Becoming Gods? Is this true?

[bert10]

Did not Jesus Himself who was God-man on the earth; say that we are to do greater works than He did?

How do you propose to do greater works than God if one is not Given Godly powers while still in the flesh? Who but Gods can handle the power of heaven in Righteousness?

John 14:12 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Do you expect God gave you this to do without making available the powers and the authority of heaven available to man?

There is one caveat in all this. Men must believe on Christ as the Scriptures has said and not what men know and teach today about God. That is why they fail and do not receive the promise below.

Here is the condition and the promise given when the condition is fulfilled.

John 7:38 - He that believeth on Me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

If a man believes on Christ as the scriptures hath said [that is why being taught of God is so important for the scriptures have been tampered with and it is because of this the reason why Christians and all others who relies only on the bible cannot receive this promise] He shall be able to give living waters to others because He will be teaching what God Himself would be teaching. Either ones believe we can rise above the state we are in at the moment or that we do not believe. It is not hard. And so it is decreed in heaven that it shall be done to each according to their faith. What is the vision of your faith? to be servants and slaves or to be inheritors and be joint-heirs with Christ and be glorified together. You choose.

that is all I wish to expound on at this time.

Peace be unto you

bert10

I do not think we are all "already Gods." At least, not all of us. I believe that Abraham 3 mentions that only a select group of spirits were among the "noble and great ones", who in Abraham 4 are called Gods in the creation process. Not all spirits were necessarily in this group.

Just as an acorn has potential to be an oak tree, we have potential to be Gods. But potential and being are two different things. There were some who had achieved godhood in the premortal existence, many that came here with potential, and 1/3 that lost their entire inheritance. When and if an acorn becomes the tree depends on many things. Yes, we have a promised inheritance that we can lose, and I agree on that part.

I also believe that most will inherit some of our Father's glory, but not all of it. They shall choose something short of godhood that fits them best, whether in the Celestial, Terrestrial, or Telestial realm.

[Hemidakota]

I would suspect if any membership outside of the Godhead are considered as embryonic Gods, it will be those ‘noble’ discussed by Abraham [Chapter 3].

President Brigham Young usually had more on this topic than any other latter-day prophet:

"The Lord created you and me for the purpose of becoming Gods like himself, when we have been proved in our present capacity, and have been faithful with all things he puts into our possession.” [Discourses of Brigham Young]

Yet in my own assumption, I would assume any of the Church of the First Born would be included since their election are made sure in this mortality.

[Hemidakota]

I do understand our Heavenly Parental love for HIS progeny; as I do understand the plan of our FATHER for a redeemer to forefill that very plan in order to save HIS creation. As I also understand the creational beginning was not the beginning of humanity. As I now understand the Plan of Atonement, if worked backward in succession to our beginning spelled out in Abraham chapter 3 [D&C 93], gives more clarity of humanity beginnings. Now, who is the greatest story teller ever? When I read Moses genesis of creation, I do see it now in a different light when the greatest story teller reveals a truth when Adam and Eve were created.

There is a 'creational string' connection with the Atonement back to the beginning our humanity, which gives credence to biblical axiom '…demands of justice...' . GOD continues in the same order as it was before HIM.

When I view the universe, I don’t view it within, but I view without. What I do see is an entire different depiction from what notable scholars and science would have you believe. Our last finding with immense hole in space this month is one more illustration of my point.

Now, I sat down with my 12-year old and presented her a paper on what I wanted to convey. Why her? Our family notable intellectual and current thinking is without scholastic prejudicism. She read the paper and came away with series of questions that she felt somewhat, unsettling.

I was reading a reply from my Missionary son this morning and was 'shock to read' this from my book-worm daughter e-mail portion right now:

Dear Michael,

I have to say that I've had a nice experience. I had decided to pray to

Heavenly Father about if this church was really true.

Last Sunday I had a dream about St. John and Revelation in the bible. I was

Pretty happy that i dreamt about them, so

I'm reading both.

Love ya - bye,

Rebeckah

[Mullenite]

Immortality of Man

Deep in the heart of practically every person who has lived in this world, God has implanted a hope-yes, more than that-even a strong desire, that he will live on after death. The immortality of man is an unusual concept. The study of ancient religions reveals the fact that any religion that was popular with its devotees and became a religion of prominence attained that popularity and prominence as a result of assuring its members that following their sojourn on this earth they would experience a happy, glorious, and blessed immortality. The same fact holds true today.

