The Law Of Chastity

[avatar4321]

We had our lesson on it today. We must be a conservative group. We struggled to use the words to describe some of the wrong acts. In fact, the teacher couldn't even say the "M" word. Someone else had mentioned it and the teacher when she came to it, said "What Sister Soso said".

After hearing a little of what they talked about in Priestood, it would of been interesting to have access to each other classes and see how differently men and women talk about this.

Couldnt say the M word? i didnt realize women were so scared of Marriage.

[avatar4321]

I don't think it can be discussed enough. Sure wish it was discussed more when I was coming into puberty. I got looking at "stuff" way before I even knew it was such a serious sin. Made it very tough to get worthy to go on a mission. But then, that was 40 years ago. I hope our youth are talked to about it more today.

Are you talking to them about it?

[avatar4321]

We had the LoC lesson this week as well. I am glad I wasnt teaching it. We had our newest convert teach it. And it was an excellent discussion. I thought the Spirit was strong. The only negative parts of the lesson were when the guy i knew wasnt keeping it was commenting. That just didnt feel very right.

Its a tough challenge, but I think if the Saints, particularly the Elders can master this, they will have power in what they do.

[MorningStar]

We had the LoC lesson this week as well. I am glad I wasnt teaching it. We had our newest convert teach it. And it was an excellent discussion. I thought the Spirit was strong. The only negative parts of the lesson were when the guy i knew wasnt keeping it was commenting. That just didnt feel very right.

Its a tough challenge, but I think if the Saints, particularly the Elders can master this, they will have power in what they do.

Did the teacher seem to have a hard time teaching it? I told this one sister that she was almost asked to sub instead and she was very grateful she didn't have to do it. The guy who was commenting in your class - What kinds of things was he saying?

[Sheelah]

Couldnt say the M word? i didnt realize women were so scared of Marriage.

See you learn something new everday

[avatar4321]

Did the teacher seem to have a hard time teaching it? I told this one sister that she was almost asked to sub instead and she was very grateful she didn't have to do it. The guy who was commenting in your class - What kinds of things was he saying?

No. I was actually impressed that it went so smoothly.

i dont remember exactly what he was saying, just how i felt it was hypocritical.

[Still_Small_Voice]

We had our lesson on the law of chastity today. The teacher taught from the lesson manual and also implemented materials from Elder Holland's talk on “Of Souls, Symbols, and Sacraments.”

It wasn't a mundane teacher read to the class lesson with no one speaking except the teacher. One point our teacher made was the Lord does not rank very many sins in seriousness, but has set the denial of the Holy Ghost, murder and unchastity as the most serious of sins.

We also talked about the Apostle Paul's teachings in I Corinthians 6:19-20 the scriptures: ". . . know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price . . ." This truth countered with the world's teaching of: "it's my body and I can do what I want with it."

There were also positive teachings of the sacred power God has given His children to bring other spirits into the world and of the joy that marriage intimacy can bring to a married couple. I thought it was a good lesson and I was glad I was able to attend it that day.

[mnn727]

I teach from the SWK manual in Elders Quorum. My quorum is a very talkative bunch, partipating fully in the class (thank the Lord - it makes teaching easier) we got up to the pornography section and stayed on that for about 15 minutes, it would have went longer but I had to cut it short because class time was over. Unfortunatly that means we missed the rest of the lesson. I feel though that that is where the Spirit wanted the emphasis, I felt that in preparing the lesson and I felt that during class.

Its definatly a big problem in society and I have heard that even many in the Church get caught in pornography's grasp.

[rickg]

and I have heard that even many in the Church get caught in pornography's grasp.

That would qualify as understatement of the week.......no, month.

[Guest Iggy]

That would qualify as understatement of the week.......no, month

. . . . no, year

[avatar4321]

I teach from the SWK manual in Elders Quorum. My quorum is a very talkative bunch, partipating fully in the class (thank the Lord - it makes teaching easier) we got up to the pornography section and stayed on that for about 15 minutes, it would have went longer but I had to cut it short because class time was over. Unfortunatly that means we missed the rest of the lesson. I feel though that that is where the Spirit wanted the emphasis, I felt that in preparing the lesson and I felt that during class.

Its definatly a big problem in society and I have heard that even many in the Church get caught in pornography's grasp.

Its the biggest problem in the Church. I literally mean the biggest problem in the Church.

I truely believe that if everyone in the Church would forsake pornography we would literally have the power of the priesthood flow down from heaven as we are entitled. But sadly too many of us live far below our capacity. We dont all magnify the priesthood and our callings as Saints of God. If we did, this world would be a much better place.

[MorningStar]

I think we have a stronger generation coming, Avatar. :) A lot of the people who have a problem with pornography today didn't have parents who talked to them about these things or they told them too late. We have to arm our kids with knowledge, boundaries, and tools to avoid it. In our stake conference yesterday, someone talked about how as priests, they all made a pact together not to look at pornography and they checked-in with each other weekly to see how they were doing. I have a friend who is a counselor for LDS family services and she stresses how important it is to talk very openly with our kids about sex and how they deal with sexual temptation. She has taught about when you are most likely to cave to something you would rather not do and she uses this acronymn HALT, only her husband suggested you add an S to it. When you are feeling strongly tempted, ask yourself if you are Hungry (this can also stand for health or hormonal), Angry, Lonely, Tired, Stressed. You identify how you are feeling at the moment. If you are hungry, eat something and see if the temptation passes, or take a nap if you're tired, deal with your anger in a different way and resolve it with whoever you're angry with, call a friend if you're lonely, if you're stressed, talk it out with a friend, etc. This has been helpful to a lot of people for various problems. A lot of these feelings people try to escape rather than confront. At a recent fireside we had about pornography, the sister teaching said, "The purpose of addiction is to obliterate reality." I thought that was interesting.

[Pegtagatha]

Is it also a sin for young women to think Lustful Thoughs and to do masturbation? If so, "why?"

First and foremost- let's keep this "family friendly" so as not to lose our "G" rating.

Second, your post was editted to remove personal information not necessarily appropriate for a public message board.

Indulging in such impure thoughts and actions is specifically forbidden by commandment. While such impulses are natural, our purpose here is to overcome the "natural" man (or woman, in your case).

Just as men and women can get caught up in the unreal illusion that is pornography, a member can get caught up in such a fantasy life as well- which will detract from the intimacy they will be seeking to achieve when they get married.

If it's cheating for a man to fantasize about a woman not-his-wife, it's cheating when she does it, too.

Honos.

[MorningStar]

Is it also a sin for young women to think Lustful Thoughs and to do masturbation? If so, "why?"

Because thoughts lead to action and the purpose of sex is to bond a man and a woman together when they are married. We are supposed to avoid being preoccupied with sex.

[rickg]

Because thoughts lead to action and the purpose of sex is to bond a man and a woman together when they are married. We are supposed to avoid being preoccupied with sex.

Very well put. That counselor friend I talked about earlier in this thread told me something along those lines. "The act itself would be no big deal, except for what accompanies it, and what it leads to." Or words close to that.

[Pegtagatha]

There is intimacy with lustful thoughts?

[MorningStar]

There is intimacy with lustful thoughts?

No.

[selek]

There is intimacy with lustful thoughts?

Lust is the counterfeit Satan offers instead of intimacy. The two are antithetical one to the other.

[Still_Small_Voice]

I think there can be great passion and intimacy when a married couple engages in sexual relations. To call that lust is not well defined since sexual intimacy is holy when in the marriage covenant and engaged in with the proper motives.