Madriglace

Sorry to disagree but when I say I know the church is true that is exactly what I mean. Everyone of us is at a differnt stage of our progression ... on a different line and a different precept. What I know you may not have gotten to and what you know I may still be working on. When children say they know something in the gospel is true I think we have to take them at their word because we cannot know that they don't know it anymore than we know an adult is just using faith. That is between them and their Savior and not for us to judge. it is for us to listen for the Spirit to comfirm the belief in our own lives. For me that's usually a warm tingley feeling from head to toe and I love getting it!

All of these sweet spirit s come from the same place ... no doubt there. But do they recognize what they see or hear or feel for what it is? Who knows.

Pantyhose are a plague on woman kind!

I love that Ah Ha principle ... happens to me alot. When I started teaching the kids in Sunday School and started studying the BofM instead of just reading I had one of those moments every week. But then thinking back to when I first went to the temple, my mother who was my escort told me that I would have questions and that she would answer them before we left the temple ... I had no questions, for me it was like .... "I know this." This gospel is so wonderful and just makes sense.

A man on his way home one night cuts through a cemetary to save time. As he is walking he falls into a freshly dug grave. Hours later a drunk on his way home wanders through the same cemetary and hears a voice crying "I'm cold, I'm cold" ... the drunk walks over to the open grave, looks in and says "Well no wonder, you kicked all the dirt off!"

A little girl comes home from school in tears, her mother asks her what the problem is. The little girl tells her mom that her teacher called her a scurvy elephant. The mother immediately goes to the school to have a word with the teacher. When asked why the teacher called the little girl such awful names she replied that she didn't say the girl was a scurvy elephant but that she was a disturbing element.

The focus on the scriptures is great .... it will give viewers a chance to think outside the box so to speak.

Just a question to consider ... why would a loving Father encourage us to learn all we can and then take it away? We go home with all we have learned here ... it only makes sense that we will regain all we learned before. I look forward to having all I have learned all together and then learning more. D&C 93: 36 36 The glory of God is intelligence, or, in other words, light and truth.

My comment about being in rebellion was in reference to what the OP said about the young woman having her name removed rather than going through the process. In which case if she does this rather than repent it is rebellion even if she leaves the church it is still rebellion not to repent no matter who you are or what you believe as a Christian. What ever prompted the question of what is worse (the sin) it still has to be addressed at some point in her life.

When we refuse to repent we are in rebellion against the Lord ... no matter who we are or what we believe. This is not an ex-Mormon statement at all. This is an everybody statement. Brings to mind the verse in "I Stand All Amazed" ... to rescue a soul so rebellious and proud as mine ... I resemble that remark and I know it! I work really hard not to but I still have a long way to go and way to much to do on myself to ever make jabs at anyone else. Kind of an ... it is what it is ... statement.

I HATE laundry ... I buy nothing that has to be ironed ... ironing is worse than laundry. I have always figured we should be able to buy clothes on rolls like paper towels and just throw them away.

The thing is ... these children are still very very close to the Savior and the veil is very very thin. At this point in their lives they may and probably do know absolutely that what they are saying is the truth ... they may need help verbalizing it but they know. It's not until later in life that they (and we) start doubting and second guessing and questioning. The testimony of a child is so sweet and so pure because of where they have come from such a short time before. Children do and say amazing things where the gospel is concerned. I have a friend whose 4 year old grandaughter kept telling her she was going to the temple when she grew up like her friend Mary. The parents and grandparents talked about it and couldn't come up with a Mary amoung the little ones friends. They asked her who her friend Mary was and she went and pointed to the nativity scene under the Christmas tree. Did she make it up or was she in communication? A young boy in our ward at about 5 would get up and bear his testimony very very eloquently ... nearly a sermon worthy of a GA ... a year later he could barely talk in front of stangers. How could he bear this type of testimony with absolutely accurate doctrine by himself at this age? Personally I never doubt a childs testimony ... they have been where I want to be more recently than I have. Yes they may hear these things from parents and be taught these things but who are we to judge how much they know at that point in their lives any more than we would judge the testimony of another adult?

How about someone or a family at prayer?

Having ones name removed from the records of the church does only that ... the problem ... what ever it is ... still needs to be dealt with at some point in time. My personal opinion is that just because you have your name removed doesn't mean that the covenant has been removed ... it's not that easy. One would still be responsible. JMHO. Following through with a disciplinary hearing would address the issue and start the repentance process. Not easy but a much better choice. You may loose your fellowship or your membership but at least you would be on the right path as opposed to being in rebellion. Church discipline is about love and forgiveness ... kind of scary but oh what a relief ... you feel light and happy ... like you could fly. I've been there and by far the worst was the tears in my dear Bishop's eyes. It is always better to follow the path the Lord has set than go it alone which is pretty much what the differences amount to.