When Father Adam and Eve were upon this earth, through his Only Begotten Son, God revealed to them the gospel of Jesus Christ; and as one of the most important doctrines in that gospel he gave them the assurance that if they and their posterity would live in accordance with all the teachings, doctrine, and ordinances revealed to them that some day they would be able to come back into his presence. There they would not only experience immortality but they would also enjoy the great blessing of eternal life.

Throughout the various ages when God has revealed gospel principles to his holy prophets, he has always given them that one great idea that men will live on throughout the eternities.

A little over a hundred years ago when the gospel plan of salvation was being restored to the Prophet Joseph Smith in our dispensation, the various Christian denominations held the concept that men would live on after death, and yet their understanding of the unseen world was very hazy and vague. They had little, if any, information regarding our pre-mortal life, and their post- mortal life concepts were very erroneous in many respects. It became necessary, therefore, for our Father in heaven to reveal again to earth an abundance of knowledge relative to the immortality of man and point out the pathway to follow in order to gain eternal life. As a result of God's concern over his children, the Prophet Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon. It contains much doctrine pertaining especially to post-mortal life. He also received the wonderful revelations recorded in the D&C. Section seventy-six is the greatest revelation regarding post- mortal life to be found recorded in any book in the world. Joseph receive the Pearl of Great Price in which we find much information on the council of the gods and our pre-mortal existence.

Resurrection of Jesus Christ

We not only have the teachings of the prophets and revelation regarding the immortality of man, but we have a lot of absolute evidence. The greatest of all evidence that you and I are immortal, that we will live on after we leave this life, is the fact that Jesus Christ, following his crucifixion, rose from the grave. He appeared to many people in and around Jerusalem, thereby establishing the fact that he was immortal and extending the promise to humanity that as he had risen from the grave so would all men.

We read in the book of Matthew that at the time of the Savior's resurrection the graves of saints who had lived godly lives while in mortality were opened, and they appeared to many people in and around Jerusalem. These saints could have been such characters as Father Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Noah, and the other holy prophets and their wives who belonged to "the Church of the Firstborn."

Following his resurrection, Jesus Christ also appeared to the Nephites who lived in this land. On one of those occasions he told them to bring their records to him. As he read that record, he asked them if Samuel the Lamanite had not prophesied that when Christ was resurrected the graves of the ancient saints would be opened and that they would appear to these Nephite people. He was informed that such had been the prophecies and that those prophecies have been fulfilled. Thereupon he instructed the Nephite historian to write that great prophecy and its fulfillment in their records in order that you and I in the latter days might know for a surety that we would live on after death; that we are immortal beings as well as mortal.

Latter-Day Testimony

Over one hundred years ago Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith on several occasions. Christ was a resurrected, glorified celestialized God when he made those appearances. Interspersed among those visitations, other beings who had lived upon this earth in ancient days appeared to the Prophet Joseph. Such persons as the Angel Moroni, Peter, James, and John, John the Baptist, Moses, Elias, Elijah, Michael, Raphael, and others visited Joseph Smith. Each appearance, of course, added testimony upon testimony regarding the immortality of man and the eternal life that the righteous ones who live upon this earth will eventually attain.

In the doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints we have a rather comprehensive understanding of our pre-mortal life. We are taught that you and I are brothers and sisters; in fact, all the men, women, and children who have ever come into this world are brothers and sisters, and they were all sons and daughters of God the Eternal Father and our Eternal Mother in that celestial spirit realm before we came into mortality. We are taught that we were born into that spirit realm as babies, and that we grew to maturity there, undergoing the various experiences which were there for us prior to our coming to mortality. Also through revelation we have learned that the gods held a council preparatory to the peopling of this earth in which the plans for mortality were discussed and proclaimed.

