Declaration Of Non-bashing

[Faerie]

Originally posted by Tr2@Jun 10 2004, 09:38 PM

why do you do that?

This man hacked into this discussion board, and got booted for it. He has insulted a friend of mine who was KIA in Iraq last year. He has taken the head off anybody who has dared think differently than him. He has accused me, peronally, of rape and assault just so he could get the upper hand in a discussion.

Do you associate that kind of behavior with Christianity?

**edited as per request**

but see Trident...by making a remark like that..you add fuel to the fire..I know I've been guilty of it in the past, so I'm not trying to be innocent...but if we're all trying to get along...why can't you just ignore Snow? I'm learning to ignore some of your posts and I'm much happier :)

[Maureen]

Originally posted by Unorthodox@Jun 10 2004, 09:57 PM

TR2 has accused the moderators of not doing their job properly....

Something like the officiating between the Calgary Flames and the Tampa Bay Lightning? It was a shame - they had no chance playing against a hockey team and the Refs!

M.

[Lindy]

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[Lindy]

I will also reserve the right to lose my temper sometimes, to debate those topics worth it to me, and to become a thorn in the side of anyone who deserves it! :)

[Faerie]

Originally posted by lindy9556@Jun 11 2004, 12:17 PM

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[Jenda]

Originally posted by lindy9556@Jun 11 2004, 11:21 AM

I will also reserve the right to lose my temper sometimes, to debate those topics worth it to me, and to become a thorn in the side of anyone who deserves it! :)

Sorry, I've already claimed the thorn-in-the-side position. You'll have to think of another. B)

(For reference, go back to the "Question" thread (gospel discussions), page 3.)

[Guest Unorthodox]

Foolishly optimistic...

[Tr2]

I'm learning to ignore some of your posts and I'm much happier 

How many times have I changed the subject in a discussion simply so I could take some kind of shot at you? When I start doing that, then you will understand. When I insult your job, your family, your integrity, and anything that you care about, then you will understand. But you are right, I should ignore him, even though it is difficult at times. Do you think his behavior is a good representation of your religion and what it teaches? I don't. I don't agree with the theology of your religion, wheras I don't think I could have a lower opinion of this man if I tried.

[Faerie]

Originally posted by Tr2@Jun 11 2004, 12:51 PM

I'm learning to ignore some of your posts and I'm much happier 

How many times have I changed the subject in a discussion simply so I could take some kind of shot at you? When I start doing that, then you will understand. When I insult your job, your family, your integrity, and anything that you care about, then you will understand. But you are right, I should ignore him, even though it is difficult at times. Do you think his behavior is a good representation of your religion and what it teaches? I don't. I don't agree with the theology of your religion, wheras I don't think I could have a lower opinion of this man if I tried.

trident i'm not even going to pretend that i know your personal history w/ snow...all i can go on is what i've seen on this board since february...

i personally haven't seen it...however i'm not going to get into the middle of that....

does he represent "my" religion well? no...i don't think anyone on this board REALLY represents the LDS religion the way it should be represented...myself included...I've never met a member like Snow, but the Internet usually provides a person w/ more personal freedom to express themself that reality does not allow...I don't speak my mind quite as freely as I do here...

But I do believe there is a function on this board..where you can ignore someone's posts...at least I know it's an Invision option...perhaps you should look into that :)

[Snow]

Originally posted by Tr2@Jun 11 2004, 11:51 AM

I don't agree with the theology of your religion, wheras I don't think I could have a lower opinion of this man if I tried.

Hey now,

That's just the defeatist in you talking. Come on now. I bet you could if you tried harder.

And for the record. I have never insulted your family. My guess is that you are incredibly charitable people. I also have respect for your job. There could never be enough good nurses in the world. I am sure that you deserve every bit of the 20% pay increase that you have been bragging about.

But on another topic, do you believe in the Yeti? It was a blow to many people when it was discoved that bigfoot was just a hoax. What about crop circles?

[Tr2]

I've never met a member like Snow, but the Internet usually provides a person w/ more personal freedom to express themself that reality does not allow

That is true. There are no consequences here, as there would be in a face to face discussion. The internet is very safe for people who like to insult others freely knowing full well that they will never have to face the person they insult. I know that snow would be much more humble and closed mouthed if him and I ever spoke in person.

[Snow]

Yeah, yeah, yeah,

We know. You repeatedly tell us from the distant safety or your keyboard that you would beat people up if they ever talked to you funny in person.

Me King Kong

Me beat up people me don't like.

Me strong

For the record, we are all impressed.

[Tr2]

snow why don't you go fall off something, preferably something high.

