The Utah effect on the popular vote

[anatess2]

I just stumbled on this article.  It was quite interesting.  So, 217 counties flipped from blue to red in the 2016 elections, 209 of them flipped from voting for Obama twice, 128 of them flipped from voting against Bush and then voting for Obama then ending up voting for Trump.

But this was not enough to sway the popular vote.  Clinton flipped only 30 counties that voted red in 2012.  Several of them in Utah.  Interestingly, Clinton only got 27% of the Utah vote which is a lot lower than Obama got.  This is, I think, due to McMullin taking votes from Trump instead of Clinton taking votes from Trump.

So, can we conclude that Utah caused Trump to lose the popular vote?  (Not like that matters or anything... just something interesting)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/15/the-counties-that-flipped-parties-to-swing-the-2016-election/?utm_term=.46359ebbdbdd

[Just_A_Guy]

I don't think Utah has enough people to single-handedly make up the official 2.9 million vote shortfall; regardless of how individual counties broke.

[estradling75]

7 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

I don't think Utah has enough people to single-handedly make up the official 2.9 million vote shortfall; regardless of how individual counties broke.

That and despite what many would have you believe the popular vote is irrelevant.  Both campaigns knew they needed to get Electoral College Vote.  Both campaigns worked and planned what they needed to get the Electoral College vote... One campaign succeed... Any talk about how the other should have won is simply sour grapes at this point

[Guest MormonGator]

2 hours ago, estradling75 said:

That and despite what many would have you believe the popular vote is irrelevant.  Both campaigns knew they needed to get Electoral College Vote. 

How do they win the electoral college vote?

[estradling75]

1 minute ago, MormonGator said:

How do they win the electoral college vote?

Depends on the state...  So correction the Popular Vote at the National Level is irrelevant (which is where people get the "didn't win the popular vote")

The Electoral College votes are a state based system.   With most (but not all) states having a winner take all system based on a state level popular vote.

[Guest MormonGator]

Just now, estradling75 said:

Depends on the state...  So correction the Popular Vote at the National Level is irrelevant (which is where people get the "didn't win the popular vote")

The Electoral College votes are a state based system.   With most (but not all) states having a winner take all system based on a state level popular vote.

Right. The popular vote is crucial on a micro level. That's how you win the electoral votes.  So the popular vote is quite important.

This election shows that the electoral college is incredibly important as well, because it makes sure Florida, Texas, New York and California can't pick the president while Iowa, Vermont and Wyoming are ignored. 

[Blackmarch]

10 hours ago, anatess2 said:

I just stumbled on this article.  It was quite interesting.  So, 217 counties flipped from blue to red in the 2016 elections, 209 of them flipped from voting for Obama twice, 128 of them flipped from voting against Bush and then voting for Obama then ending up voting for Trump.

But this was not enough to sway the popular vote.  Clinton flipped only 30 counties that voted red in 2012.  Several of them in Utah.  Interestingly, Clinton only got 27% of the Utah vote which is a lot lower than Obama got.  This is, I think, due to McMullin taking votes from Trump instead of Clinton taking votes from Trump.

So, can we conclude that Utah caused Trump to lose the popular vote?  (Not like that matters or anything... just something interesting)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/15/the-counties-that-flipped-parties-to-swing-the-2016-election/?utm_term=.46359ebbdbdd

I wish. no it was bad enough watching how much just a few states catapulted her in the vote count. both with the popular and the electoral.