Finding LDS self employed people

[anatess2]

47 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said:

When applying to work as a software dev for the church one of the requirements they told me is that I needed a current temple recommend.

Interestingly, that's a legal wiggle room  especially if the job requires exposure to sacred covenants.  Temple recommend can be equated to a technical certification.  @Just_A_Guy, right?

[Just_A_Guy]

18 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

Interestingly, that's a legal wiggle room  especially if the job requires exposure to sacred covenants.  Temple recommend can be equated to a technical certification.  @Just_A_Guy, right?

Not my legal forte. IIRC there was a case that went to the Supreme Court in the 1970s over the Church’s requiring current temple recommends from employees of the Deseret Gym.  I think the holding that came out of it was that churches may discriminate in employment related to a core ecclesiastical function—but churches get a lot of latitude in determining what is or isn’t a “core ecclesiastical function”.  I think the Church’s practices probably fit within the existing case law.

I’ve typically avoided seeking church employment—even though by most accounts it tends to be a pretty sweet gig—because I figure that for me, with my personal issues and history, a relapse on porn and the potential resultant temple recommend suspension would create enough issues without also jeopardizing my employment and family income.

[The Folk Prophet]

27 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

I’ve typically avoided seeking church employment—even though by most accounts it tends to be a pretty sweet gig—because I figure that for me, with my personal issues and history, a relapse on porn and the potential resultant temple recommend suspension would create enough issues without also jeopardizing my employment and family income.

Easy solution. Don't relapse.

[richard7900]

Hi. In my particu;lar case, because I am not versed in the art of software or hardware  and am merely able to offer a design concept - it is perfectly reasonable to hire someone who is versed in the arts mentioned. Personally, I've never took advantage of anyone in my life, and never will. It's not in my DNA.  I was thinking of seeking to reveal my idea to someone in my stake, to see if they might be able to estimate what a block diagram might possibly  look like. I can do that myself, but would like some sort of confirmation. The thing is, there are more ways than one to skin a cat. Some better than others.  I'll post if I do manage to connect with someone in my stake and tell what happenned. Seeing a patent attorney in December. To see if my idea has "got legs". I am hoping the attorney might be able to point out what might amount to an inventive step. That would have to be a technical innovation. Not sure I'm there yet though.

Edited November 16, 2017 by richard7900

[zil]

9 minutes ago, richard7900 said:

Seeing a patent attorney in December.

Please note that the Chinese could not care less about your patent if they tried.  If you want to make your product before they do, it will either have to remain secret until it's too late for them to beat you to market, or be something they think they can't make money on.

Just sayin'.

Go over to kickstarter.com and see what they require (research, planning, etc.) for a project - if you don't have at least that much, I wouldn't share anything with anyone.  But that's me.

[JohnsonJones]

15 minutes ago, richard7900 said:

Hi. In my particu;lar case, because I am not versed in the art of software or hardware  and am merely able to offer a design concept - it is perfectly reasonable to hire someone who is versed in the arts mentioned. Personally, I've never took advantage of anyone in my life, and never will. It's not in my DNA.  I was thinking of seeking to reveal my idea to someone in my stake, to see if they might be able to estimate what a block diagram might possibly  look like. I can do that myself, but would like some sort of confirmation. The thing is, there are more ways than one to skin a cat. Some better than others.  I'll post if I do manage to connect with someone in my stake and tell what happenned. Seeing a patent attorney in December. To see if my idea has "got legs". I am hoping the attorney might be able to point out what might amount to an inventive step. That would have to be a technical innovation. Not sure I'm there yet though.

From your description, my advice is to learn programing and build the basic framework yourself first. 

Those versed in Android normally already have their own ideas, and if they are creating something from the ground up, are going to work on their own ideas rather than someone else...Unless that someone else can pay them an exorbitant amount of money (read, more than they would gain if they did their own thing...which is rare).  Many times those who are "idea" men don't realize that someone else has already thought up the concept or something very similar already.  The framework is the REAL idea, rather than the idea of something itself (and there have been those who have tried to patent an idea only to find out they lost in the court of law because an idea that isn't with a framework many times is far too broad in regards to what is an actual program or app).