[Snow]

Originally posted by Jenda@Jun 11 2004, 09:03 AM

Snow, I think that your cute little quips are just that, cute little quips (and I really do laugh quite a lot at them), but I know that you do it knowing how much it irritates some of the other posters, and I know that is why you do it.

You know why I am not a huge supporter of the Fight AIDS movement?

Oh, I think the disease deserves as much attention and research and funding as any other disease but I don't think that is deserves any SPECIAL attention, any special glamour and effort that could be going to other more worthy causes... and the reason others causes are more worthy is because by and large, AIDS, in modern countries, is a choice. People choose to engage in the behavior that causes AIDS. Sure obesity leads to diabetes and heart disease so some choice is evident there too, but there is not the direct causal link as with AIDS.

The fake SEAL boy chooses to try and harm the gospel, chooses to malign the sacred. He chooses to be pilloried and so I pillory him. That he is so bothered by it and ill-equiped to rebutt it only makes my job easier.

[john doe]

I'm torn. Although I do agree that technically this is covered by the site TOS, I think Snow has some valid concerns. It does seem that the non-members usually feel free to take cheap- and pot-shots at the LDS here. We all know that the professed LDS believers are more likely to not respond in kind when attacked by the anti's, mainly because we have a religion which encourages us to try to get along with others and most of us try somewhat to live our religion. The anti's, it seems, have no moral compunction to obey the rules, they just say what they want without worrying that they might have offended others here. This automatically puts the LDS at a disadvantage if we are the only ones willing to obey the rules.

One thing that bothers me a little is that when someone has a post that someone else finds objectionable, the moderation process becomes secretive and decisions to delete or edit are usually made without any kind of discussion between the offender, the moderator and the complainant. In the actions that have involved me, the posts were deleted without my prior knowledge or input or any other asking for clarification of what was meant. This whole behind-the-scenes moderating thing should be opened up, in my opinion, and the participants should at least have a voice in defending their positions before actions are taken against them. A system similar to what ZLMB uses might be a way to open things up a bit if handled properly.

[Faerie]

Originally posted by Tr2@Jun 12 2004, 04:15 PM

I've never met a member like Snow, but the Internet usually provides a person w/ more personal freedom to express themself that reality does not allow

That is true. There are no consequences here, as there would be in a face to face discussion. The internet is very safe for people who like to insult others freely knowing full well that they will never have to face the person they insult. I know that snow would be much more humble and closed mouthed if him and I ever spoke in person.

true...but know this: i call people, friend or not, idiots in person all the time...ROFL...

[shanstress70]

Originally posted by john doe@Jun 12 2004, 04:46 PM

We all know that the professed LDS believers are more likely to not respond in kind when attacked by the anti's, mainly because we have a religion which encourages us to try to get along with others and most of us try somewhat to live our religion. The anti's, it seems, have no moral compunction to obey the rules, they just say what they want without worrying that they might have offended others here. This automatically puts the LDS at a disadvantage if we are the only ones willing to obey the rules.

Sorry, but I disagree with this. I have seen some LDS people (not just a couple) respond malisciously when their beliefs are questioned.

Non-LDS's posts are definitely judged more harshly. That is understandable (although I don't agree with it) since this is an LDS board.

And please don't imply that anti's have no morals. That may be true for some, but the same is true for some LDS as well.

I do not consider myself an anti, but I still take offense to some of your statements.

[john doe]

And please don't imply that anti's have no morals. That may be true for some, but the same is true for some LDS as well.

Please, try to reread my post just a little slower. I didn't state that anti's have no morals, just that they have no moral compunction to obey the rules.

I do not consider myself an anti, but I still take offense to some of your statements.

Well, if you're trying to be a friend, you're sure going about it the wrong way. Maybe you could lighten up on your incessant criticism of Mormonism once in a while.

[Snow]

Originally posted by shanstress70@Jun 12 2004, 07:41 PM

And please don't imply that anti's have no morals.

I won't imply it. I'll state it outright.

If one is truly an Anti-Mormon, they are fundamentally immoral. They are haters of truth, bigoted and degenerate. It is not a matter subject to question.

Whether or not a critic is Anti-Mormon is another question but once you have crossed the line into anti-ism, you're an immoral reprobate.

[Lindy]

Originally posted by Snow+Jun 12 2004, 09:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Jun 12 2004, 09:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--shanstress70@Jun 12 2004, 07:41 PM

And please don't imply that anti's have no morals.

I won't imply it. I'll state it outright.

If one is truly an Anti-Mormon, they are fundamentally immoral. They are haters of truth, bigoted and degenerate. It is not a matter subject to question.

