Guest antishock82003 Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 The Book of Ether, 15:2 illustrates that "nearly two millions " of the Jaredites had their last great battle at the Hill Cumorah. That's a lot of archaeological evidence to support the claims of the Book of Mormon. Has their been a lot of pre-Colombian weaponry found at the site...things like swords and armor?
Guest antishock82003 Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints Office of the First Presidency Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 October 16, 1990 Bishop Darrel L. Brooks Moore Ward Oklahoma City Oklahoma South Stake 1000 Windemere Moore, OK 73160 Dear Bishop Brooks: I have been asked to forward to you for acknowledgment and handling the enclosed copy of a letter to President Gordon B. Hinckley from Ronnie Sparks of your ward. Brother Sparks inquired about the location of the Hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon, where the last battle between the Nephites and Lamanites took place. The Church has long maintained, as attested to by references in the writings of General Authorities, that the Hill Cumorah in western New York state is the same as referenced in the Book of Mormon. The Brethren appreciate your assistance in responding to this inquiry, and asked that you convey to Brother Sparks their commendation for his gospel study. Sincerely yours, (signed) F. Michael Watson Secretary to the First Presidency
Spencer Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 Where is noah's ark? such a large mass that has not been found yet. Whatever man.
Blessed Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 It states in the scriptures that valleys were made into mountains and mountains were made into valleys (paraphrasing) when Christ died. Perhaps the armor was covered up by this? Just a thought albeit a far stretched one. Just for the record... I don't need proof to believe.
Guest antishock82003 Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 Originally posted by Spencer@Jan 10 2004, 06:40 AM Where is noah's ark? such a large mass that has not been found yet.Whatever man. Yes, Spencer, "whatever man". If that works for you. While we don't know where Noah's Ark would be located (if it ever really existed), we do know the EXACT location of the Hill Cumorah. This is the perfect opportunity to bolster the story of the Book of Mormon with arcaeological evidence of MILLIONS of combatants lying about. Since they died only a mere 1500-1600 years a ago (not much time archaeologically speaking) I'm sure their exacavation wouldn't be much a a problem. Why haven't we found any artifacts yet?
Guest antishock82003 Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 Originally posted by Blessed@Jan 10 2004, 08:32 AM It states in the scriptures that valleys were made into mountains and mountains were made into valleys (paraphrasing) when Christ died.Perhaps the armor was covered up by this?Just a thought albeit a far stretched one.Just for the record... I don't need proof to believe. Even so, the Final Battle between the Nephites and the Lamanites took place there. That was after the earth was disturbed.
Cal Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 You don't need proof to believe.....humm? I'll bet if proof DID exist you would be more than happy to acknowledge it, right? Let me ask you, when JS said he was God's prophet, did he need PROOF to make that claim?
Snow Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 Originally posted by Spencer@Jan 10 2004, 06:40 AM Where is noah's ark? such a large mass that has not been found yet.Whatever man. That argument won't work with AS (nor should it) he believe neither. Where's Stephen or Doug when we need them?
Guest Starsky Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 Where is your after birth to prove you were born??? Things do deteriorate...or was their war equipment made of neoprene plastic??
Spencer Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 Originally posted by Snow+Jan 10 2004, 01:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Jan 10 2004, 01:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Spencer@Jan 10 2004, 06:40 AM Where is noah's ark? such a large mass that has not been found yet.Whatever man. That argument won't work with AS (nor should it) he believe neither. Where's Stephen or Doug when we need them? its ok im not looking to argue, im done.Spencer
Guest bizabra Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 Originally posted by Spencer@Jan 10 2004, 06:40 AM Where is noah's ark? such a large mass that has not been found yet.Whatever man. Noahs Ark is stored in Smaug's (the dragon in The Hobbit) cave, along with The Golden Fleece, the Goose that laid the golden egg, Paul Bunyons ax, the Golden (and Brass) Plates (the Urim and Thumin are safe in THE VAULTS OF THE CHURCH), Peter Rabbits jacket that he lost in Mr McGregors carrot patch, and a whole assortment of other miscellaneous odds and ends from other myths and fairy tales. This is why it hasn't been found yet.Don't give up hope though, "someday" ALL WILL BE REVEALED, and then the cave will be turned into a huge museum for "the faithful" to visit. Entrance will be FREE, with only a "small donation" in the amount of 10% of your "increase" requested. I can't wait to go! It will give us something to do in the "eternities" besides having spirit babies and lording over our personal planets.
