The Great And Abominable Church

[Tr2]

You don't see the world as a group of people believing in making and spending money on non essentials while the poor go begging and hungry?

That defines most church's in existance too, including LDS. Now we're calling it a "church"?

You don't see the world as a group of people believing they come first....and everyone else second?

Why did you join the mormon church? I'll tell you. You joined it so you could get something out of it, just like every other person who has ever joined any church in the history of mankind. You come first in your life. I see many people feed the hungry and give money to the poor, in talking with them for 5 minutes I can tell that it was so they could receive some kind of reward. Whether it be feeling good about themselves or getting a pat on the back. You are no exception.

That is the world religion...not everyone participates in this world group.....but it definitely exists...and thrives...even if it is inclosets....and secret places.......

O...................................k.

I think you are very odd and there is a significant portion of your intelligence that you are not using. If you were to tap into it you would see how stupid you really sound.

[Guest Starsky]

Originally posted by lindy9556+Jun 5 2004, 06:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lindy9556 @ Jun 5 2004, 06:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Starsky@Jun 5 2004, 05:35 PM

Thanks Lindy...

You make a very good point. The way to tell if someone is of one church or the other...isn't by their membership card...or Temple Recommend....

it is by what is in their hearts....where their treasure is...

So I had to find out the hard way..AGAIN...one of these days I WILL learn.

What....you are very savy....!

[Guest Starsky]

Originally posted by Tr2@Jun 5 2004, 08:45 PM

You don't see the world as a group of people believing in making and spending money on non essentials while the poor go begging and hungry?

That defines most church's in existance too, including LDS. Now we're calling it a "church"?

You don't see the world as a group of people believing they come first....and everyone else second?

Why did you join the mormon church? I'll tell you. You joined it so you could get something out of it, just like every other person who has ever joined any church in the history of mankind. You come first in your life. I see many people feed the hungry and give money to the poor, in talking with them for 5 minutes I can tell that it was so they could receive some kind of reward. Whether it be feeling good about themselves or getting a pat on the back. You are no exception.

That is the world religion...not everyone participates in this world group.....but it definitely exists...and thrives...even if it is inclosets....and secret places.......

O...................................k.

I think you are very odd and there is a significant portion of your intelligence that you are not using. If you were to tap into it you would see how stupid you really sound.

You just don't get it...I guess it is because you are so close to the trees that you can't see the forest..

[Rodney]

Originally posted by Starsky@Jun 6 2004, 09:39 AM

I just want you to see just how 'stupid' your posts are Rodney.

No argument here. I'm sure you and many others think the same way. What's difficult to understand is why anyone would bother responding to such idiotic posts. No way, I suppose, that I might be fabricating them with any design in mind. No, no way. Just stupid I'm sure.

[Lindy]

Why did you join the mormon church? I'll tell you. You joined it so you could get something out of it, just like every other person who has ever joined any church in the history of mankind. You come first in your life.

And now you are playing God who can look into the hearts of others and tell what they feel? You tell ME why I joined the church Tri, I would like to know what you see, I am curious as to the answer

Starsky~ There is no doubt in my mind that Rodney/Harv gains something from this board. Maybe that is why he is here....there is a purpose for everything, even if we can't comprehend it all. He makes me smile on days that are dreary, therefore serving a purpose.

What....you are very savy....!

And female, and trusting, and...and.....and I am still being tested for reasons I don't know.

[Tr2]

And now you are playing God who can look into the hearts of others and tell what they feel? You tell ME why I joined the church Tri, I would like to know what you see, I am curious as to the answer 

You joined your church for the same reason I joined mine and everybody else in the world joined their. Because you wanted to get something out of it.

In your own words, tell me why you joined the mormon church. And be honest.

I'll tell you why I accepted Christ in my life. I saw something in the lives of believers, that i knew, that I wanted for myself. I didn't join for another person, or for God's sake. I wanted peace for myself. I wanted to be a better person. I joined my church for MY sake. And nobody else around here is any different, they just act like it is.