Whether or not a critic is Anti-Mormon is another question but once you have crossed the line into anti-ism, you're an immoral reprobate.

WHOA Snow....rein those doggies in a little... I think you are totally out of line on that call. I am not as educated as some might be, but I still think that judging someone like that just on their belief is wrong. An anti-mormon view is just that...a view, an opinion, ( I will admit to some it became a religion...but I'll not go there)

It is my opinion that the anti's view of what they have left behind is based on the feelings that they have developed about something that has happened to them. A lot of reasons are given by anti's why they became, or how they evolved into what they are now. Most of what I have heard is anger and fear ... that others can't see what they found (or expand on something that bothered them) and the mormons will be damned to hell if they (the anti's) can't deter their (active mormons) path away from the church. Some just don't care about the religious aspect anymore....they just grew to hate or hold in total disrespect anything that associates with the church. Those feelings based on the present "truths" as they see. I don't think that it means that they have no morals. Morals as you see them are different than morals they see them as.

I am anti-satanist if you will, (as an example) that doesn't mean that I am immoral because I don't believe in the truths as the satanist see's it. I think that I would just totally disagree with every thing they believe in... and keep my morals, values and standards the way I see the truth. Because it's MY truth.

Do I make any sense?

[Tr2]

I won't imply it. I'll state it outright.

If one is truly an Anti-Mormon, they are fundamentally immoral. They are haters of truth, bigoted and degenerate. It is not a matter subject to question.

Whether or not a critic is Anti-Mormon is another question but once you have crossed the line into anti-ism, you're an immoral reprobate.

How do you justify saying that? Let's see what morals are:

-hacking onto an internet discussion board, that is run by members of your own church, when you are fired because of poor performance as a moderator

- calling other people rapists, molestors, abusers, and other criminal names, simply because you don't like them

- insulting whomever you wish simply because you want to

- looking down your nose on anyone who doesn't believe what you believe

- being verbally abusive to people who object to your religion

- insulting those who have died in war

- repeatedly accusing others of lying because they have a differing opinion

Are you exempt from being a moral person?

[Guest Starsky]

Well someone is obsessed with Snow.....lol...and it isn't even summer and 109 degrees.

[shanstress70]

Originally posted by Snow+Jun 12 2004, 11:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Jun 12 2004, 11:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--shanstress70@Jun 12 2004, 07:41 PM

And please don't imply that anti's have no morals.

I won't imply it. I'll state it outright.

If one is truly an Anti-Mormon, they are fundamentally immoral. They are haters of truth, bigoted and degenerate. It is not a matter subject to question.

Whether or not a critic is Anti-Mormon is another question but once you have crossed the line into anti-ism, you're an immoral reprobate.

I disagree with this, Snow. I agree that people shouldn't be anti even if they do not believe. But only Mormons think anti's are haters of truth, since they are the only ones who believe the church is true!

In other words, I may not like them because I think they are haters, but I don't think they are haters of truth.

I dont think they are haters or haters of truth, just I don't think you are.... We all are simply at times to emotional about our beliefs, but haters no.......

[Tr2]

Well someone is obsessed with Snow.....lol...and it isn't even summer and 109 degrees.

And yet the moderator who sees all of this behavior, turns a blind eye and does nothing. Be proud.

[Snow]

Originally posted by Tr2@Jun 13 2004, 12:58 PM

-hacking onto an internet discussion board, that is run by members of your own church, when you are fired because of poor performance as a moderator

Did I hack? I did not hack. First, it wasn't even this board. It was another board and I was never a moderator of that board. The Administrator of that board may not fully understand how I got access to Bat's password but it wasn't by hacking.

- calling other people rapists, molestors, abusers, and other criminal names, simply because you don't like them

I didn't call anyone a rapist. I said that YOU were a molestor's whose behavior was that of a rapists. You attacked people against their will and then blamed THEM for your attacks. You are a liar.

- being verbally abusive to people who object to your religion

Tecnically that's inaccurate. I object to hatefilled, bigots who attack my religion unfairly.

- insulting whomever you wish simply because you want to

That's true although it is a dumb point. I do everything I do because I want to. So do you, so does everybody. Dumb point.

- insulting those who have died in war

Who did I insult? Hitler? He deserved it. Beyond that I didn't insult anyone unless it was you pretending to go off to war, possibly never to return from Iraq, which you never did.

- repeatedly accusing others of lying because they have a differing opinion

I call you a liar, not because of different opinions but because you lie. Like now. Like when you say Mormons don't believe the Bible. If you don't like being a liar, then stop lying.