JohnnyRudick

My thoughts are by no means that they "run the world?. Influence the way things tend to go? Yes, they try and many times I believe succeed. But- I said that they can be no doubt found rather in positions of power rather then putting out some silly so-called Satanic music piece or writing on some railroad trestle somewhere. If Satan actually has people who worship him and the Scriptures which I believe says he does) and made a pact with him I believe as the Scripture teaches, he would place them in positions where he would serve Satan the most good. If you have studied the backgrounds of the people who fired up the mobs against Joseph Smith, the controversy surrounding the death of Captain William Morgan in the early 1800's and his allegations which led to his death, the warnings of President George Washington earlier, the warnings in the Bible and the Book of Mormon particularly, it would come as no surprise to you that if there are any true devel worshipers where you might find them. I am not alone in this and I wonder why I am left hanging? Well;) It is not as bad as some make it sound. Cooler heads most of the time prevail and we do not slide so fast:D Bro. Rudick

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I see your point. But:D Being "Translated" does not only mean being removed from the earth in bodily form, but "changed". The blood changed to a pure water type substance and the flesh cleansed of all disease. I am sure most have been transported to another world, but it could be. . . Bro. Rudick

Read the Scripture though:) And then go back and please read the Book of Mormon for your self;) It is your Book. It is America's Book. Bro. Rudick

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Good luck with that:) No where in Revelations is that prophecy. No where in the Scriptures. Might have been the whims of a writer of some book? Have no clue as to door number two either. Bro. Rudick

Having had many x-rays I have had many an occasion where it just was more convenient to take off my shirt right on the spot. Just happens sometimes. Most of the time there is a dressing room. Bro. Rudick

I like horses. Use to ride alot on my friends horses. Never could afford one myself. Always wanted one. I use to compete in the bronc ride and won a pair of boots one time, a belt buckle and another time I won a 12' bullwhip. wish I had a horse:mellow: But I still can't afford one:D Bro. Rudick

Hay Jorsen:) I would stay away from those anti-Mormon websites. You know that if the Church is true, (and it is by the way;)) then the devil is doing all he can to keep you confused. I have read most every anti-Mormon thing out there I can think of and I have to keep in the Scriptures to keep my head straight. Are you willing to do that? Then stay away from those places. You know that their spirit is one of strife and contention. I pray for you in combating this evil that is keeping you away from the Lord and His blessings He has for you and your family. Bro. Rudick

I wish I had brodband. I have to wait and see how it all comes out. From what I have seen on TV - Fox News as my main source of Info, I go with the Policeman for now. Of course I believed OJ guilty before the trial was over also:) Bro. Rudick

Kinda reminds me of Moses dieing on the mount and Joshuah burying him. Bro. Rudick

Do you really believe that the people in Shakespeare's day spoke in the same way he wrote his Shakespearean plays? The people of the early 1800s did not have that much trouble;e with the language the language of the English Bibles of the day like Tyndale's or the Common Bible which was what we call the King James Version. Which at that time was not just another "version" but was the common Bible in use. The bibles which came after were considered another version of the King James and shunned by most Christians. The ads always compared their "New and Improved" bibles to the King James. It was not until people who secretly wished to pollute the Bible with misinformation under the guise of making it more accurate and what ever. . . The Lord saw fit to translate His record of the people of the Americas in the language and pattern of the Scripture the young Gentile nation was already accustomed. We are not today use to the idea of a "High English". A proper English set aside for better things. Most of us today laugh at such niceties but such was the case in the day. The Book of Mormon puts it's stamp of approval on the King James Bible. God had placed in the Book of Mormon for His own purpose text that backs up the TR texts and the King James translators. Bro. Rudick

OK;) Sounds good to me. Read the Book of Mormon and do just that:) If you think you can't manage it maybe just shoot for 150 pages. Prayerfully by then you will desire to read the rest;) Bro. Rudick

I find them to be silent on such things at this time. Bro. Rudick

Funny I just saw it as Esau coming to His rightful end which would result in much the same thing. Guess that was what the King James Translators had in mind. Wonder what Luthers Bible had befor Hitler got hold of it? No help there either. Check out verses; 8 Shall I not in that day, saith the Lord, even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau? 9 And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter. 10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off forever. I believe the Bible again explains itself. If you can't find it in the other Scriptures it is because it is already explained, I find in most cases;) Bro. Rudick

