The Godhead

[Snow]

From the Joseph Smith Thread

The way you worded your response implied that the Holy Ghost was God the Father.

The Holy Ghost is not God the Father.

Instead of saying "The Holy Ghost is God" you should have typed "The Holy Ghost is a God" OR "The Holy Ghost is one of the Godhead"

Also on a side note the way you typed it sounds like you believe in the trinity. LDS teachings say the trinity theory is false.

My post implied no such thing (that the Holy Ghost was The Father), nor does my post sound anything like the teaching of the Trinity. The is not a single thing in any post of mine that implies that the Holy Ghost is God.

The Trinity is the Christian doctrine that God (Father, Son and Holy Ghost) are one ontological God existing simultaneously in three personages, all three of which are coequal, consubstantial, and indivisible,; and that the Son has two distinct natures, one fully human and one fully divine - united in hypostatic union.

Obviously my post had nothing to do with the Trinity.

The fact of the matter is that in LDS theolgy The Holy Ghost is God, just as the Son is God and the Father is God - and together all three, though ontologically seperate, form ONE God.

That God is One: (Book of Mormon: Alma 11:27-39, 44; 2 Nephi 31:21; Mormon 7:7; 3 Nephi 11:27 Testimony of the three witnesses)

That the Holy Ghost is God: (God the Holy Ghost: The Holy Ghost is also a God and is called the Holy Spirit, the Spirit, and the Spirit of God, among other similar names and titles. With the aid of the Holy Ghost, man can know the will of God the Father and know that Jesus is the Christ (1 Cor. 12: 3). Guide to the Scriptures: God, Godhead

[prisonchaplain]

SIGH...if we could all just get our ontology straight . . . :-)

[inthearmsofsleep]

hahaha.... sometimes I wish we could more effectively express what we're really thinking but we're limited by the words we have. (By the way, this thread is a double-post... someone should delete the other one.) I used to (and sometimes still do) get confused when I read the scriptures and have to differentiate between God the Father and God the Son, though things are a lot clearer now than they used to be. Thank goodness for footnotes.

[Moksha]

SIGH...if we could all just get our ontology straight . . . :-)

I think many are leaning a bit too far to the right to get things straight.

[prisonchaplain]

I think many are leaning a bit too far to the right to get things straight.

And what would the left-wing theological view on the nature of the Godhead, with respect to God's ontological relationship between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit be???

[kona0197]

Here are you EXACT words:

Holy Ghost is God

So it sounds to me that you are implying that the Holy Ghost is God.

By the way I find it ironic that you opened a whole new thread to debate this issue. Very inmature.

[Moksha]

And what would the left-wing theological view on the nature of the Godhead, with respect to God's ontological relationship between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit be???

"The bird is on the wing", the poet says, and as you and I have said here times before, "drink to the bird"!

(with apologies to Edwin Arlington Robinson)

[Snow]

Here are you EXACT words:

So it sounds to me that you are implying that the Holy Ghost is God.

I am not implying it. I am stating it outright, just as LDS.org stated it outright.

By the way I find it ironic that you opened a whole new thread to debate this issue. Very inmature.

Ironic? In what sense is it ironic?

Why are you calling immature because I want to talk about God? That's odd.

[kona0197]

I am not implying it. I am stating it outright, just as LDS.org stated it outright.

Prove it. Show me.

Why are you calling immature because I want to talk about God? That's odd.

I called you immature because you started a thread to argue with me. You should have dropped the subject.

[Snow]

Prove it. Show me.

I've quoted it twice and posted the link.

I called you immature because you started a thread to argue with me. You should have dropped the subject.

Feel free to leave the thread. You seem to have nothing to add.

[kona0197]

From the LDS website:

The Holy Ghost is also a God. Notice they said A God.

The site also says:

It is generally the Father, or Elohim, who is referred to by the title God.

So when you type "Holy Ghost is God" it looks like you are saying "Holy Ghost is God the Father."

Feel free to leave the thread. You seem to have nothing to add.

You mean other than proving you wrong?

[Snow]

From the LDS website:

The Holy Ghost is also a God. Notice they said A God.

The site also says:

It is generally the Father, or Elohim, who is referred to by the title God.

So when you type "Holy Ghost is God" it looks like you are saying "Holy Ghost is God the Father."

You mean other than proving you wrong?

If I meant the Holy Ghost is God the Father, a heretical idea, then I would have said 'Holy Ghost, God the Father."

Here is exactly, again, what LDS.org says:

"God the Holy Ghost: The Holy Ghost is also a God and is called the Holy Spirit, the Spirit, and the Spirit of God, among other similar names and titles." (bold added)

[kona0197]

Yeah it says A god.

It does not say the Holy Ghost is God the father.

(Please do NOT edit my posts Snow. I thank you.)

[WillowTheWhisp]

I see where you're coming from Kona - the original post of Snow's which you queried did not include the little word 'a' which could lead to confusion because saying 'The Holy Ghost is God' doesn't mean quite the same as saying 'The Holy Ghost is a God' or 'The Holy Ghost is a member of the Godhead' - but reading through both of your posts it's clear that you and Snow do both have the same view that the Holy Ghost and God the Father are separate beings.

It's human languages which cause us the problems, when one writes what they think expresses their idea and another reads and interprets it as a different idea. I had a quotation about that once but I can't quite remember it now. It was something along the lines of "What you think I said is not necessarily what I thought I meant."

[kona0197]

I see where you're coming from Kona - the original post of Snow's which you queried did not include the little word 'a' which could lead to confusion because saying 'The Holy Ghost is God' doesn't mean quite the same as saying 'The Holy Ghost is a God' or 'The Holy Ghost is a member of the Godhead' - but reading through both of your posts it's clear that you and Snow do both have the same view that the Holy Ghost and God the Father are separate beings.

Exactly.