What Responsibilities Will We Have As Gods?

[Gaea]

If We Can Be Gods One Day, What Plan Would You Make In Order To Not forsake Your Own Creations.

Questions

1. Would You Test Your Own Born Children By Allowing Them To Be Tempted To Sin.

2. Would You Really Create An Adam And Eve Type Beginning, Knowing That You Allowed Evil Into Their Presence.

3. Would The Plan Have To Be The Same As The Plan We Have Now, In Order For Our Children To be Saved.

4. If We Create Our Own Civilisation As A God And Godess And Create A Plan For Them. Then Will Our Children Have Total Freewill In Our Plan. Total Free Will So So Every Thought They Have Is Thier's And Not Manipulated By the Devil. I Will Create A New Topid To Define This Question

5. If You Knew You Had to Put Your Children Through All That We Are Going Through, Knowing That Some Of Them Will Go To Eternal Death, Would You Allow Them To Be Born On The Earth You Create, Wheather OR Not They had The Ability To Choose To Be Born As Mortal Beings, Would You Allow Them That Choice Even If You Know Their Future Is To Be Eternaly Dead.

6. After Realising That Maybe God Did Not Plan For Satan To Rebel In Heaven, Would You Realise That Maybe We Can Not Become Gods, Because Knowing That You Plan To Condemn Your Own Creations And Not Truley Show Eternal Love And Compassion Towards Your Creations Because You Know They Will Rebell In Heaven And Earth, Would You Really Want To Have The Power To Create.

7. Would You Want To Be, Self Glorifying The Fact That One Day Your Faith And Rightchiosness Will Make You A God One Day. On The Earth We Should Not Know Such Things Or Brag About Them Others Wise We Are Already Idolising Ourselves As Future Gods And That Is A Sin.

8. Did One Of The Commandments State That We Shall Not Worship Any Other God, Is It Not An Equal Commandment To Braging That We Will Be A God, To Worship That Will Can Be A God.

[Dr T]

4. Will Our children Have Complete Free Will, So Their Minds Are Not Manipulated to Sin By Evil.

You lost me on that question unless your redefine "free will." Do you think to have "complete free will" you are unable chose to act sinfully?

[WillowTheWhisp]

1. Yes, how else would they grow strong?

2. Yes - see above.

3. I'm really not sure of this but probably.

4. Yes they would have to be allowed to think and choose for themselves otherwise they would not be individuals - see answer 1.

5. Knowing that nothing imperfect can exist with God then the children have to develop and become perfect. Yopu could ask a similar question of any parent on earth if they knew there was a possibility a child of theirs would go off the rails despite all the advice they are given would they choose not to have children? I think the answer would always be 'yes'.

6. I'm afraid I can't make sense of this question. I don;t see the connection.

7. There is no bragging involved in knowing that we will all grow up one day. Is a child bragging when he knows he will become an adult? It just affects our lives and our choices in our 'childhood' on earth knowing what we are aiming for in eternity - a bit like children in school who know what their career choices are being able to use that to select the subjects they wish to study in order to acheive that goal.

8. Yes we should not worship any other God - is there anything which says we are worshipping each other when we acknowledge our eternal potential? Unfortunately some people do worship others as idols (footballers, pop stars, actors) but that has nothing to do with their potential Godhood. We will all acheive our 'adult' god status at the same time as each other and we will all still worship our Heavenly Father.

[Flyonthewall]

To be honest, I'm still trying to figure out my responsibility as a mortal husband and father. I don't really put much thought into the responsibilities of G_d. I guess there would be some sort of orientation or training, if/when that happens.

[Elgama]

I agree with Fly, but here is how I answer based on what I know as a mortal Mum

1. Yes of course, with my mortal children I want to love them until they no longer need me - cutting the apron strings is part of that

2.Yes I want my children to leave home, I'll be throwing a party when they do its my greatest goal as a parent to see happy, health independent children working towards their dreams

3. Don't know but if it works then yes I might use it

4.We have power over Satan and are more than capable of sinning without him me thinks he gets too much credit when people sin, its us that chooses to listen to him and ignore the Holy Ghost and guidance our Heavenly Father is giving them

5. Yes I have had my children knowing I could pass on a terrible painful illness to them - however I think they deserve the chance to live, and my children may make mistakes and I may make mistakes,

6. I think this is an issue can wait until afterlife I know I love my Heavenly Father now - the moment we live in is the one at which we touch eternity, every moment is eternal

7. I don't want to be a God I love my Heavenly Father above all else He has earned my love and respect, I do what he asks because His guidance in my life has proved wise.

8. Not if the God we worship says its possible no its not bragging to say so.

-Charley

[a-train]

What are we doing now?

-a-train

[tubaloth]

O-boy a bunch of useless questions for me to answer!!!

