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One of the covenants we make at baptism is to bear each others burdens. RandomEquine is right. I can't say how much I respect the struggle that you are going through. You aren't alone. We're here to lift each other up, to help one another and to never let them be alone. Never be afraid to ask for help.

On being judgmental: It is time to say, "Enough with the politically correct." and say what we believe once and for all: I believe in prophets. I believe that the LDS church is the most correct church on earth as it is guided by God through His prophets. I believe that anywhere that you differ from His prophets results in you being wrong, Kristoffer. Where you believe the church is incoorrect, I believe you are incorrect. So do most members of the church, though they are polite enough not to phrase it that way. We believe in the church. You say you fall away only on some of those teachings. Fine. That would be where we believe you are wrong. And it's also where you believe we are wrong. I accept this, but I will not let word attacks stand that try to water down our beliefs. You say "Judgmental" and I say "Direct".

I'm in solidarity with you here, sister. Whenever I whip out my boob in the chapel, they always tell me to leave.

I agree with Gama. It's ultimately between you and your bishop and, if your bishop is inspired to allow you to go early, more power to you! But I'd recommend waiting.

I wouldn't recommend it, but it will obviously come down to your Bishop. There are temple prep classes, fasting to be done and I would definitely go with another member the first time you go to the temple. Being prepared spiritually is vital to having a good first experience in the Temple.

Because people who walk up and tell you that you're wrong in your religion and are going to Hell usually have about half a dozen verses that says that. When you take out the scriptural railsplit they base those verses on, they generally will use the second, third, fourth, fifth and so on verses they have prepared. Once you've broken those down, they usually get frustrated and walk off.

Welcome, Mumo! You've come to the right place. We're all at different parts in our eternal life and we all have something to offer. We'll always be here and hope we can offer some help.

Yep. Ben Raines is right. If you're honestly looking at this with a questioning tone, wondering the truth, there are definitely answers. The reason why people aren't paying much attention is that these sorts of attacks are very common on here and this is certainly not the first time these direct accusations were made. Can I ask if you're a member or not? There are answers either way, but the answer depends on where you're coming from.

I know how you feel, but I wouldn't be too concerned about it. I'm guessing you dated this person, who ended up being crazy. Everyone has a crazy ex.

There could have been a couple of reasons he didn't: 1) He might have thought you weren't interested. If that's the case, no harm and no foul. If you're the type of person who thinks you're very plain with your interest, but in fact are not at all, he might have thought "Oh, well. Not a big deal. She's not interested." In a relationship, multiple people have to show they're interested. If he feels he's eternally pursuing you, he ain't gonna. 2) He might not have been interested in you. Could be that he thought he might be interested, then lost interest. In that case, he might have thought "Well, we haven't had a date. We've only talked on the Internet. It'd be pretty presumptuous of me to say to her "I have no interest in you." 3) He might have gone on vacation: Seriously. If you don't know someone that well, you might not say "I'm leaving home for a week! Later." You might, but if you don't know them that well it might not occur to you that it would matter if they knew. 4) He might be sick. 5) He might be dead. 6) He might have converted to Hinduism and is undertaking a pilgrimage to India where he will study under the great teachers. Honestly, if you're interested in him, get in contact with him. This is a giant relationship game at the moment where you're trying to figure out what he thinks. Just ask him. The number of women who say "I just don't want any more games." and then play just this sort of "Guess what he's thinking" instead of asking - It's actually quite a lot.

Ben? Everyone? I want you to look at the last line of her original post: "Yes, I have talked to the bishop etc. They don't get it, tell me I still have a chance, etc. They just won't deal with it. " She has talked with church leaders and it hasn't made a difference. That isn't the sign of someone who needs reason. That is the sign of clinical depression. She's talking about killing herself so her kids can have a mother who will be with them in the Celestial Kingdom. You need to let her know she needs help. This is classical clinical depression, where everything is exacerbated. She needs help. Let her know that because people who are clinically depressed have to desperately fight the, "Why should I bother getting medication? There's no hope. Will medication fix (insert problem here)?" This is classical depression language. It's not just a cry for help(Although it is that) this is a serious imbalance. Help her. Tell her to get help.

You are awesome, EP! Never change, because change is for the weak. Happy Birthday!

