  - Spencer W Kimball

[Latter-Day Marriage]

8 hours ago, letmeoff said:

Ok, well you know that marriage these days is run mostly by the religious institutions. Which makes me think. If the church of latter day saints is the only true Christian foundation, then are all other marriages outside the church void. If you need God to join a couple and God chose Joseph to build the church, saying all others are false

Then who or what is joining these outsiders together.

They are not void, they are just temporary.  God accepts marriages that happen outside the temple as legitimate but only up to the point of divorce or death.  Civil authority has no power in the afterlife.  Only a marriage performed by the priesthood authority of God will have legitimacy after this life, and that only happens in a temple wedding/sealing.

[letmeoff]

On 25/04/2016 at 1:36 PM, Latter-Day Marriage said:

They are not void, they are just temporary.  God accepts marriages that happen outside the temple as legitimate but only up to the point of divorce or death.  Civil authority has no power in the afterlife.  Only a marriage performed by the priesthood authority of God will have legitimacy after this life, and that only happens in a temple wedding/sealing.

So in the end they are void?

[letmeoff]

On 25/04/2016 at 1:26 PM, Latter-Day Marriage said:

“ ‘Soul mates’ are fiction and an illusion; and while every young man and young woman will seek with all diligence and prayerfulness to find a mate with whom life can be most compatible and beautiful, yet it is certain that almost any good man and any good woman can have happiness and a successful marriage if both are willing to pay the price”  - Spencer W Kimball

No one knows what's good but God.

[anatess2]

4 hours ago, letmeoff said:

So in the end they are void?

Letmeoff... I think this may be the source of your confusion of what we, the LDS, are saying.  Let me try to clarify it.

Marriage is an ETERNAL covenant.  That is - it is NOT "Until death do us part".  Rather, it is "For life after death".

Now, the power to "seal on earth as it is in heaven" is only present in authorized priesthood - and that is only the Priesthood in the LDS Church where God grants that authority.  Therefore, only those marriages that are sealed in the holy temples of the LDS Church by the Priesthood of the LDS Church are a binding covenant that does not end in death but lasts through life after death all throughout eternity.

Any other marriages performed by any other means (including those performed by an LDS priest outside of the temple that are not sealed at the temple) are only bound on earth and not in heaven.  They all end either in death or when the state/clergy decides it is ended.

Adam and Eve's marriage is, of course, eternal because it is performed by God himself who has perfect authority to bind in eternity.

Make sense?

 

P.S.  Hope things work out for the best in your court case.

Edited April 27, 2016 by anatess2

[letmeoff]

3 hours ago, anatess2 said:

Letmeoff... I think this may be the source of your confusion of what we, the LDS, are saying.  Let me try to clarify it.

Marriage is an ETERNAL covenant.  That is - it is NOT "Until death do us part".  Rather, it is "For life after death".

Now, the power to "seal on earth as it is in heaven" is only present in authorized priesthood - and that is only the Priesthood in the LDS Church where God grants that authority.  Therefore, only those marriages that are sealed in the holy temples of the LDS Church by the Priesthood of the LDS Church are a binding covenant that does not end in death but lasts through life after death all throughout eternity.

Any other marriages performed by any other means (including those performed by an LDS priest outside of the temple that are not sealed at the temple) are only bound on earth and not in heaven.  They all end either in death or when the state/clergy decides it is ended.

Adam and Eve's marriage is, of course, eternal because it is performed by God himself who has perfect authority to bind in eternity.

Make sense?

 

P.S.  Hope things work out for the best in your court case.

Yeah,, that's what I was saying, that all other non latter day saint marriages end up voided.

Tough luck to them I guess, but now you're making me think. You have to be married and sealed to end up in the celestial kingdom (Right?) I can't remember the order of the kingdoms

anyway

What about all the single ladies & fellows in the bible, where do they go? What about spirit prison? Can you get married and sealed there? That's what spirit prison for (Right?) A shot at redemption.

[anatess2]

Just now, letmeoff said:

Yeah,, that's what I was saying, that all other non latter day saint marriages end up voided.

Tough luck to them I guess, but now you're making me think. You have to be married and sealed to end up in the celestial kingdom (Right?) I can't remember the order of the kingdoms

anyway

What about all the single ladies & fellows in the bible, where do they go? What about spirit prison? Can you get married and sealed there? That's what spirit prison for (Right?) A shot at redemption.

Well, no other Christian religious organization that I know of believe that marriage goes beyond death, so even they believe their marriages "end up voided".  I don't believe you have to be married and sealed to end up in the Celestial Kingdom - the highest kingdom.  But, you do need to be married and sealed to hold the highest calling in the Celestial Kingdom - that is, to be God that brings to pass the immortality and eternal life of happiness of other spirits in perpetuity.