Nope:rolleyes: Just a few of us conspiracy nuts:cool: 2 Nephi 9:8 O the wisdom of God, his mercy and grace! For behold, if the flesh should rise no more our spirits must become subject to that angel who fell from before the presence of the Eternal God, and became the devil, to rise no more. 2 Nephi 9:9 And our spirits must have become like unto him, and we become devils, angels to a devil, to be shut out from the presence of our God, and to remain with the father of lies, in misery, like unto himself; yea, to that being who beguiled our first parents, who transformeth himself nigh unto an angel of light, and stirreth up the children of men unto secret combinations of murder and all manner of secret works of darkness. Helaman 6:21 But behold, Satan did stir up the hearts of the more part of the Nephites, insomuch that they did unite with those bands of robbers, and did enter into their covenants and their oaths, that they would protect and preserve one another in whatsoever difficult circumstances they should be placed, that they should not suffer for their murders, and their plunderings, and their stealings. Helaman 6:22 And it came to pass that they did have their signs, yea, their secret signs, and their secret words; and this that they might distinguish a brother who had entered into the covenant, that whatsoever wickedness his brother should do he should not be injured by his brother, nor by those who did belong to his band, who had taken this covenant. Helaman 6:23 And thus they might murder, and plunder, and steal, and commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness, contrary to the laws of their country and also the laws of their God. Helaman 6:24 And whosoever of those who belonged to their band should reveal unto the world of their wickedness and their abominations, should be tried, not according to the laws of their country, but according to the laws of their wickedness, which had been given by Gadianton and Kishkumen. Helaman 6:25 Now behold, it is these secret oaths and covenants which Alma commanded his son should not go forth unto the world, lest they should be a means of bringing down the people unto destruction. 3 Nephi 7:6 And the regulations of the government were destroyed, because of the secret combination of the friends and kindreds of those who murdered the prophets. Ether 8:7 And now Jared became exceedingly sorrowful because of the loss of the kingdom, for he had set his heart upon the kingdom and upon the glory of the world. Ether 8:8 Now the daughter of Jared being exceedingly expert, and seeing the sorrows of her father, thought to devise a plan whereby she could redeem the kingdom unto her father. Ether 8:9 Now the daughter of Jared was exceedingly fair. And it came to pass that she did talk with her father, and said unto him: Whereby hath my father so much sorrow? Hath he not read the record which our fathers brought across the great deep? Behold, is there not an account concerning them of old, that they by their secret plans did obtain kingdoms and great glory? Ether 8:10 And now, therefore, let my father send for Akish, the son of Kimnor; and behold, I am fair, and I will dance before him, and I will please him, that he will desire me to wife; wherefore if he shall desire of thee that ye shall give unto him me to wife, then shall ye say: I will give her if ye will bring unto me the head of my father, the king. Ether 8:11 And now Omer was a friend to Akish; wherefore, when Jared had sent for Akish, the daughter of Jared danced before him that she pleased him, insomuch that he desired her to wife. And it came to pass that he said unto Jared: Give her unto me to wife. Ether 8:12 And Jared said unto him: I will give her unto you, if ye will bring unto me the head of my father, the king. Ether 8:13 And it came to pass that Akish gathered in unto the house of Jared all his kinsfolk, and said unto them: Will ye swear unto me that ye will be faithful unto me in the thing which I shall desire of you? Ether 8:14 And it came to pass that they all sware unto him, by the God of heaven, and also by the heavens, and also by the earth, and by their heads, that whoso should vary from the assistance which Akish desired should lose his head; and whoso should divulge whatsoever thing Akish made known unto them, the same should lose his life. Ether 8:15 And it came to pass that thus they did agree with Akish. And Akish did administer unto them the oaths which were given by them of old who also sought power, which had been handed down even from Cain, who was a murderer from the beginning. Ether 8:16 And they were kept up by the power of the devil to administer these oaths unto the people, to keep them in darkness, to help such as sought power to gain power, and to murder, and to plunder, and to lie, and to commit all manner of wickedness and whoredoms. Ether 8:17 And it was the daughter of Jared who put it into his heart to search up these things of old; and Jared put it into the heart of Akish; wherefore, Akish administered it unto his kindred and friends, leading them away by fair promises to do whatsoever thing he desired. Ether 8:18 And it came to pass that they formed a secret combination, even as they of old; which combination is most abominable and wicked above all, in the sight of God; Ether 8:19 For the Lord worketh not in secret combinations, neither doth he will that man should shed blood, but in all things hath forbidden it, from the beginning of man. Ether 8:20 And now I, Moroni, do not write the manner of their oaths and combinations, for it hath been made known unto me that they are had among all people, and they are had among the Lamanites. Ether 8:21 And they have caused the destruction of this people of whom I am now speaking, and also the destruction of the people of Nephi. Ether 8:22 And whatsoever nation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, until they shall spread over the nation, behold, they shall be destroyed; for the Lord will not suffer that the blood of his saints, which shall be shed by them, shall always cry unto him from the ground for vengeance upon them and yet he avenge them not. Ether 8:23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain-- and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be. Ether 8:24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up. Ether 8:25 For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who beguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath hardened the hearts of men that they have murdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning. Ether 8:26 Wherefore, I, Moroni, am commanded to write these things that evil may be done away, and that the time may come that Satan may have no power upon the hearts of the children of men, but that they may be persuaded to do good continually, that they may come unto the fountain of all righteousness and be saved. Just a few of us conspiracy nuts:D Bro. Rudick

Yeah, I was ignoring that part of the prophecy and concentrating on Esau:rolleyes: Gonna be a lot of judging going on in dem days:eek: 1 Corinthians 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 1 Corinthians 6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? 1 Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 1 Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 1 Corinthians 6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. 1 Corinthians 6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? Bro. Rudick

Originally Posted by aj4u View Post "Yes, I know the story behind the BOM and I have a copy!" You see here where he is coming from. Bro. Rudick

Yes, he did. and I confused Esau with Ishmael last night I am sorry. You will remember later out of anger he married outside of what his father Issac and the Lord had prescribed. As is usual when you associate with those who the Lord would not have you you sometimes become corrupted by their behavior. Also raising children up in disobedience to the Lord as well. Not to say that Israel did not always do right Psalm 106:35 But were mingled among the heathen, and learned their works. Psalm 106:36 And they served their idols: which were a snare unto them. Psalm 106:37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils, Psalm 106:38 And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood. Psalm 106:39 Thus were they defiled with their own works, and went a whoring with their own inventions. Psalm 106:40 Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against his people, insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance. But Esau and his family through out history was a thorn in the side of the rest of the world and got the Lord "really mad at him":D Malachi 1:1 The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi. Malachi 1:2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, Malachi 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. Malachi 1:4 Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever. I believe most of the problems we are having today are from the descendants of Esau and Ishmael. Bro. Rudick

I am sooooooo sorry again:mellow: It is a good thing I don't go out on dates any more:p I can't telll the girls from the boys:confused: You are not a girl, your a guy:D I meant you. Ooops:D Luv ya anyway;) Bro. Rudick