My father and I were talking about this just the other. People try to make the gospel so deep and difficult when really it is very simple and user friendly. It is easy enough for everyone to understand and embrace. Our Savior takes no chances with our salvation (we do that) ... He loves us.

Some of the sweetest and most intune testimonies I have heard through out my life have come from small children. For many of them the veil is very thin and they have insight that we as adults do not. But it has to be from them ... even if they need a little coaching. This is the way they learn. They are no less able to know that the church is true than some of the rest of us. The acount in the Bof M of the Saviors treatment of the children shows us how He feels about them.

I am not a small person ... never have been never will be. Years ago when No Nonsense Queen size panty hose came out (yes I am THAT old) I figured this was great so I bought a new pair and wore them when I dressed for a dog show (I believe you dress for success so I wear nice clothing in the ring) I got to the show and showed the first dog a small one with no trouble. I then went in with my whippet (a 1/2 size version of a greyhound) who you have to move much faster. After the first go round I was in trouble, I called the ring steward over and asked if I could leave the ring because my panty hose were down around my knees .. she goes and tells the male judge who turns and winks at me and then she comes to hold my dog so I can deal with the problem. I walked out of the ring and did a quick disscussion with myself as to whether I should make this look good or crawl away and never come back. Looking good won ... I kicked off my shoes, pulled off the pantyhose, threw them over my shoulder, put my shoes back on and went back to my dog. This was done in front of about 500 people. My whippet won the only point she every got that day! (She hated showing) I heard of another gal whose slip fell down as she was running her dog in the ring ... she just step out of it and kept on going!

The promise is given .. if the conditions are followed an answer will come ... you need to be sure you are listening. The answer will not necessarily (more than likely not) be a huge thing it may be still and small and quiet. Keep praying and keep listening. Consider what you are praying for and maybe change the content .... praying for the same thing a differnt way may produce results. The Lord does things in His own way in His own time.

To coin and old phrase ...."The Church is perfect ... the people are not". Members of the church are just people stumbling along this path we are all on and doing the best they can. I have personally found that the more you put into something the more you get out of it. We have to do our best for ourselves ... we can't do the best for anyone else. People have so much going on in their lives they either don't know or don't care what is going on around them. The best ward I have ever been to in my life (47 years a member) was a ward in Cuzco, Peru. These dear sweet saints have absolutely nothing and yet they get it. When we walked in EVERYONE greeted us .. the sisters gave us a hug and kissed our cheek. Entire familes bore their testimonies together gathered around the pulpit from the smallest to the parents. The spirit present was unbelievable. I do not speak Spanish but I got every word. I guess because they have nothing they don't have all the other issues to cloud what they see as the way the church should be. I don't think it is a matter of how hypocritical people in the church are but how compasssionate we are when we view the things going on around us.

When I was young I wanted to go to catechism (sp) with the neighbor kids and mom told my dad it was time find his kids a church but not to bother her. Dad worked with a guy who needed to learn Spanish so they sort of swapped info. I grew up in the church and sort of skated along most of my life. After being inactive for nearly 14 years I got back to church but was still skating ... I knew it was true but wasn't really doing anything about it. One Sunday sitting in Sacrement meeting we sang "I Stand All Amazed". I had sung it a million times but this time I could not finish ... the words hit my like a ton of bricks ... I finally got it. It was beyond the still small voice. I suddenly knew what the atonement was about and that it was about me. What a feeling.

How is FEMA supposed to take over when we can't even get them to show up for a flood until the work is pretty much done?

Just another distraction for the people ... basically if it walks like a duck ..... it is terror and we are in a battle for our freedom .... JMHO

Well let's see.... How about the sense of entitlement in DC? The country is in a mess financially and we will pay for it for years but then they give money to bail out an insurance company (banks, auto industry ... how did that get in there???) and line the pockets of the big wigs with the money we have yet to make and think it is OK. They bail out the auto industry ... which I can kind of see ... but are not required to make conditions and changes that would justify the use of our money ... I mean $75 an hour???? How about SS for illeagals who have never worked a day in the US or paid a dime in taxes. How about lost citizen jobs while non-citizens keep theirs? I could continue ... They are not taking care of business ... our business in a manner that is to the best interest of the nation ... which is just exactly what they are elected to do. It is a good ol' boys club ... let's get them before they get us mentality. These people are not stupid they are just out for themselves ... they have no sense of what Civil Servant means. Government needs to be like a bumper sticker I saw not long ago that said "Make a marriage license as hard to get as a building permit" .... make it hard to get the bail out money .... Cut spending from the top down ... cut pork ... cut government wages (our state is at 8% + unemployment and has been for some time and yet our idiot governor and her buds gave themselves a 12% raise) .... and what the heck don't they get about flat tax? Sorry ... this is a soap box for me.

Not what we elected them to be up that's for sure.

Missionaries SHOULD be totally focused on their work and the best ones are. The closer they follow the mission rules the more productive they can be. When they don't follow the rules they let themselves in for all sorts of trouble. No time .... no troubel!