Create New Worlds?

[Cal]

By the way, why would anyone in their right mind want to create a "world" that could go thru what this one has? What are YOUR motivations? I'm sure there are some worthy ones. What are they?

According to mormon doctrine, this is supposed to be the goal of "good" LDSers. And I recognize that some of you are going to say that your DON'T have to have this goal, and you can still be in the celestial. If you don't make worlds, what are you supposed to do?

[Guest enlightenme]

Well, I think that I will cross that road when I come to it. IF that is what we are all going to be doing that is fine with me, when I get to that point I will have the knowledge and wisdom to know what to do, and the why of what I would be doing. Right now I am responsible for this life, and my son, and my wife, and that is what I need to worry about. Don't know why we would need to worry about it now.

Lets just work on what we need to work on right now .... and worry about what we may have to do later, for later....

[broadway]

Originally posted by Cal@Jun 12 2004, 02:06 PM

By the way, why would anyone in their right mind want to create a "world" that could go thru what this one has? What are YOUR motivations? I'm sure there are some worthy ones. What are they?

According to mormon doctrine, this is supposed to be the goal of "good" LDSers. And I recognize that some of you are going to say that your DON'T have to have this goal, and you can still be in the celestial. If you don't make worlds, what are you supposed to do?

check out my post to you answering this same question on the thread about killing one's own children as a favor to them.

[Traveler]

Originally posted by Cal@Jun 12 2004, 01:06 PM

By the way, why would anyone in their right mind want to create a "world" that could go thru what this one has? What are YOUR motivations? I'm sure there are some worthy ones. What are they?

According to mormon doctrine, this is supposed to be the goal of "good" LDSers. And I recognize that some of you are going to say that your DON'T have to have this goal, and you can still be in the celestial. If you don't make worlds, what are you supposed to do?

The goal of creation is motivated by love, compassion and service. There would be no purpose in a world if it was not an act of incredible service by its creator. Creating a world for fun or making yourself look or fell powerful is not at all what defines the true G-d that created our universe and that we should be striving to become like.

The Traveler

[Guest curvette]

Originally posted by Cal@Jun 12 2004, 01:06 PM

By the way, why would anyone in their right mind want to create a "world" that could go thru what this one has? What are YOUR motivations? I'm sure there are some worthy ones. What are they?

According to mormon doctrine, this is supposed to be the goal of "good" LDSers. And I recognize that some of you are going to say that your DON'T have to have this goal, and you can still be in the celestial. If you don't make worlds, what are you supposed to do?

I like this question. I have no desire to make worlds. I could possibly envision myself decorating one... I also have no desire to give birth to millions of spirit children, knowing that a full third of them would be cast out of my presence for eternity, and vast numbers of the remaining ones would never find their way back to me. No wonder God is a male. A mother could never design a plan that would make her part with her beloved children in this way.

But...back to the creation question. You're a scientist Cal. What drives human beings to create? Instinct drives us to propogate our species. After we mastered that, we created tools which gave us an advantage over other species. Next we created (or discovered) fire. Another advantage. After we could tend to our basic needs and became the superior species, we started creating art. I don't think we've really advanced much as a species since then. Our brains are basically the same. Maybe after we die, we will have a great instict to create worlds to fill the void of space. I don't have a problem with that. I look at it as an enviromental issue. Someone should recycle all that stuff floating around out there.

[Guest Starsky]

Originally posted by curvette@Jun 13 2004, 02:17 PM

I don't have a problem with that. I look at it as an enviromental issue. Someone should recycle all that stuff floating around out there.

LOL Curvette...this was great!

[Nicodemus]

Originally posted by curvette+Jun 13 2004, 03:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (curvette @ Jun 13 2004, 03:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Cal@Jun 12 2004, 01:06 PM

By the way, why would anyone in their right mind want to create a "world" that could go thru what this one has?  What are YOUR motivations? I'm sure there are some worthy ones. What are they?

According to mormon doctrine, this is supposed to be the goal of "good" LDSers. And I recognize that some of you are going to say that your DON'T have to have this goal, and you can still be in the celestial. If you don't make worlds, what are you supposed to do?

I like this question. I have no desire to make worlds. I could possibly envision myself decorating one... I also have no desire to give birth to millions of spirit children, knowing that a full third of them would be cast out of my presence for eternity, and vast numbers of the remaining ones would never find their way back to me. No wonder God is a male. A mother could never design a plan that would make her part with her beloved children in this way.

But...back to the creation question. You're a scientist Cal. What drives human beings to create? Instinct drives us to propogate our species. After we mastered that, we created tools which gave us an advantage over other species. Next we created (or discovered) fire. Another advantage. After we could tend to our basic needs and became the superior species, we started creating art. I don't think we've really advanced much as a species since then. Our brains are basically the same. Maybe after we die, we will have a great instict to create worlds to fill the void of space. I don't have a problem with that. I look at it as an enviromental issue. Someone should recycle all that stuff floating around out there.

