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As I read your post the following scripture came to mind: 2 Nephi 28:7-9 7 Yea, and there shall be many which shall say: Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die; and it shall be well with us. 8 And there shall also be many which shall say: Eat, drink, and be merry; nevertheless, fear God—he will justify in committing a little sin; yea, lie a little, take the advantage of one because of his words, dig a pit for thy neighbor; there is no harm in this; and do all these things, for tomorrow we die; and if it so be that we are guilty, God will beat us with a few stripes, and at last we shall be saved in the kingdom of God. 9 Yea, and there shall be many which shall teach after this manner, false and vain and foolish doctrines, and shall be puffed up in their hearts, and shall seek deep to hide their counsels from the Lord; and their works shall be in the dark.

The next step is "YOU can't raise your children" It doesn't take a village to raise a child. A village can be helpful IF and only IF they have the same values as the parents. But when societies values stop reflecting the parents values then... well, I wish the "village" has less say in what my children learned.

I don't doubt it for a minute. People (women in this case) who publically criticize the leaders of the church or any other organization for that matter, usually do so because they are upset and want others to be upset too.

Its not that historical things aren't important. Women praying in Conference isn't the big issue for most members of the church as it is for a few who are already upset about other things, or for those who want to get people upset at the church. There is an agenda. If the fact this is the first time women have prayed in Conference hadn't been brought up before, I wouldn't have noticed. As it was I almost forgot and had to remind myself that it was suppose to be a Big Historical Moment. Eh, not so much for me.

That's sad, but not surprising that someone who stood for what is right is not missed by those who don't agree with her.

So this thread is really about the differences between men and women?

We were just told in Conference this weekend that we are ALL born with the Light of Christ. :)

Skill sets change but what about knowledge? Ken Jennings makes some valid points.

I agree Windseeker. I am determined that my grandson learn to write legibly at the very least. And to be able to write and converse with correct grammar. I think we're already losing knowledge.

Not entirely. I was trying to find all the scriptures I'm thinking about and came across the following: The point Traveler's son was making is valid. But I see it having nothing to do with SSA as much as it applies to all. I would like to see this discussion focus on the topic of the natural man. We have so very many discussions about SSA, it would be refreshing to discuss this topic without the emotions that get in the way when we throw SSA in the mix. ADDITIONALLY: We often get so hung up on talking about the sexuality issues of the natural man that we forget the other aspects of the natural man we need to overcome.

The world has lost a great person. Women have lost an good example.

As I watched the following video I thought of D&C 130:19 "And if a person gains more knowledge and intelligence in this life through his diligence and obedience than another, he will have so much the advantage in the world to come." Ken Jennings: Watson, Jeopardy and me, the obsolete know-it-all | Video on TED.com What kind of future do you want to live in? What kind of future do you think we're going to live in?

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I'm sorry Leah. That's not how its suppose to work.

I survive from blessing to blessing. My husband usually gives me a blessing once a month. Father's blessings are rarer at my age... but I did get a very special one just a few weeks ago.

Of course he doesn't. I've yet to learn why you're so adamant that people should avoid their Bishop. You don't answer my questions. Have a great day. :)

LOL I researched this quote after my sister threw it in my face. :) Brigham Young did say this in a speech but from what I have been able to find he didn't coin the phrase. Confuscious did. :) If anyone has a better reference for this quote, I'd be interested. ty

Most of the talks. I've heard GC when the prophet"goes off script." :)

Yup... that's what he will most likely say. So what is so wrong with hearing it from the Bishop? Are you advising her to not go to her Bishop? Just because you don't see a need? My husband has been in the Bishopric. I KNOW first hand how busy the Bishop is. I also know that good Bishops want to know, even if all they can do is pray about it. But.... let's assume for a second that her husband has a calling with the youth (just an example - use any calling with more responsibility than making copies in the library). I don't know a Bishop (current or past) who wouldn't want to know what is going on in the OPs family, as she described it here.

Let's assume that the prophet gets up in GC and says "Heavenly Father says women shouldn't hold the priesthood." Do you really thing this group of women are going to stop campaigning against the church? I don't think they will. I think if anything is said at GC it will just fan the flames.

wow... So your advice is to NOT go to her and her husband's spiritual leader? The OP described some serious sins that can only be resolved with the Bishop. Also.... We don't know where the OP is. Not every state or country has access to an LDS Counselor without going through their Bishop.

A Bishop can offer a referral to LDS Social Services for counseling. He can also offer spiritual support.

So you see the contradiction here? See bolded compared to what you've said about your husband. How can anyone (male or female) embrace sin and be a good spouse or parent? You need to trust your instincts. And its probably past time to talk with your Bishop. I wish you all the best in finding help.

Your wife is a smart woman. We women have enough to do without adding more.

Then bring them all. She might not know because she doesn't know how many names anyone else will be taking. Its highly likely that all your names will get done that night (unless every youth in your ward has just as many names). You'll have a great experience. :)