This is not something your Bishop can deal with. Don't get me wrong - He's right. What happened before may have been terrible, but it's not something that eternally condemns you. No, what your Bishop doesn't have the training to deal with is what clearly appears to be a deep depression. What you need is a professional. What you're experiencing is normal and it will pass, though I know that it doesn't seem like this. The way you're speaking right now is exactly the same as one of my parents did, who suffered from manic-depression. I can spot the symptoms of a serious, real depression a mile away. You're reaching out for help right now. Take it. Go see someone about medication. If you do, you will be out of this in perhaps a month. There will be ups and downs during that time and times when it will seem like the medication is ridiculous. You will justify your depression, you will try to convince yourself that this isn't depression. Don't listen to that voice. Get help. Your kids and you both deserve that.

I think you mean physiological. Philology is literary study. So if the brain imbalance were caused by... Say... Classical Greek Literature, then yes. It could be a philological problem. philology: Definition from Answers.com

Ben's right. This sounds like a classic spoiled, angry kid. Get the Bishop involved, get the Stake President involved. No passiveness can work in this. You need to protect your daughter.

No, no. It was very clear, Lby. Just as a caveat to readers who are not LDS, we are about to get in to 'Pseudo-doctrine': That is doctrine people have implied based upon everything from LDS hymns to the King Follett discourse. To preface this, I would suggest that you take everything stated here with a grain of salt. Specifically, there will be a lot of opinions in this thread that are not doctrine. Some might seem silly, thought-provoking, spurious or outright heretical. To repeat, what will be spoken of in this thread is not doctrine no matter what some may say.

I really have nothing to add. I agree with you on everything, Rame. Just want to show my support.

You're absolutely right, Austro. The government is in cahoots with big business: The bailouts, the 'donations' from corporate sponsors. It's just one big love-fest in North America between two groups that should(In theory) be at odds: Corporations attempting to make money, Government interceding and stopping their excesses. Your argument about the pre-mortal council is one I have struggled with myself. My concern, however, is that the plan of salvation was enacted by perfect beings and our world is run by far less than perfect beings. I am personally enraged when I see governments spending $300+ on a hammer in activities that are clearly kickback designed. On the other hand, when I see Doctors in private practices getting kickbacks for prescribing medicine that is not optimal for their patients, I am just as enraged. What's the answer? I just don't see an unregulated economy being the answer. Frankly, I think there's only one government that will work the way it's supposed to and that ain't happening until the Saviour comes back.

Luke 2:40 suggests Jesus waxed in wisdom on this earth, which suggests a gaining of knowledge.

Austro - The problem, and the fear, is that in the whole history of man there has never been a true Free Market. The reason it doesn't exist is that there will always be a big dog. It's in Humanity's nature that, in the absence of a ruling structure we search for our own. Many laws were passed specifically because of abuse that occurred when something was not specifically outlawed. People are afraid, Austro. People are afraid because humanity isn't perfect and people are afraid that a truly hands-off market will result in the powerful Corporate interests outshining powerful Government interests. Since people feel that they have an elected say in Government interests, many are afraid that a true Free Market would just be a Tyranny by another name.

I really can't do that, Erik. If you aren't the same person, someone out there is using your profile pic to argue against Mormonism. In fact, I confirmed on Facebook before I made this posting that I wasn't making a mistake. It wasn't similar. It was, in fact, the exact same pic. That person used spurious logic, ignored everything that disagreed with him and then made ad hominem attacks when people pointed that out. At that point, when I informed the person using your profile pic that I would not pay any attention to any arguments he used, this person sent me an email - Which had this profile pic attached to it - And had a page and a half of something, but I'm not sure what it said because i had relegated him to someone I could safely ignore. Most people here know that I have a tremendous amount of patience with other viewpoints. In fact, some of those I respect most (Like PrisonChaplain) are non-LDS members. However, if what you're saying is true, you might want to surf Facebook and find the person using your exact profile pic and get them to stop.

Can you quote source that this is their thinking? Some quote from a popular radical Cleric or some sort? I'm not saying it's wrong, but without source I find a sweeping generalized statement like this suspect.

Apple? Don't get in to a debate with Erik. He's been on Facebook in various LDS groups(Including Ask a Mormon), as well as several other sites that I've frequented. His purpose is always to proselyte and he gets genuinely angry if he feels the argument isn't going his way. Many months ago, I promised I wouldn't read anything he put and I still don't read any of his arguments. I would recommend not entering in to a debate with him.

Welcome, Sakura. You're awesome. :) Everybody has questions at some point and that's not a bad thing. I hope you find what you're looking for.

That was a great conversion story, Becca. You've got a great journey ahead of you with so much new to discover and learn. You'll do amazingly!