[Snow]

Originally posted by Tr2@Jun 6 2004, 03:43 PM

I saw something in the lives of believers, that i knew, that I wanted for myself. I didn't join for another person, or for God's sake. I wanted peace for myself. I wanted to be a better person. I joined my church for MY sake. And nobody else around here is any different, they just act like it is.

I need it because for the crackers.

In the final analysis, it's hard to beat Cracker Thursdays.

[Lindy]

In your own words, tell me why you joined the mormon church. And be honest.

I'll tell you why I accepted Christ in my life. I saw something in the lives of believers, that i knew, that I wanted for myself. I didn't join for another person, or for God's sake. I wanted peace for myself. I wanted to be a better person. I joined my church for MY sake. And nobody else around here is any different, they just act like it is.

OK Tri I will have to use some of your post....not that I am copying you, but the same thing applied to my joining the church.......and you gave a beautiful insight as to who you really are and what you stand for......

I joined the LDS church because I found answers that I have been looking for, for most of my life. I joined many years after I had accepted Christ as number one in my life, and many years of searching for the truths I was looking for while attending other churchs. I wanted/needed peace in my life, the kind of peace that I saw in the lives of those that believed in the LDS church....I wanted to know what it was that gave them that peace, along with the love and joy in their lives. I found out. I joined the church for MY sake Tri...and for the sake of my children....I have lost a lot in the wake of my choices... but I still have that peace I found of who I am, who and what I stand for and where I am going after this life.

That's me being honest with you.

[Faerie]

rodney and tr2: in 2 sentences or less please tell me WHY you are so hateful towards the LDS church and its members. Your posts show nothing but contempt and disrespect and i am having the most awful time trying to figure out why on earth you bother posting on this board? if you two disappeared, this board would excel and grow beyond imagination. you do nothing but tear it and my beliefs down and frankly, i tire of reading your tirades. so really, why ARE you here?

[Tr2]

in 2 sentences or less please tell me WHY you are so hateful towards the LDS church and its members

Use the search function and find the answer for yourself.

you do nothing but tear it and my beliefs down and frankly, i tire of reading your tirades

I do not force you to read anything. You read "tirades" because you choose to.

[Setheus]

They are here because they crave attention and need a purpose to live.

Tr either failed out or didn't qualify for BUD/s and Rodney was rejected from

Clown U.

Now, before you two come back and post why I come here I'll just tell you.

I come here to hear the ideas and thoughts of others. I enjoy reading discussions and topics that would never have occured to me otherwise.

Sometimes I like to come here and take jabs at what people reply and thats ok

because I don't take it so far as to hurt or belittle or judge. Ok so mabey I judge a little. B)

Sometimes the reason I come here is meaningless.

But remember this, this board without me would be even more unbearable.

[Faerie]

Originally posted by Tr2@Jun 6 2004, 08:02 PM

in 2 sentences or less please tell me WHY you are so hateful towards the LDS church and its members

Use the search function and find the answer for yourself.

you do nothing but tear it and my beliefs down and frankly, i tire of reading your tirades

I do not force you to read anything. You read "tirades" because you choose to.

what you can muster up meaningless insults by the dozen but can't tell me in 2 sentences or less why you troll here? what a shame...

and unfortunately, your tirades are so intermittently mixed with real posts that it's a bother and a shame...fortunately i've learned the art of scrolling, but still..i would think you'd have something better to do w/ your time than make fun of the mormons...

[Guest Starsky]

Originally posted by Tr2@Jun 6 2004, 07:02 PM

in 2 sentences or less please tell me WHY you are so hateful towards the LDS church and its members

Use the search function and find the answer for yourself.

you do nothing but tear it and my beliefs down and frankly, i tire of reading your tirades

I do not force you to read anything. You read "tirades" because you choose to.