Our Destination

Probably of all the human beings who have lived upon this earth, at least a vast majority of them have asked this question of themselves: "Where do we go when we die?" I would say to all Latter-day Saints on this occasion that the place to which you and I go when we die will be determined, to a great extent, upon how we live while we are here-I mean our ultimate destination, the goal that we are striving for. We have the true plan of salvation, the gospel of Jesus Christ, with all the ordinances of the gospel, all the teachings, including the Holy Priesthood after the Order of the Son of God. All of these things which are necessary to bring us back into the presence of God and exalt us in celestial glory are ours. We know, therefore, what will be our destination as members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints if we will live by every word that comes from the mouth of God. On the other hand, with all the power, priesthood, ordinances, doctrines, opportunities, and blessings that are ours, we als know that if we sin sufficiently, we have the power to condemn ourselves to the greatest of depths, even to cast our souls down to hell. The prophets have proclaimed that where much is given much is required at our hands.

To the Latter-day Saints death is not such a serious thing. It doesn't make a lot of difference how long we live in this world. The thing which is of vital importance, however, to you and me is how we live. Are we prepared to meet the. Eternal Father and his Only Begotten Son? If death should come upon us any minute, are we prepared to go into the other world and eventually come into the celestial kingdom of God? That should be your goal and that should be my goal. We should live such a clean and pure life each day, rendering obedience to all the principles and ordinances of the gospel to such an extent that we would be ready to die whenever death comes upon us.

[Mullenite]

Spirit World

Every person who dies will go into a world known as the spirit world. Those who have lived righteous lives here in mortality will find there a paradise, a heaven, a place of peace, of joy, of opportunities, of progression. On the other hand, those who have lived wicked lives will find themselves in the spirit world somewhat as if they were in prison. In fact, the prophets speak of that world as a prison. We read in Second Peter that at the time the Savior's body lay in the tomb, his spirit went to the spirit world and opened the doors of the gospel to those who were drowned in the flood at Noah's time. Those people had been detained from hearing the gospel, being in prison during that long period of time of more than two thousand years.

Some people that I have talked to have the concept that when they die that suddenly, their sins will all be washed away, and they will become white and glorious, pure and clean, in somewhat of an automatic or miraculous way. Such is not the case. According to the ancient prophets, especially the Book of Mormon, sustained by modern revelation, when we die, if we are filthy, we are filthy still. The fact that we die doesn't change us one iota. You and I are dual personages, possessing a spirit body which dwells in a physical body. Death is the separation of that spiritual body from the physical body. All of our good deeds, our bad deeds; the knowledge we have attained; our habits, our evil and good inclinations, are resident in the spirit. The spirit personage contains the personality, or, in other words, the spirit is the real individual. Having an understanding of this doctrine, therefore, we know that when we die we take with us to the other world exactly what we have made of ourselves while living in mortality. There is only one way that I know whereby you and I can purify ourselves, and that one way is through repentance. The things that we should repent of here in mortality will probably be easier to repent of now instead of putting them off until we go to the other world and have to overcome those handicaps at that time; and so I would say, "today is the day to prepare to meet God. Permit me to quote the words of an ancient Nephite prophet on that subject:

For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men, to perform their labors.

. . . if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed. (Book of Mormon, Alma 34:32-33.)

A Probationary State

Every person after he or she leaves this life will stay in the spirit world a certain length of time in order to continue to prepare himself to come into the presence of God. In that spirit world there is a lot of activity. The gospel of Jesus Christ is being taught to those who have not received the plan of salvation here in mortality, and especially to those who previously have not had opportunity. When those people in the spirit world have received the gospel, the temple work that mortals do for them consummates the work for their acceptance of Jesus Christ and the plan of salvation there in the spirit world. The spirit world, then, is another probationary state in order that the sons and daughters of God who will might prepare themselves to meet him.

Universal Resurrection

Following our sojourn in the spirit world comes the resurrection. There will be a universal resurrection of every man, woman, and child. Just as we all die, so must we all rise from the grave. Amulek declared:

. . . I say unto you that this mortal body is raised to an immortal body, that is from death, even from the first death unto life, that they can die no more; their spirits uniting with their bodies, never to be divided; thus the whole becoming spiritual and immortal, that they can no more see corruption. (Ibid. 11:45.)

Jesus Christ came into the world and died for the sins of the world. He broke the bands of death and was resurrected, being the first fruits of the resurrection. He set into operation the law of resurrection and thereby gave as a free gift to every man, woman, and child, resurrection, or, in other words, immortality. Thus we will all, the wicked as well as the righteous, enjoy immortality.

