UHC Assassination/Murder

[JohnsonJones]

On 12/10/2024 at 9:55 AM, NeuroTypical said:

Dude is a high-achieving affluent Ivy Leaguer with anticapitalist leanings.   In January he gave the unabomber's manifesto 4 stars.

“Had the balls to recognize that peaceful protest has gotten us absolutely nowhere and at the end of the day, he’s probably right…. When all other forms of communication fail, violence is necessary to survive. You may not like his methods, but to see things from his perspective, it’s not terrorism, it’s war and revolution.”

Honest question for @Phoenix_person: What percentage of your activist leftist organizing people that you work with, would you say would agree more than disagree?

(The laugh-emoji phenomenon has me a bit spooked, so I'm looking for data in various places, hopefully to calm my nerves a bit.)

The irony I've actually been seeing, especially prior to his capture, was that overwhelmingly the younger conservatives I see in classes and such were in support of what the shooter did.  It appears that many college students, especially conservative ones, have some pretty hefty concerns regarding healthcare...which also includes healthcare companies (and what some of them would term...death panels).

I have no idea what the percentage is, but it is extremely high among the younger ones.  The older conservatives...I was talking to one of my compatriots and they didn't even know what I was talking about.  Another one didn't know much about it either, except that the news had mentioned it and that it was just another one of those New York crimes (you know, New York has a lot of crime, at least that's what she told me). 

I would say, overall, the younger folks are following it a lot closer than us older folks.  They also seem to be more in a like minded way of seeing it (regardless of whether they are conservative or liberal). 

[JohnsonJones]

On 12/10/2024 at 3:02 PM, Carborendum said:

I don't know if I can even consider the "justice system" in New York a bona-fide government operation.

They are only charging Mangione with 2nd Degree murder.

The guy had a false ID to check into a nearby hotel.  He paid with cash.  Then he went home after the murder.

That wasn't premeditated?

They are probably charging (currently) what they feel they can win in court.  They probably feel it should be a slam dunk to win the case in court with a second degree murder charge.  There needs to be a lot more evidence to charge for first degree murder.  This is a very new case, so they probably only have surface evidence so far. 

They are probably still conducting their investigation (and probably will continue for a few weeks).  If and when they feel they have enough evidence to charge for first degree murder, they will elevate the charge.  However, until they gain enough evidence that they feel they can win the case in court, they probably will not bring that charge up.  It takes time to develop a case, especially for first degree murder. 

[Carborendum]

On 12/11/2024 at 8:46 AM, Phoenix_person said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/14/us/steve-scalise-congress-shot-alexandria-virginia.html?smid=url-share

OK, I went home and tried looking it up.  It is behind a paywall, not just an adwall.

I can't read that one either.

[Phoenix_person]

18 hours ago, JohnsonJones said:

The irony I've actually been seeing, especially prior to his capture, was that overwhelmingly the younger conservatives I see in classes and such were in support of what the shooter did.  It appears that many college students, especially conservative ones, have some pretty hefty concerns regarding healthcare...which also includes healthcare companies (and what some of them would term...death panels).

I have no idea what the percentage is, but it is extremely high among the younger ones.  The older conservatives...I was talking to one of my compatriots and they didn't even know what I was talking about.  Another one didn't know much about it either, except that the news had mentioned it and that it was just another one of those New York crimes (you know, New York has a lot of crime, at least that's what she told me). 

I would say, overall, the younger folks are following it a lot closer than us older folks.  They also seem to be more in a like minded way of seeing it (regardless of whether they are conservative or liberal). 

This has been my general observation as well. In spaces where I interact with younger conservatives, one of the few things we can agree on is the general awfulness of American healthcare.

18 hours ago, Carborendum said:

OK, I went home and tried looking it up.  It is behind a paywall, not just an adwall.

I can't read that one either.

Weird. I'll have to double check to make sure I didn't accidentally give them money at some point. 😬

[Carborendum]

Yes, don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain.

[Carborendum]

1 hour ago, Phoenix_person said:

Weird. I'll have to double check to make sure I didn't accidentally give them money at some point. 😬

Most news sites like this allow a certain number of articles for free before they require a subscription.  I've exceeded my share.

Edited December 13, 2024 by Carborendum

[Carborendum]

Apparently, a fund was set up to pay for legal fees for the CEO's murderer.  It has amassed about $300k as of this morning.  The assassin has accepted the payment.

Yeah, don't worry, it's just a bunch of people who feel sorry for such a poor college student who was attending an Ivy League school.  They weren't at all paying him for services rendered.

The left would NEVER take glee at the death of another human being, especially if they considered the victim a political rival (cough, cough).

[LDSGator]

5 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

The left would NEVER take glee at the death of another human being

The “good” news is that everyone but leftists sees through them. You lose the right to call yourself tolerant if you take glee in the cold blooded murder of someone. 

[NeuroTypical]

2 hours ago, Carborendum said:

Apparently, a fund was set up to pay for legal fees for the CEO's murderer.  It has amassed about $300k as of this morning.  The assassin has accepted the payment.

Imma need a source on that one.  Places like Gofundme have policies against raising funds because of criminal actions.  Last news I saw was in December, when all the fundraising sites were working overtime to slap them down as they popped up.

[LDSGator]

28 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Imma need a source on that one.  Places like Gofundme have policies against raising funds because of criminal actions.  Last news I saw was in December, when all the fundraising sites were working overtime to slap them down as they popped up.

https://nypost.com/2025/02/10/us-news/luigi-mangione-takes-nearly-300k-from-donors-to-pay-for-defense-lawyer/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
 

They didn’t use Gofundme. 

[Carborendum]

41 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Imma need a source on that one.  Places like Gofundme have policies against raising funds because of criminal actions.  Last news I saw was in December, when all the fundraising sites were working overtime to slap them down as they popped up.

UnitedHealthcare CEO murder suspect Luigi Mangione accepts $300k in donations | Fox News

[NeuroTypical]

Yeesh.  GiveSendGo huh?  Seems a little like crowdsourcing a hitman to me.   I predict this bit of news isn't done being made.

[LDSGator]

29 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Seems a little like crowdsourcing a hitman to me.

Yup.