Oh brother...

[Tr2]

They are here because they crave attention and need a purpose to live

Ok Dr Phil.

Sometimes the reason I come here is meaningless

Now why doesn't that surprise me?

But remember this, this board without me would be even more unbearable

I fully support you testing that theory.

what you can muster up meaningless insults by the dozen but can't tell me in 2 sentences or less why you troll here?

Don't be so lazy. Your question has been answered many times in the past. Don't act like I owe you anything. People like you come and go like bad smells around here. And you'll probably be gone too because you're too good for this places and the likes of me.

[Guest jackvance88]

so the catholic church is the G&AC hey. how exactly does that fit with all that preaching by the pope against abortion, same-sex marriage and contraception? the catholic church has been one of the LDS church's staunchest allies in its crusade against anti-family values.

surely the G&AC, the other church so to speak, is Satan's own church. he's meant to be smart and cunning right? so he's not gonna have a denomination with buildings and signs on it and so on. rather it's pervasive and invisible, like a virus, and recruits followers from all walks of life.

[Guest Starsky]

Originally posted by Tr2@Jun 6 2004, 10:32 PM

They are here because they crave attention and need a purpose to live

Ok Dr Phil.

Sometimes the reason I come here is meaningless

Now why doesn't that surprise me?

But remember this, this board without me would be even more unbearable

I fully support you testing that theory.

what you can muster up meaningless insults by the dozen but can't tell me in 2 sentences or less why you troll here?

Don't be so lazy. Your question has been answered many times in the past. Don't act like I owe you anything. People like you come and go like bad smells around here. And you'll probably be gone too because you're too good for this places and the likes of me.

Geeeeeeeegollyyyyyy man....can you hear yourself? You have such self lothing....get help...okay????

[Guest Starsky]

Originally posted by jackvance88@Jun 7 2004, 03:20 PM

so the catholic church is the G&AC hey. how exactly does that fit with all that preaching by the pope against abortion, same-sex marriage and contraception? the catholic church has been one of the LDS church's staunchest allies in its crusade against anti-family values.

surely the G&AC, the other church so to speak, is Satan's own church. he's meant to be smart and cunning right? so he's not gonna have a denomination with buildings and signs on it and so on. rather it's pervasive and invisible, like a virus, and recruits followers from all walks of life.

I think you have it... :)

[Rodney]

What was it Jesus purportedly said about turning the other cheek, loving your enemies, praying for them, something along those lines? Or is this one of those "Bible things" TR2 was talking about that your religion has decided to ignore?

[Tr2]

I can't wait for the cure for PMS to be invented.

[Faerie]

ROFLMAO...so he's rude AND sexist...

I don't suffer from PMS..I'm pregnant...get it right "daddy"

[Jenda]

Originally posted by jackvance88@Jun 7 2004, 03:20 PM

so the catholic church is the G&AC hey. how exactly does that fit with all that preaching by the pope against abortion, same-sex marriage and contraception? the catholic church has been one of the LDS church's staunchest allies in its crusade against anti-family values.

surely the G&AC, the other church so to speak, is Satan's own church. he's meant to be smart and cunning right? so he's not gonna have a denomination with buildings and signs on it and so on. rather it's pervasive and invisible, like a virus, and recruits followers from all walks of life.

The ways of satan are not so obvious that he will create a church with himself as the head.

He will create a church that is soooo close to the true church but with all the doctrines subtly altered, that it would be hard to know which is true or which is false. OR, he will infiltrate a church that started off as the true church, and gradually, over time, change the doctrines so they are no longer recognizable as what it started off as, thereby cheating all those souls who put their trust in that church.

[Faerie]

Jenda, course anyone can apply what you just wrote to the LDS church as Tr2 has so obviously attempted to do so...