I've pondered this as well.

What do you guys teach about the end times? Like will there be an end to this physical world? If so, then there should be no problem in re-distributing this matter and recylcing it after it has come to an end. If there is no end to this physical world, then there WILL be problems with the limited amount of matter available. I mean, there is an estimated what- 1 x 10^43 electrons in our known universe? That's a lot, but not too much.

Recycling makes a lot of sense if each physical world has an end and each is subsequently placed in a spiritual setting.

[Guest Starsky]

Everything will be put into a glorified state. The earth is supposed to receive it's paridicical glory....

The END really isn't until the millenium is over...which is at least 1000 years away.

[Guest TheProudDuck]

By Curvette --

I have no desire to make worlds. I could possibly envision myself decorating one

We know the three degrees of glory are the celestial, terrestrial, and telestial. No one has ever given a name to the three separate levels of the Celestial Kingdom. Maybe the second highest level is named for Martha Stewart.

And the highest level would be named for Louis Sullivan. Or I.M. Pei, or Frederick Law Olmstead.

[Cal]

Lots of good thoughts!

[Guest Yediyd]

By the way, why would anyone in their right mind want to create a "world" that could go thru what this one has? What are YOUR motivations? I'm sure there are some worthy ones. What are they?

According to mormon doctrine, this is supposed to be the goal of "good" LDSers. And I recognize that some of you are going to say that your DON'T have to have this goal, and you can still be in the celestial. If you don't make worlds, what are you supposed to do?

I think that down deep...we all have this desire...I know I do when I LOVE fish aquariums and terariums and such because it is my own little eco system that I am in charge of. Also...after being with a man for 7 years who was addicted to video games and seeing the games that attracted him...it was always a game that had some sort of world that he was in charge of...and now my kids are into zoo tycoon, and sims and rollercoaster tycoon and sea scape.... all games with a theme...worlds to be in charge of....Humans love their pets, Why? because we are their gods, thats why...seems not much of a stretch to me that in the Celetial Kingdom...we will WANT to create worlds...seems ingrained in us, as I see it.

[a-train]

Why did God in His right mind create this one?

-a-train

[Gabelma]

By the way, why would anyone in their right mind want to create a "world" that could go thru what this one has? What are YOUR motivations? I'm sure there are some worthy ones. What are they?

According to mormon doctrine, this is supposed to be the goal of "good" LDSers. And I recognize that some of you are going to say that your DON'T have to have this goal, and you can still be in the celestial. If you don't make worlds, what are you supposed to do?

LOL whilst tbh the idea behind the Celestial Kingdom to me seems a little like eternal hardwork and heartache personally like the idea of sitting on a cloud and in my own very tone deaf way scaring the birds by playing on a lyre.

However deep down I want to design my own world - I love archtecture and I am in the process of designing my own home and how I want to live my life on this world. And the idea of picking the colour of the grass and maybe what I would do to make the trees look better appeals

Plus I don't think the Earth is bad - I love the creations and find it majestic, intriguing and beautiful. The idea that even out of the greatest devestation comes the greatest good - like a forest fire - the forest nearly always grows back, or like drawing the WW1&2 some of the greatest inspirational stories appeared. What people do in this world can be terrible but nothing takes away from the beauty of it.

I had an ex boyfriend that was a Druid and I learned a lot from him that makes me appreciate what we have got, and love the Lord for giving it to us. However bad something gets I can walk out of my door and look at something he has created or that he has given man the capacity to create. In someways I find a big industrial zone as beautiful and majestic as the sea or the mountains. Nature is beautiful and man has great potential

Charley

[Dr T]

Why did God in His right mind create this one?

Great question. I'm wondering if this is the best possible world God could create. I think it must be and I'm trying to figure out why that might be true. That's going to take a while...

[CrimsonKairos]

God created this a perfect world.

Adam made some modifications to it that are, well, anything but perfect. B)

[a-train]

Moses 1:39 gives the answer. The LORD, while speaking to Moses about the creation of this earth said:

'For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.'

All the mess we are going through, all that the LORD went through, the whole point of this great epoch of the family of Adam and Eve is to the end of immortality and eternal life of man. This is the work and glory of God.

Now this is why the LORD will continue to create worlds without number throughout eternity. This is what He does. I think we often imagine creation to be a great singular event of a tremendous spectacle which only lasted a short time. On the contrary, God will never stop creation, He does and will continue to create throughout eternity.