Guest Starsky Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 Originally posted by bizabra+Jan 10 2004, 12:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bizabra @ Jan 10 2004, 12:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Spencer@Jan 10 2004, 06:40 AM Where is noah's ark? such a large mass that has not been found yet.Whatever man. Noahs Ark is stored in Smaug's (the dragon in The Hobbit) cave, along with The Golden Fleece, the Goose that laid the golden egg, Paul Bunyons ax, the Golden (and Brass) Plates (the Urim and Thumin are safe in THE VAULTS OF THE CHURCH), Peter Rabbits jacket that he lost in Mr McGregors carrot patch, and a whole assortment of other miscellaneous odds and ends from other myths and fairy tales. This is why it hasn't been found yet.Don't give up hope though, "someday" ALL WILL BE REVEALED, and then the cave will be turned into a huge museum for "the faithful" to visit. Entrance will be FREE, with only a "small donation" in the amount of 10% of your "increase" requested. I can't wait to go! It will give us something to do in the "eternities" besides having spirit babies and lording over our personal planets. LOL, every time I read your name, I just have to chuckle. My husband served his mission in Hawii and they had this thing called 'shock awh bra!' with the thumb and little finger pointing up with the three middle fingers folded down...and you swing your hand back and forth this way.My husband and his companions decided they would develop a new 'bra'...and call it a 'shock awh bra' and they would get all kinds of free advertisement there...LOLAnyway, all of your arguments are empty...why don't you do a little deeper thinking?
Guest bizabra Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 Originally posted by Peace+Jan 10 2004, 03:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peace @ Jan 10 2004, 03:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -bizabra@Jan 10 2004, 12:55 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Spencer@Jan 10 2004, 06:40 AM Where is noah's ark? such a large mass that has not been found yet.Whatever man. Noahs Ark is stored in Smaug's (the dragon in The Hobbit) cave, along with The Golden Fleece, the Goose that laid the golden egg, Paul Bunyons ax, the Golden (and Brass) Plates (the Urim and Thumin are safe in THE VAULTS OF THE CHURCH), Peter Rabbits jacket that he lost in Mr McGregors carrot patch, and a whole assortment of other miscellaneous odds and ends from other myths and fairy tales. This is why it hasn't been found yet.Don't give up hope though, "someday" ALL WILL BE REVEALED, and then the cave will be turned into a huge museum for "the faithful" to visit. Entrance will be FREE, with only a "small donation" in the amount of 10% of your "increase" requested. I can't wait to go! It will give us something to do in the "eternities" besides having spirit babies and lording over our personal planets. LOL, every time I read your name, I just have to chuckle. My husband served his mission in Hawii and they had this thing called 'shock awh bra!' with the thumb and little finger pointing up with the three middle fingers folded down...and you swing your hand back and forth this way.My husband and his companions decided they would develop a new 'bra'...and call it a 'shock awh bra' and they would get all kinds of free advertisement there...LOLAnyway, all of your arguments are empty...why don't you do a little deeper thinking? Well, I find your grasp of critical "deeper thinking" (your post about how things "deteriorate" for example) to be "empty", so your opinions of my postings mean little to me, thank you very much.I know I won't have to explain what I mean to anyone with half a brain.
Paul Osborne Posted January 10, 2004 Report Posted January 10, 2004 I believe what the Mormon leaders have said. I have faith in God and what has been revealed by revelation. I don't have to have physical evidence to make me believe. Faith is to believe without a sure knowledge which is what hard hearted nonbelievers insist on having in order for them to believe. I believe in Jesus too. I believe the Book of Mormon. I believe there is still time for antishock to repent and come unto Christ and hearken to the Book of Mormon. Paul O
Guest antishock82003 Posted January 11, 2004 Report Posted January 11, 2004 Originally posted by Paul Osborne@Jan 10 2004, 04:11 PM I believe what the Mormon leaders have said. I have faith in God and what has been revealed by revelation. I don't have to have physical evidence to make me believe. Faith is to believe without a sure knowledge which is what hard hearted nonbelievers insist on having in order for them to believe.I believe in Jesus too. I believe the Book of Mormon. I believe there is still time for antishock to repent and come unto Christ and hearken to the Book of Mormon.Paul O Why am I being "hard hearted" when asking for some archaeological evidence around the Hill Cumorah area?