The Great Judgment

Following the resurrection comes the great judgment. Every person who has lived and shall live in this world-every man, woman, and child-shall stand before the judgment seat judgment seat of God to answer for the life he or she lived here in mortality, and also to answer for the life lived in the spirit world.

Alma, that great Nephite prophet, was preaching this doctrine one day to his people. He explained to them that every man, woman, and child, "both bond and free . . . both the wicked and the righteous," would be resurrected and required to stand before the judgment seat of God. There they would be held accountable for the lives they lived while in mortality, for every act they committed, yea for every word they spoke, and for every thought that they thought. You and I are responsible beings, accountable for the things that we think. To quote:

For our words will condemn us, yea, all our works will condemn us; we shall not be found spotless; and our thoughts will condemn us. (Ibid. 12:14.)

Alma also explained on that occasion that God would divide the people into two groups. He would look upon the members of one group and smile. They are the righteous. He would proclaim to them that they could enter into his presence. Great would be their joy. And then he would look upon those who composed the other group, and they should be so ashamed because of the lives they had lived in mortality that they would cry to the mountains to come down and hide them from the presence of God. But such would not be the case. They would have to stay in his presence while being judged, and every knee would bow and every tongue would confess that he was the Christ; that his judgments were true and just. And then they would hear the voice of God tell them to depart from him because of the sinful lives that they had lived. This is the group spoken of in the scripture, declaring that they would weep and wail and gnash their teeth because they had lost the great blessing of celestial and eternal life.

[Mullenite]

Three Degrees of Glory

Following the judgment, according to modern revelation, a vast majority of the inhabitants of this earth will be assigned to one or another of three kingdoms, worlds, or degrees of glory. These are termed the celestial, the terrestrial, and the celestial. The law by which we are quickened at the time of resurrection will determine the world to which we shall be assigned. Let us hear the word of the Lord on that subject:

For notwithstanding they die, they also shall rise again, a spiritual body.

They who are of a celestial spirit shall receive the same body which was a natural body; even ye shall receive your bodies, and your glory shall be that glory by which your bodies are quickened.

Ye who are quickened by a portion of the celestial glory shall then receive of the same, even a fulness.

And they who are quickened by a portion of the terrestrial glory shall then receive of the same, even a fulness.

And also they who are quickened by a portion of the telestial glory shall then receive of the same, even a fulness.

And they who remain shall also be quickened; nevertheless, they shall return again to their own place, to enjoy that which they are willing to receive, because they were not willing to enjoy that which they might have received. (D. & C. 88:27-32.)

Celestial Glory

To the Latter-day Saints our interests lie in the celestial glory. In fact, we don't have much interest in the other two degrees because we are assured through revelation that those who go to the celestial degree of glory and receive exaltation are members of the Church of the Firstborn who have lived by every word that has come from the mouth of God, being humble, and faithful in all of their activities here in life. We are heirs, therefore, of celestial glory. The gateway into celestial glory is faith, repentance, baptism, and confirmation; and then, of course, as the Saints enter the kingdom of God by compliance with the foregoing requirements, they make their calling and election sure by rendering obedience to all the ordinances and doctrines of the gospel of Jesus Christ from day to day throughout the entire course of this mortal life. These are they who shall dwell in the presence of God.

Exaltation

In the celestial degree of glory there are three kingdoms or three degrees. The highest of these constitutes those who receive exaltation or eternal life. They are they who live the law of the priesthood or the new and everlasting covenant of marriage, known as celestial marriage. The Latter-day Saints, as well as the people throughout the various ages of the world who have belonged to the true Church of Jesus Christ, who have been married by the power of the priesthood and have obeyed all the priesthood covenants that they have entered into, having lived in accordance with all the teachings of the gospel, these are they who shall be exalted in the celestial realm. The Lord has given his law on this doctrine as follows:

. . . verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; [and if they commit no sin to break that seal]; . . . they shall pass by the angels and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fullness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.

Then shall they be gods. (Ibid., 132:19-20.)

The Prophet Joseph Smith explained that this continuation of "the seeds" forever and ever, meant the power of procreation; in other words, the power to beget spirit children on the same principle as we were born to our Heavenly Parents, God the Eternal Father and our Eternal Mother. Therefore, a man cannot receive the highest exaltation without a woman, his wife, nor can a woman be exalted without her husband. That is the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the plan of salvation. Eternal life is the greatest gift that God has in store for those who love him and keep his commandments, and you and I know how it can be attained.