God also said to Moses: 'And, behold, thou art my son; wherefore look, and I will show thee the workmanship of mine hands; but not all, for my works are without end, and also my words, for they never cease.' (Moses 1:4)

And also: 'But only an account of this earth, and the inhabitants thereof, give I unto you. For behold, there are many worlds that have passed away by the word of my power. And there are many that now stand, and innumerable are they unto man; but all things are numbered unto me, for they are mine and I know them.' (Moses 1:35)

Now there are some that would say that the LDS view that the righteous saints who inherit the kingdom prepared for them from the foundation of the world will have anything to do with those worlds without number is heritical and blasphemous. But, we don't have to worry about that... ...at least at the moment. What we need to worry about is the FACT that we have a BIG involvement with this earth and we will stand accountable for our dominion over it.

Furthermore, as Jesus taught, when our account is weighed and our stewardship over this planet and the things we have been given to watch over here is rewarded according to our adherance to the commands of the Master, to those that have done righteously will He say: 'Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy Lord.'

GOD BLESS

-a-train

[LukeAir2006]

[CrimsonKairos]

Adam ate a bad piece of fruit.

Gave the whole world indigestion. B)

Note: The above was in reply to a question Luke asked me, but which he has since deleted.

[LukeAir2006]

[Traveler]

The fall of man was the plan of G-d from the beginning. Without the fall there is no need for the Son of G-d, the Messiah (Christ) or savior. I am a little shocked that some have such low opinion of the intelligence of G-d.

The Traveler.

[Guest Yediyd]

Adam ate a bad piece of fruit.

Gave the whole world indigestion. B)

Note: The above was in reply to a question Luke asked me, but which he has since deleted.

CK, I loved that one! wrote it in my book of "pearls" :)

[valkator]

We are, in a limited way, creating worlds right now - and, for better or worse - in our own image. Looking at this more closely, from our families, to our communities, to the wider country, and encompassing the entire planet - we, as human beings in the terrestrial setting, are molding, shaping, and creating many worlds. Of course, given our fallen nature and separation from our true nature and our 'parents', the type of worlds that we have beenfashioning have been pretty disasterous looking. If and when we ascend (exaltation) to the higher, celestial kingdom with all that implies and suggets in terms of how we will exist through the bodily forms appropriate for that 'station' and how we create within that context, then creating and/or seeding worlds on the scale of planets and beyond may not seem so 'outlandish' a thought. Of course, 'getting there' in terms of 'progression', is - I would think - predicated on what we're doing right now and what we're learning on this 'level' of existence. We have lots of work to do on ourselves... :)

[vinny15]

"This is my work and my glory to bring to past the immortality and eternal life of man"

God said that. That is our eventual glory as well. We are to bring spirits and intelligences the possiblity to have eternal happiness and glory.

[Dr T]

I don't thing Earth is the glory. Shadows-but not the real thing.

[rosie321]

Originally posted by Cal@Jun 12 2004, 01:06 PM

By the way, why would anyone in their right mind want to create a "world" that could go thru what this one has? What are YOUR motivations? I'm sure there are some worthy ones. What are they?

According to mormon doctrine, this is supposed to be the goal of "good" LDSers. And I recognize that some of you are going to say that your DON'T have to have this goal, and you can still be in the celestial. If you don't make worlds, what are you supposed to do?

I like this question. I have no desire to make worlds. I could possibly envision myself decorating one... I also have no desire to give birth to millions of spirit children, knowing that a full third of them would be cast out of my presence for eternity, and vast numbers of the remaining ones would never find their way back to me. No wonder God is a male. A mother could never design a plan that would make her part with her beloved children in this way. Very good point!:) Maybe this is why we don't hear much of anything about her/them. A mom will try to help and protect even the most helpless child

Its frightening enough now with a family. The odds are not everyone will choose to return. Not remembering choosing this world and seeing the evil around make you wonder what God is thinking

But...back to the creation question. You're a scientist Cal. What drives human beings to create? Instinct drives us to propogate our species. After we mastered that, we created tools which gave us an advantage over other species. Next we created (or discovered) fire. Another advantage. After we could tend to our basic needs and became the superior species, we started creating art. I don't think we've really advanced much as a species since then. Our brains are basically the same. Maybe after we die, we will have a great instict to create worlds to fill the void of space. I don't have a problem with that. I look at it as an enviromental issue. Someone should recycle all that stuff floating around out there.

Propogation makes sense on this earth in a temporal sense since people would die off. But to keep creating eternal beings? Where do you put them and all the new worlds after awhile?

Sometimes thinking of the eternities to indepth is a frightening thing to this temporal mind of mind. What ARE we really hoping for? Will it really be better? Then I go back to faith. If its all a dream then at least I had some delusional comfort .