Paul Osborne Posted January 11, 2004 Report Posted January 11, 2004 Because as far as I can see you have not placed your trust in God by asking him if the Book of Mormon is true or not. Why should you rely upon archeological proof? Faithful Jews and Christians do not rely upon such proof for Moses in Egypt or other great circumstances that occurred in Bible times, yet we trust them on faith and believe. :) How about you ask God if the Book of Mormon is true and quit trusting in the arm of flesh, including your own. Signs follow those who believe and the Lord expects faith or he is not pleased. That’s the Mormon way, and this is LDS Talk. 1 Ne. 15: 11 "Do ye not remember the things which the Lord hath said?—If ye will not harden your hearts, and ask me in faith, believing that ye shall receive, with diligence in keeping my commandments, surely these things shall be made known unto you." Also, read Moroni chapter 10. What you really need, Antishock, is a testimony of the restored gospel! Paul O
srm Posted January 11, 2004 Report Posted January 11, 2004 Antishock said15:2 illustrates that "nearly two millions " of the Jaredites had their last great battle at the Hill Cumorah.Then he said,Since they died only a mere 1500-1600 years a ago (not much time archaeologically speaking) I'm sure their exacavation wouldn't be much a a problem. Why haven't we found any artifacts yet? He is trying to create a problem by combining 2 events that were thousands od years apart.
srm Posted January 11, 2004 Report Posted January 11, 2004 I tink that he is saying that you are hardhearted because you are not interested in the answers. For example I (and others) have been addressing the other old anti-mormon chestnuts and you ignore it. you just continue to try to carpet bomb us.
Guest Starsky Posted January 11, 2004 Report Posted January 11, 2004 Originally posted by bizabra+Jan 10 2004, 03:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bizabra @ Jan 10 2004, 03:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Peace@Jan 10 2004, 03:03 PM Originally posted by -bizabra@Jan 10 2004, 12:55 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Spencer@Jan 10 2004, 06:40 AM Where is noah's ark? such a large mass that has not been found yet.Whatever man. Noahs Ark is stored in Smaug's (the dragon in The Hobbit) cave, along with The Golden Fleece, the Goose that laid the golden egg, Paul Bunyons ax, the Golden (and Brass) Plates (the Urim and Thumin are safe in THE VAULTS OF THE CHURCH), Peter Rabbits jacket that he lost in Mr McGregors carrot patch, and a whole assortment of other miscellaneous odds and ends from other myths and fairy tales. This is why it hasn't been found yet.Don't give up hope though, "someday" ALL WILL BE REVEALED, and then the cave will be turned into a huge museum for "the faithful" to visit. Entrance will be FREE, with only a "small donation" in the amount of 10% of your "increase" requested. I can't wait to go! It will give us something to do in the "eternities" besides having spirit babies and lording over our personal planets. LOL, every time I read your name, I just have to chuckle. My husband served his mission in Hawii and they had this thing called 'shock awh bra!' with the thumb and little finger pointing up with the three middle fingers folded down...and you swing your hand back and forth this way.My husband and his companions decided they would develop a new 'bra'...and call it a 'shock awh bra' and they would get all kinds of free advertisement there...LOLAnyway, all of your arguments are empty...why don't you do a little deeper thinking? Well, I find your grasp of critical "deeper thinking" (your post about how things "deteriorate" for example) to be "empty", so your opinions of my postings mean little to me, thank you very much.I know I won't have to explain what I mean to anyone with half a brain. LOL....so you get chaffed really easy...still you need to dig a little deeper there on the arguments.
Guest Starsky Posted January 11, 2004 Report Posted January 11, 2004 Originally posted by antishock82003+Jan 10 2004, 06:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (antishock82003 @ Jan 10 2004, 06:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Paul Osborne@Jan 10 2004, 04:11 PM I believe what the Mormon leaders have said. I have faith in God and what has been revealed by revelation. I don't have to have physical evidence to make me believe. Faith is to believe without a sure knowledge which is what hard hearted nonbelievers insist on having in order for them to believe.I believe in Jesus too. I believe the Book of Mormon. I believe there is still time for antishock to repent and come unto Christ and hearken to the Book of Mormon.Paul O Why am I being "hard hearted" when asking for some archaeological evidence around the Hill Cumorah area? You have heard of these scriptures haven't you:Matt. 12: 39 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a asign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:Matt. 16: 4 4 A wicked and adulterous* generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet dJonas. And he left them, and departed.Mark 8: 11 11 And the Pharisees came forth, and began to question with him, seeking of him a sign from heaven, tempting him.Mark 8: 12 12 And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.Luke 11: 29 29 ¶ And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a asign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.1 Cor. 1: 22 22 For the Jews require a asign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:*adultrous= covenant breakers..