I don't think this subject is so pertinent to our salvation that we have to know the answers right now..just my 2 cents

[Jenda]

Originally posted by Faerie@Jun 7 2004, 07:56 PM

Jenda, course anyone can apply what you just wrote to the LDS church as Tr2 has so obviously attempted to do so...

I don't think this subject is so pertinent to our salvation that we have to know the answers right now..just my 2 cents

Oh, I am not allowed to post to the topic now?

And, sorry to say, the topic is pertinent to our salvation. It underlies how we make decisions and choices in our life and determines which side of the fence we will sit on.

[Lindy]

Originally posted by Rodney@Jun 7 2004, 06:47 PM

What was it Jesus purportedly said about turning the other cheek, loving your enemies, praying for them, something along those lines?  Or is this one of those "Bible things" TR2 was talking about that your religion has decided to ignore?

Touché I am sad to say....

[Cal]

Originally posted by Traveler@Jun 4 2004, 01:25 PM

"Sorry I am not around to answer more and I will be gone for a while - kind of a busy time. The G & A C was responsible for removing "plain and precious" truths from the scriptures."

Name one? - I will gladly name a few.

1. The full Book of Enoch - a part of which is quoted in the Book of Jude verses 14-16

2. The Dead Sea Scroll (4Q246) titled “The Son of God”

3. 49 Hebrew words missing between the last verse of Chapter 10 and the first verse of chapter 11 of 1 Samuel.

4. Text Changes in Isaiah 38:11

5. The Gentile prophet of the Last Days as described in the Testaments of the Patriarchs.

"Most of this was accomplished by 100 AD and there really was not a Catholic Church at that time."

Yes there was a Catholic Church. It was founded by this dude from Nazareth....

Sorry I missed the scripture where Jesus ordained a “Pope”, or “Cardinals”. Apostles I can find but not the structure or organization of the Catholic Church as it appears today.

"Recent finds in Caesarea indicate that by 75 AD scriptures were being systematically altered."

Source please? - Tom Newman - retired archeological chair Harvard University

"We know through the Dead Sea Scriptures that the pure parts of the scriptures were still in tact (Old Testament) up to about 73 - 74 AD."

Don't you mean Dead Sea Scrolls? - No I mean the Dead Sea Scriptures. Among the Scrolls that were discovered are scriptures - All of the Old Testament except for one book. Do you not consider the Old Testament Scripture? These documents are the most accurate text found to date - I believe they should be recognized as sacred.

"There should be some overlap as scriptures were hidden up to be preserved. As a matter of fact, I believe there are several relevant scriptures found among the DSS that give understanding. Those that have followed the attempts to keep certain DSS from the public realize that all 50 of them play at least a small part in scriptures being removed from the public."

Care to share an example? - Again there are 50 to name just a few

1.The Messiah of Heaven and Earth (4Q521)

2.The Messianic Leader (4Q285)

3. Servants of Darkness (4Q471)

4. The Tree of Evil (4Q458)

5. The Angels of Mastemoth and the Rule of Belial (4Q390)

"I am sure that the G & A C has been around a long time. 2000 years ago it united leaders from several religious organizations to alter scriptures and is still effective today in keeping many confused and from the truth when the scriptures are rediscovered or restored."

Let me see: Illumaniti, Trilateral Commission, Freemasonry....name your conspiracy.

The Hellenist - Debates concerning Grace vs works. Peter the keeper of Heavens gate vs Mot and the scales of Mot. G-d is unknowable. Just to name a few ideas coming from the Hellenistic conspiracy.

"If one studies the methods and worship of Baal much more becomes clear. Perhaps the next chance I get I would post more about Baal and the interesting method of burning to clean away this particular effect before society can operate ““cleanly””."

Oh, please do. - Later when I have some time. Perhaps you would not mind starting the thread by telling us what you know about Baal, who he was and his role in the scheme of things.

The Traveler

Trav--I asked for "plain and precious TRUTHS", not books....again, what are these "plain and precious truths" that we can't do without?