This is why many of those who actually are at the head of many companies are also programmers or designers themselves, as they know the practicality and other things and can present the actual idea (which is a fully composed framework of how it is supposed to work and what it is to do, they just need programmers and others to get the actual programming completed) on how to complete it.

You can find programming classes online these days, and they can introduce you enough to the rudimentary elements of design and apps that you could build this framework yourself, probably within six months if you are truly dedicated to it.

Otherwise, it depends on how much you are willing to shell out.  If you are willing to shell out half a million and the idea is simple, depending on how complex the idea is, it could probably be done from the ground up based only on your idea.  Plan on it being about a month's time to complete.  If it is more complex and will take around three months, plan on a cool million.  Longer than that, we are talking several million dollars.

Now, if you have the framework and can tell one exactly what you want programmed in their language, and it's truly your own vehicle instead of someone else designing it, it depends on whether you are willing to pay a comparable wage to everyone else.  Depending on who you are going for, expect something between 30 to 90 dollars an hour (or more if you want a really experienced individual).

Just my thoughts, those who are actually in the field probably could say more on how much you could expect to pay programmers on this.

 

[richard7900]

I think in my case, my task is probably to seek to license. To gather sufficient information before seeing a toy agent. The toy agent sees the main manufacturers and pitches the idea. If the manufacturer is convinced the idea is worth taking a chance on, that a patent can be obtained, they will do what is required to apply for a patent etc, etc. I must try to come up with something between now and the time I see that patent attorney. Something rather more than I have at present. At least a block diagram showing how in block diagram terms, how the product works, what it does. I think at this point, I'd be happy to have a block diagtam to hand. Actually, I do have one, but it probably would not match the final one. The one used in production.  Because I do not yet have all the data.

Edited November 16, 2017 by richard7900

[5th_Horseman]

Hi, I write the codes for Droid, *nix and Web. Am pro. Am Good. Like sentence fragments.

Whatever your idea is, at least 15 other people have already had it. I'm not in any way trying to discourage you, but that's life. If your idea does not already exist somewhere, chances are, there's a good reason why. Sometimes non-programmers have a hard time understanding what's reasonably possible, especially when it comes to robotics. Get a consult, preferably from more than one programmer and go from there. Your choices are clear: either learn to code or share your idea with someone who can, but take my advice.. don't choose a programmer based on what religion they practice. You wouldn't choose a tax attorney based on whether or not they had a black belt in kung-fu, would you?

[anatess2]

20 hours ago, richard7900 said:

I think in my case, my task is probably to seek to license. To gather sufficient information before seeing a toy agent. The toy agent sees the main manufacturers and pitches the idea. If the manufacturer is convinced the idea is worth taking a chance on, that a patent can be obtained, they will do what is required to apply for a patent etc, etc. I must try to come up with something between now and the time I see that patent attorney. Something rather more than I have at present. At least a block diagram showing how in block diagram terms, how the product works, what it does. I think at this point, I'd be happy to have a block diagtam to hand. Actually, I do have one, but it probably would not match the final one. The one used in production.  Because I do not yet have all the data.

You're talking about a toy and you're talking about Android.  Putting 2 and 2 together I'm guessing you're wanting to make a Game App.  If it's just a Game App, you don't need a patent for that.  But anybody familiar with the history of Facebook knows there's a chance that your game developer will run off with your game.  If you use the main freelance sites (e.g. freelancer, odesk) to look for your developer, then you have some protection because unless your idea is something that the developer can retire off of, you can blast his actions to the sites and he'll get blacklisted.  If you want more peace of mind, the NDA would be a way where if he does take off with your game, you can get compensated for it.  Once it is deployed to Google or the App Store (I suggest you develop for Apple products as well, they still have a ginormous slice of the market), then there's the added layer of the review process preventing other game developers from publishing an app that copies your app.

[richard7900]

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