1. Would You Test Your Own Born Children By Allowing Them To Be Tempted To Sin.

Sure! I realize my children have learned (up to this point) to make correct choices. Now, its time for phase two. Send them to a mortal world were they have to learn to live by faith. Well they still make the correct choice? Well they realize that I (as god) can still bring them happiness more then anything else, or well they choose to give into mortal desires and the natural man.

2. Would You Really Create An Adam And Eve Type Beginning, Knowing That You Allowed Evil Into Their Presence.

Evil isn’t bad, Evil is used to learn the Good. How can my children know what is Good with out the bad? How can you learn what cold water is with out Warm or hot water.

Its more Evil is a lack of them following me. If they choose to go a different way then what I have taught them, then they well be left to there own power, and realize how they can’t do it with out me. [see here ]

3. Would The Plan Have To Be The Same As The Plan We Have Now, In Order For Our Children To be Saved.

Exactly the same plan. I have to assume (being a mortal living on earth) that God designed the perfect plan for saving his children. The key ingredient is Agency. It allows each person in the plan to climb as high as they are willing to climb! It allows each person to be in charge (for the most part) of what they can accomplish! There is no way for me to design a better plan that be both statify the demands of Justice and still be merciful.

Total Free Will So So Every Thought They Have Is Thier's And Not Manipulated By the Devil.

???? The thoughts I have are mine. What ever manipulation that Devil has, is only what I let him have. If I give into his temptations then I more bound by him. (in a way draw closer to him and farther from God).

Would You Allow Them To Be Born On The Earth You Create, Wheather OR Not They had The Ability To Choose To Be Born As Mortal Beings, Would You Allow Them That Choice Even If You Know Their Future Is To Be Eternaly Dead.

IF they didn't want to keep going with the plan, then I guess I would allow them to make that choice. TO stay at the state they are. But really it would come down to ether follow my plan, or go your own way.

It probably wouldn’t be easy… but I knew it would be the most fair for everybody. I have to realize that allowing everybody to make there own choices, is people are going to choose a different way. That is part of having the power to choose.

6.

This is kind of a long run on sentence (which I don’t really understand) so lets take it piece by piece.

After Realising That Maybe God Did Not Plan For Satan To Rebel In Heaven,

How could this NOT have been planed for. I (as god) present a plan that everybody makes there own choice. The only other option is to have another plan where ever choice is made for you. The idea of Guaranteed salvation is to appealing to people. (thus the reason why we have people that believe all that all they have to do is say Christ’s name and they have been saved nothing else is required).

Would You Realise That Maybe We Can Not Become Gods, Because Knowing That You Plan To Condemn Your Own Creations And Not Truley Show Eternal Love And Compassion Towards Your Creations Because You Know They Will Rebell In Heaven And Earth, Would You Really Want To Have The Power To Create.

The love for my Children is letting them reach as high as they can. Any so called "Codnemen" is what they end up choosing for themselves. Forcing them into some decision, just because my Love for them, won't work. Love is allowing them to reach there full potential.

7. Would You Want To Be, Self Glorifying The Fact That One Day Your Faith And Rightchiosness Will Make You A God One Day. On The Earth We Should Not Know Such Things Or Brag About Them Others Wise We Are Already Idolising Ourselves As Future Gods And That Is A Sin.

Well I’m glade you make this blanked statement for all (I am guessing) LDS members.

I don’t go around saying, guess what I’m going to be a god. What I go around saying is, I need to follow Christ’s example, I need to learn to keep the commandments more fully. I need to apply what I learn, that maybe, just maybe I well make it back with my Heavenly Father. I dare to say this is more the views of LDS members, then sitting around talking about being gods. I would like to know where you got your data from to make such a statement?

8. Did One Of The Commandments State That We Shall Not Worship Any Other God, Is It Not An Equal Commandment To Braging That We Will Be A God, To Worship That Will Can Be A God.

Sure if that’s how you view it. (which isn’t a correct view). I’m not worshiping myself, or anybody else. I well always know that the only way I have made it that far (how ever far that is) that it is because of God’s help. (see 1 Nephi 17: 12-14) Just as Christ gave all the Glory to the Father, I can’t reach my full potential (theirs that word again) with out knowing who helped me reach that.

I’m guessing you are new to this idea of Humans being able to become like God. Its not an easy doctrine for anybody (even LDS people miss understand it). But even more, that isn’t something I even remotely try to understand. Is that something that can happen for me, Yes. How in what manner, I don’t know. I know that after this life the rest of what is next well be explained to me. What I am concerned about here and now is how I live my life here and now. How I follow the Gospel of Jesus Christ here and now. If you want to worry about it, go for it!

[MaidservantX]

Gaea,

You are a daughter of a heavenly Father who loves you and knows you by name. Do you believe this?

I hope you do.

If you don't, then in my opinion, all other information and ideas in heaven and earth are of no, or limited, value.

If you are seeking to truly understand the answers to the questions you pose, you have to begin at the beginning. Would you like to know where the beginning is? Do you really want to know?