Guest bizabra Posted January 11, 2004 Report Posted January 11, 2004 Originally posted by Peace+Jan 10 2004, 10:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peace @ Jan 10 2004, 10:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -bizabra@Jan 10 2004, 03:57 PM Originally posted by -Peace@Jan 10 2004, 03:03 PM Originally posted by -bizabra@Jan 10 2004, 12:55 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Spencer@Jan 10 2004, 06:40 AM Where is noah's ark? such a large mass that has not been found yet.Whatever man. Noahs Ark is stored in Smaug's (the dragon in The Hobbit) cave, along with The Golden Fleece, the Goose that laid the golden egg, Paul Bunyons ax, the Golden (and Brass) Plates (the Urim and Thumin are safe in THE VAULTS OF THE CHURCH), Peter Rabbits jacket that he lost in Mr McGregors carrot patch, and a whole assortment of other miscellaneous odds and ends from other myths and fairy tales. This is why it hasn't been found yet.Don't give up hope though, "someday" ALL WILL BE REVEALED, and then the cave will be turned into a huge museum for "the faithful" to visit. Entrance will be FREE, with only a "small donation" in the amount of 10% of your "increase" requested. I can't wait to go! It will give us something to do in the "eternities" besides having spirit babies and lording over our personal planets. LOL, every time I read your name, I just have to chuckle. My husband served his mission in Hawii and they had this thing called 'shock awh bra!' with the thumb and little finger pointing up with the three middle fingers folded down...and you swing your hand back and forth this way.My husband and his companions decided they would develop a new 'bra'...and call it a 'shock awh bra' and they would get all kinds of free advertisement there...LOLAnyway, all of your arguments are empty...why don't you do a little deeper thinking? Well, I find your grasp of critical "deeper thinking" (your post about how things "deteriorate" for example) to be "empty", so your opinions of my postings mean little to me, thank you very much.I know I won't have to explain what I mean to anyone with half a brain. LOL....so you get chaffed really easy...still you need to dig a little deeper there on the arguments. tch!!!!!!!!!
Guest antishock82003 Posted January 11, 2004 Report Posted January 11, 2004 Originally posted by srm@Jan 10 2004, 08:38 PM Antishock said15:2 illustrates that "nearly two millions " of the Jaredites had their last great battle at the Hill Cumorah.Then he said,Since they died only a mere 1500-1600 years a ago (not much time archaeologically speaking) I'm sure their exacavation wouldn't be much a a problem. Why haven't we found any artifacts yet?He is trying to create a problem by combining 2 events that were thousands od years apart. Well, wasn't the Hill Cumorah there when the Jaredites fought? Maybe it was in an area of the earth that wasn't affected by the upheavals as described in the BoM.Nevertheless, since you don't want to suppose that the remains of millions of warriors would be located at the Hill Cumorah...where then are the remains/weapns/accoutrements of hundreds of thousands of Pre-Colombian warriors? Where? WHERE!?!??!Please address this one issue.
Cal Posted January 11, 2004 Report Posted January 11, 2004 Regarding upheavals-----read my geologically correct lips---THERE WERE NO UPHEAVALS NEAR THE HEAL CUMORAH DURING THE LAST 5000 YEARS. In fact there haven't been any for at least 10,000 years when the last ice age scoured the area. So much for the Jaredite or Lamanite artifacts.
Cal Posted January 11, 2004 Report Posted January 11, 2004 (Since we don't seem to be able to edit--pardon my misspelling--HILL, not HEAL
Paul Osborne Posted January 11, 2004 Report Posted January 11, 2004 Antishock, We don't know where all the bones and swords are. For all we know they were swept up by the hand of God so that the BofM wouldn't be proven true to the faithless in the last days. B) Paul O
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