In the celestial degree of glory there are two other divisions. They are occupied by angels of God. These angels are the ones who did not abide by the law of celestial marriage; however; they accepted Christ and lived good lives, but they did not accept all the gospel ordinances. This is the word of the Lord on that subject:

For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are angels of God forever and ever. (Ibid., 132:17.)

Eternal Life

My brethren and sisters, where do we go when we die? As Latter-day Saints we hope some day to go not only to the celestial degree of glory but also to receive exaltation in his kingdom, i.e., to receive eternal life. If we accept all the ordinances of the gospel of Jesus Christ and obey all of the teachings of the gospel; if we abide by the law of celestial marriage; if we pay our tithes and offerings to the Lord; if we are clean and pure in thought and habit, thereby keeping our bodies as temples of God, clean and pure as he wants us to do; if we live virtuously and in every way serve him, then at the great judgment day we will hear the voice of God say to us, words to this effect: "Well done, my beloved servants. You were faithful in the few, small things that I gave you to do in mortality, you may, therefore, now come into my presence." And to continue to paraphrase the D&C, "Then shall they pass by the angels and gods who are stationed there to their exaltation, and they shall become priests and kings to he Most High God. They shall become as he is." In other words, they shall have eternal life. Then shall the oath and covenant of the priesthood be brought into effect which you and I have made, each of us who holds the

[kona0197]

I've always thought that if you say you can become like God that saying that is blasphemy and sinful.

[Snow]

I've always thought that if you say you can become like God that saying that is blasphemy and sinful.

Psalms says Ye are Gods and Christ quote Psalms saying Ye are Gods and the Law cannot be broken.

[kona0197]

What verse?

[skalenfehl]

Ps. 82: 6

6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

John 10: 34-35

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

[kona0197]

I would have to read the whole chapter. I'm pretty sure you guys are misusing a scripture to prove a point yet again.

[skalenfehl]

Then when you've finished reading Psalms and the Book of John, I'd love to hear who you think is being referred to as gods in Psalms and who Christ was referring to when he told the Jews themselves that "ye are gods" too. I'm anxious to hear it.

[kona0197]

OK will do. I'm currently in Kings right now.

[Snow]

I would have to read the whole chapter. I'm pretty sure you guys are misusing a scripture to prove a point yet again.

... and I'm pretty sure that I love to see you demonstrate that I misusing scripture to prove a point.

It never cease to amaze that when someone doesn't like was scripture says then say that the scripture must mean something other than what it says...

[WillowTheWhisp]

I have a daughter. I am her mother. If someone were to ask her she could ever become a mother then the answer would of course be 'yes' but if they were to ask her if she will ever be me then the answer is obviously 'no'. Even when she becomes a mother with children of her own I will still be her mother.

We are children of God. We are as much like him as my daughter is like me. He will always be our God but that doesn't mean that we will never 'grow up' to be like him.

[Mullenite]

John 10:33-36 records part of an exchange between Jesus and some Jewish scribes in which the Savior cited man's potential for Godhood in order to refute

the change that He had committed blasphemy by claiming to be the Son of God. In refuting the scribes, Jesus quoted Psalm 82:6; where Elohim says, "I have said, Ye are gods; and of you are children of the Most High." There is a great of debate about the precise meaning of this Psalm in the Old Testament

context. An analysis of that debate is beyond the scope of the present discussion. The most important thing about this verse is that Jesus interpreted

it to mean that mankind had the potential for deification.

Some commentators disagree and suggest Christ was quoting Psalm 86:6; sarcastically so as to mock and condemn the Jews who were challenging him.

Among other things, advocates of this position point to the Savior's use of the word "called" and maintain that therefore Jesus was not teaching that man could actually be defiled. However, such an interpretation dose not fit

the context of Christ's usage of the Psalm, and it takes the logical force out of his argument. John 10:33-36 reads as follows in the RSV:

The Jews answered him, :It is not for a good work that we stone you but for blasphemy; because you, being a man, yourself God."

Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, you are gods'?

If he called them gods to whom the word of God came (and scripture cannot be broken), do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, I am the Son of God?""