Coming to know God, your Father, and His Son, Jesus Christ, is an amazing journey. Would you like to begin the journey? (And I'll bet you have already taken some steps. :) )

The answers to the questions you pose can never be understood without a foundation that I am not sure you have yet . . . but we can start if you truly desire.

Happy Seeking and God bless.

[WANDERER]

Gaia some really good thinking there. From what I gather, there was a bit of deliberation about the 'right plan' for it all. I have wondered what the discussion would have entailed. Why this plan is an interesting question, though I think better minds than I have, have pondered this question.

On the becoming a god thing...as far as I know, subordination to God is pretty much still there in that belief. Not sure where I am with that concept of oneday becoming 'gods' (I'm not LDS)...as a slight parallel I relate it to the concept of trying to follow Jesus. A big difference though between following His teachings for us and following Him ...to becoming 'like' Jesus. Raising the bar rather high.

[Guest tomk]

Questions

1. Would You Test Your Own Born Children By Allowing Them To Be Tempted To Sin.

Yes, but that environment would be matched with an equal amount of "good" counsel as well. Then they can choose for themselves what they desire most.

2. Would You Really Create An Adam And Eve Type Beginning, Knowing That You Allowed Evil Into Their Presence.

I don't know how it will happen. I imagine I would.

You seem to be suggesting that it is is somehow Heavenly Father's mistake to have "let" us become exposed to temptation and evil. Nothing could be further from the truth. He knowingly allowed us to enter an environment where we would be tried and tested. In fact, we voluntarily agreed to do it.

3. Would The Plan Have To Be The Same As The Plan We Have Now, In Order For Our Children To be Saved.

I don't know, but I imagine will will follow the pattern He teaches us as we learn to become Gods.

4. If We Create Our Own Civilisation As A God And Godess And Create A Plan For Them. Then Will Our Children Have Total Freewill In Our Plan. Total Free Will So So Every Thought They Have Is Thier's And Not Manipulated By the Devil. I Will Create A New Topid To Define This Question

Yes, our children would have freewill.

The devil does lie to us and he tries to manipulate us. THAT is why it is so important to stay close to Christ at all times and to look unto Him in every thought...so we can have His protection and counsel.

5. If You Knew You Had to Put Your Children Through All That We Are Going Through, Knowing That Some Of Them Will Go To Eternal Death, Would You Allow Them To Be Born On The Earth You Create, Wheather OR Not They had The Ability To Choose To Be Born As Mortal Beings, Would You Allow Them That Choice Even If You Know Their Future Is To Be Eternaly Dead.

Yes. Sooner or later (it would seem) we have to "find out for ourselves" if we actually have the capacity and the desire for Godhood. Those who do, will do what is required.

6. After Realising That Maybe God Did Not Plan For Satan To Rebel In Heaven, Would You Realise That Maybe We Can Not Become Gods, Because Knowing That You Plan To Condemn Your Own Creations And Not Truley Show Eternal Love And Compassion Towards Your Creations Because You Know They Will Rebell In Heaven And Earth, Would You Really Want To Have The Power To Create.

It is not "wrong" to lose some of your children. What you seem to keep missing is that WE choose our own fate. We choose it by the choices we make. God would gladly have every single one of His children return home. The reality is that some just don't want that. Why they don't want it, I don't know. But they would be miserable anyway if they were forced into it -- so what's the difference?

7. Would You Want To Be, Self Glorifying The Fact That One Day Your Faith And Rightchiosness Will Make You A God One Day. On The Earth We Should Not Know Such Things Or Brag About Them Others Wise We Are Already Idolising Ourselves As Future Gods And That Is A Sin.

In the end it is a gift. Of what have we to "brag"? God powers us, keeps us together from moment to moment, lends us breath, and most importantly, allows us our agency even if we use it unrighteously.

8. Did One Of The Commandments State That We Shall Not Worship Any Other God, Is It Not An Equal Commandment To Braging That We Will Be A God, To Worship That Will Can Be A God.

We don't brag about it. The world wants to put words in our mouth, and suggest that we are bragging about it.

I don't walk around all day telling people, "Hey, guess what? I'm gonna be a GOD!! Isn't that way cool?"

We're not arrogant about it. God has revealed that such is our ultimately destiny...to become like Him. It may be a billion years after were dead before we reach full godhood. Who knows. But that is the promise...that one day we will have all that He has.

He commands us to worship Him, and only Him, because RIGHT NOW, during our mortal probation, THAT is where our focus is to be...ON HIM. He knows everything we need to know for us to attain to the Celestial Kingdom. He reveals that to us. Only He can reveal that to us. That is why He says to worship Him, which is another way of asking us to listen and obey Him (as any loving Father wants).

This is not an adversarial situation with God. He wants us to have all that He has. He is not threatened by our attaining to Godhood...at all!!!!!! He is willing and happy ... even joyful to SHARE all of it with us!!!!!

[Canuck Mormon]

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