Lie, Misunderstanding, or Blunt Truth

[zil]

3 minutes ago, NightSG said:

After a lie like that, you've got no standing to complain about anyone else living in sin.

There is nothing wrong with a parent being concerned about the character and example of those who are teaching said parent's children.  If she knows for certain (as she claims to know) that this couple are living together in the same house without being married, despite public declaration otherwise (a clear lie), she has every right to recognize this as being contrary to the commandments, to express concern to the bishop, and to ponder and pray about whether or not to keep her child in that class.

She has not declared them worthy of eternal damnation (the kind of judging we're commanded not to do).  She has not stated any intent to publicly expose their lie or denounce their behavior.  She has expressed concern over who is teaching her child.  And the only decision she has reached, as far as we can tell, is the appropriate one of going to her bishop to discuss her concern.

Sure, we're all sinners, and ought to be merciful in how we treat one another.  That does not mandate throwing wisdom out the window, especially when it comes to protecting children.  Some sins warrant extra caution in how you interact with the sinner.  Other sins don't.  Only a fool makes no judgements of any sort.

[clbent04]

On 1/4/2018 at 10:36 PM, clbent04 said:

Is it possibly for someone to have the chance of obtaining Celestial Glory who never mastered the Law of Chastity in this life? Or more specifically, if that person never overcame the battle of lust, viewing of pornography, or the act of masturbating in this life, would that person still have the chance of making it to the Celestial Kingdom considering the following criteria was met:

-They had faith in God the Father, Jesus Christ, and His Atonement

-They continued to repent throughout their lives with real intent to change for the best even though they never ended up being successful at completely avoiding pornography and masturbating

Had a meeting with my Bishop last night.  I asked him this exact question.  Several times actually worded in different ways for my own piece of mind.  He responded confidently saying, "Absolutely," that even if I never mastered the Law of Chastity in this life (specifically completely avoiding viewing pornography, taking that second look, indulging an impure thought), that I could still have the opportunity to make it to the Celestial Kingdom. 

He reminded me that as Bishop he is Christ's representative judge over me during this time, and that when I die, it will be Christ himself who will judge my heart to see if I lived worthy enough to advance towards the Celestial Kingdom. Mastery to the Law of Chastity is NOT required in this life based on how I previously understood it to be.

So there it is. The crux of my issues has been taken away. I had a misguided view of what we are expected to achieve in this life in relation to the Law of Chasity.  

My inactivity in the Church these last 2 1/2 years has largely stemmed from my inability to deal with my spiritual failures, and how I viewed my own trajectory path and eternal welfare.  With the Bishop helping to correct my misguided thinking, I’ve decided to go back to Church with hopes of a better tomorrow, be it success or failure. Trying is not futile even if I fail again. 

I can make it if I diligently put forth the effort and continue to try with everything I have. I know I can at least do that.

Edited January 11, 2018 by clbent04

[Guest MormonGator]

7 minutes ago, clbent04 said:

Had a meeting with my Bishop last night.  I asked him this exact question.  Several times actually worded in different ways for my own piece of mind.  He responded confidently saying, "Absolutely," that even if I never mastered the Law of Chastity in this life (specifically completely avoiding viewing pornography, taking that second look, indulging an impure thought), that I could still have the opportunity of making it to the Celestial Kingdom.  He reminded me that as Bishop he is Christ's representative judge over me during this life, and that when I die, it will be Christ himself who will judge my heart to see if lived worthy enough to advance towards the Celestial Kingdom. Mastery to the Law of Chastity is NOT required in this life.

So there it is. The crux of my issues has been taken away. I had a misguided view of what we are expected to achieve in this life in relation to the Law of Chasity.  Trying is worth it even if I fail again.  My inactivity in the Church these last 2 1/2 years have many stemmed from my inability to deal with my spiritual failures and how I viewed my own trajectory path and eternal welfare.  With the Bishop helping to correct my misguided thinking, I'm officially going back to Church with hopes of a better tomorrow be it success or failure so long as I diligently put forth the effort and continue to try with everything I have. I know I can at least do that

 Hope things work out for you bud.