Single men and women who have lived in righteousness and passed away before the opportunity for marriage presents itself (e.g. children who pass away, etc.) will be given the fullness of their inheritance by God.

[NeuroTypical]

21 minutes ago, letmeoff said:

... all other non latter day saint marriages end up voided.

Several years ago, I had my father sealed to my mother in a temple ceremony performed after their deaths.  

[letmeoff]

11 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Several years ago, I had my father sealed to my mother in a temple ceremony performed after their deaths.  

Yeah,, I remember now, it's all coming back to me. I've been out of the loop for 3 to 4 years.

[letmeoff]

27 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

Well, no other Christian religious organization that I know of believe that marriage goes beyond death, so even they believe their marriages "end up voided".  I don't believe you have to be married and sealed to end up in the Celestial Kingdom - the highest kingdom.  But, you do need to be married and sealed to hold the highest calling in the Celestial Kingdom - that is, to be God that brings to pass the immortality and eternal life of happiness of other spirits in perpetuity.

Single men and women who have lived in righteousness and passed away before the opportunity for marriage presents itself (e.g. children who pass away, etc.) will be given the fullness of their inheritance by God.

Why not be a God, life it self can make God's but God's can't make other God's. Any God who did that would create an infinite regress.

[anatess2]

1 minute ago, letmeoff said:

Why not be a God, life it self can make God's but God's can't make other God's. Any God who did that would create an infinite regress.

And that's exactly what it is... Infinite Progression (not regress).  With God working to get us to His level of Progression and He Himself infinitely progressing.

[anatess2]

1 minute ago, letmeoff said:

Why not be a God, life it self can make God's but God's can't make other God's. Any God who did that would create an infinite regress.

And that's exactly what it is... Infinite Progression (not regress).  With God working to get us to His level of Progression and He Himself infinitely progressing.

[letmeoff]

4 hours ago, anatess2 said:

And that's exactly what it is... Infinite Progression (not regress).  With God working to get us to His level of Progression and He Himself infinitely progressing.

Depends on which God came first.

[anatess2]

8 minutes ago, letmeoff said:

Depends on which God came first.

Well... as we believe in One God... then He is it.

[letmeoff]

13 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

Well... as we believe in One God... then He is it.

Belief is to know in part

For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

 

[Latter-Day Marriage]

18 hours ago, letmeoff said:

So in the end they are void?

That depends.  By the end of the millennium all the temple work will be done, every married couple who didn't get sealed will have had a proxy sealing done on their behalf, including the marriages for all the blacks before the ban was lifted..  If they both want to have their marriage continue, and if they have lived lives that allow them to enter the celestial kingdom, then they can be together for eternity as husband and wife.  If their marriage ends, it is because of the choices they made.  BTW, a couple that was sealed in the temple has only a conditional promise of being together forever.  They too must live worthy of the blessing and both want to remain married for eternity.  In the end everybody gets a fair shot at getting all the blessings God has to give, but we don't all get it the same time or the same way.

[letmeoff]

54 minutes ago, Latter-Day Marriage said:

That depends.  By the end of the millennium all the temple work will be done, every married couple who didn't get sealed will have had a proxy sealing done on their behalf, including the marriages for all the blacks before the ban was lifted..  If they both want to have their marriage continue, and if they have lived lives that allow them to enter the celestial kingdom, then they can be together for eternity as husband and wife.  If their marriage ends, it is because of the choices they made.  BTW, a couple that was sealed in the temple has only a conditional promise of being together forever.  They too must live worthy of the blessing and both want to remain married for eternity.  In the end everybody gets a fair shot at getting all the blessings God has to give, but we don't all get it the same time or the same way.

Interesting, then what happens to those who die too young to be married. Have they lost the chance to choose someone, or will God arrange it so they can find someone on the other side.

[Latter-Day Marriage]

7 hours ago, letmeoff said:

Interesting, then what happens to those who die too young to be married. Have they lost the chance to choose someone, or will God arrange it so they can find someone on the other side.

Something like that, we don't have details, just the promise that everything will be worked out by the end of the millennium.

[LeSellers]

8 hours ago, letmeoff said:

Interesting, then what happens to those who die too young to be married. … [W]ill God arrange it so they can find someone on the other side.

Yes.

All who accept the Gospel will have the same chance of having the blessings they are willing to receive.

Lehi

[letmeoff]

3 hours ago, Latter-Day Marriage said:

Something like that, we don't have details, just the promise that everything will be worked out by the end of the millennium.

That's 3000 AD right?

[LeSellers]

11 minutes ago, letmeoff said:

[The end of the millennium ] 3000 AD right?

Within some unspecified tolerances, that's what I understand.

Lehi