If we say that Psalms 82:6 was quoted merely to condemn the Jewish scribes, then the Savior's argument is deprived of any logical force. If Christ was not citing Psalm 82:6 to appeal to man's potential for divinization, then

the scribes could very well have replied as follows:

How does this Psalm help your case? If you're saying this verse does not mean we can become gods, and if you are only quoting it to label us as such in order to condemn us, than how does this Psalm mitigate your claim to be the Messianic Son of God, I.e., Jehovah come to earth? What difference does it make if men are merely called "god" and "son of the Most High," when you claim to be Yahweh himself (John 8:58)? Who cares what men are called, when you assert that the Father has placed "allthings" in your hands, thatyou are the key to eternal life, and that no one can come unto the Father except through you (John 3:35-36; 5:18-47; 8:13-42)?

The plain sense of the Savior's reply to the Jews is that He was appealing to man's potential for Godhood to demonstrate the inconsistency of the charge that had committed

blasphemy by claiming to be the Son of God. In other words, Christ was saying to his detractors, "Why do you accuse me of blasphemy for claiming to be the Son of God when all men

are children of the Most High and have the potential to become like him?"

[rameumptom]

I've always thought that if you say you can become like God that saying that is blasphemy and sinful.

No, the blasphemy comes in trying to make yourself a God. Only God can make us to be like He is, and it has to be done in His way.

Satan was kicked out of heaven for trying to set his throne above God's, according to LDS writings and accepted by many Christians as a reading of Isaiah 14. As it is, the Babylonian king was cast down because he did try to set up his throne above God's.

But the scriptures are full of statements that we will be like God, joint-heirs with Christ, sit on God's throne with him and reign, etc. All of these are God's plan for us, and in LDS (and Biblical) language, means we can be subordinate gods to God the Father.

But it has to be done in God's way. Any other method used to become a god is against God's will and way, and therefore becomes blasphemy. Jesus told us the greatest in the kingdom is servant of all. Most wicked who seek to be gods place themselves above others and have others as their servants. This is often the key difference - to be a god means serving others throughout all eternity, as we seek to assist Heavenly Father in saving and exalting children. For God's "work and glory is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man" (Moses 1:39).

[Hemidakota]

No part of LDS belief entails us becoming equal to or on the same level as God, the Father.

Joint-heirs with Christ. Perhaps that is what is being said.

[Hemidakota]

I know of no angel who ever became a human being. But, you are entitled to your belief and opinions. I am of the belief and opinion that angels are not the same type of creature that Man is. God is different from the angels just as angels are different from Mankind.

Remember, that is your viewpoint. I appreciate that for letting me know. :)

[Hemidakota]

Ps. 82: 6

6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

John 10: 34-35

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Agreed. At this point, some will except partial scriptures for their own view and not the whole.

[Guest tomk]

No part of LDS belief entails us becoming equal to or on the same level as God, the Father.

As Hemi pointed-out, that actually is not accurate.

LDS Theology explicitly states that, in the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom, we are to become joint heirs...equal to The Godhead in exalation, power and priviledge.

Rom. 8: 17

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Being a "joint-heir" with Christ means equal to.

[kona0197]

That whole verse was talking about suffering with Christ. You have to read the whole chapter. You can't take verses out of context.

[rameumptom]

As Hemi pointed-out, that actually is not accurate.

LDS Theology explicitly states that, in the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom, we are to become joint heirs...equal to The Godhead in exalation, power and priviledge.

Rom. 8: 17

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Being a "joint-heir" with Christ means equal to.

But, while joint-heir with Christ, we are still subordinate to the Father. It is He who bestows upon us His light, power and grace that enables us to become Gods and share in the divine council experience with him. Without the Father or Jesus Christ, we could not obtain. So, while we are equal in power and privilege, we are still subordinate to them in the sense that they are our Fathers and Creators.

[Mullenite]

Hey Kona 0197; Thats your opinion, I'm a expert in teaching.... usc, Mont Wachusett College, Haifa University

in Israel in ancient history and foreign languages. Graduated in Modern Standard Arabic and Egyptian dialect from the Defence Language ( Hebrew) Institute in CA.

THE VERSE IS NOT OUT OF CONTEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kona0197]

In the way you are using it it is out of context.