Jamie123
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Chapter 19: At last! We have 2 more significant female characters: the queen (though I don't think we know her name) and the servant woman Abish! (A pity we don't have an account of what happened to her dad - though maybe that comes later?)
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7 hours ago, zil2 said:
1 part ammonia + 10 parts water + a drop of liquid dish soap.
Ammonia does a serious number on ink. (But I wouldn't soak metal for very long in ammonia.)
The good news is that you're on the same island as CultPens.com.
And it appears they're having a Fountain Pen Day sale! (ETA: Happy to answer pre-purchase questions so you don't waste your money.)
Wow! Who knew you could pay £955 on a pen?
P.S. make that £2,500!
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1 hour ago, zil2 said:
, yeah, even if the pen's body were metal, the feed (click here for a Fountain Pen Anatomy page) would either be plastic or ebonite, and boiling water will ruin either. The good news is that if it leaked all over your fingers, in all likelihood the section was cracked, and cleaning it wouldn't have fixed that.
Yes, it was only a cheap plastic pen anyway. I had a vague idea that if I could get all the dried congealed ink out of it I could "start again". I had previously tried soaking it in cold water, but that couldnt seem to get all the ink out. I should probably have tried warm water before going straight for hot.
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42 minutes ago, Still_Small_Voice said:
Valentine was beaten, stoned, and beheaded on February 14, 270. People who remembered his loving service to many young couples began celebrating his life, and he came to be regarded as a saint through whom God had worked to help people in miraculous ways. By the year 496, Pope Gelasius designated February 14th as Valentine’s official feast day.
I knew Valentine was a Roman martyr but this story is new to me - thanks!
Richmal Crompton once wrote a short story called "St. Mars' Day", featuring her recurring hero William Brown. William is a mischievous 11-year-old boy who is (along with most of his friends) sick of celebrating Valentine's day each year, and thinks it's high time to change it to "Mars' Day" (Mars being the "saint" of war). His opinion of St. Valentine was (quoting with questionable accuracy from memory):
"Why did he spend all his time writing soppy love letters to his girlfriend instead of getting himself properly martyred like all the other the other saints?"
I guess this is the answer!
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17 minutes ago, zil2 said:
Yes, true enough - we need another column!
Meanwhile, do you suppose the folks who choose images to include with the Book of Mormon will consider my drawing of Ammon watering king Lamoni's sheep?
Do you have 3 different fountain pens one for each colour? Or do you wash it out between colours? Or are you actually using a tablet?
I found my old fountain pen today (the one that used to leak all over my fingers) and I washed it out with boiling water to "deep-clean" it. Stupid idea - it melted. So lesson of the day: don't clean your pen with boiling water.
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46 minutes ago, zil2 said:
Really summarized summary of 1-16:
Nehor
Amlicites mark themselves and join the Lamanites
Alma gives up the judgement seat to preach full time
People of Ammonihah earn their destruction; Zeezrom and Amulek
Adventures of the sons of Mosiah
Perhaps we ought to slide that last item back since its happening concurrently with events in Zarahemla.
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4 minutes ago, zil2 said:
I believe that this is the land that Nephi went to when he fled Laman and Lemuel. A portion of the Nephites, under king Mosiah I fled this land and found Zarahemla. That's how the Lamanites came to occupy the land of Nephi.
That was the impression I got too - though the fact that they still call it "the Land of Nephi" shows they had long memories!
P.S. Though now I think about it, many places in the US are named after the native people who once lived there: Manhattan, Utah, Arkansas, Minnisota, Dakota...
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8 minutes ago, zil2 said:
I created a pseudo-genealogy chart of all the people named in the book of Ether. And a pseudo-chart of all the places named when they were fighting over territory. I don't think I have one for the rest of the Book of Mormon - you'd need a wall-sized sheet of paper for such a thing! Anyway, yeah, it's hard to keep track. I find that writing down summaries of the different main characters can help. I think the BofM app has an index where you could look up the different Ammons, etcs.
I think when we've finished Alma (which won't be for ages - it's huge!) I'll update the chronology I posted a few weeks back, and you could tell me what I've got right and wrong?
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14 minutes ago, Vort said:
The same-name thing can be a problem. The good news is that Mormon is a skilled narrator and editor, and if you're careful, it's really not too hard to keep the various characters straight.
This is another obvious question which I could probably answer myself with a bit of thumbing around, but why does 17:18 say that Ammon was "chief among them" when Aaron was presumably there too? (It says in Mosiah 29:3 that Aaron had gone up to the land of Nephi* - so presumably he and Ammon were together before the brothers all separated.)
*Calling it the land of Nephi seems odd too - considering the it was primarily the land of the Lamanites. Though I daresay the Nephites maintained a nominal claim to it. (Rather like English continued to claim France long after the French had won it back!)
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2 minutes ago, Vort said:
Different Ammon, a full generation apart. I like to think that king Mosiah was so impressed with Ammon (I) that he named a son after him. Mosiah's sons became close buddies to Alma's son Alma (Jr.), and I'm guessing the younger Alma was born a few years before the kerfluffle with Amulon (overseeing Alma's people being taken into bondage, who then miraculously escape and found their way to Zarahemla).
I'm going to have to read this book again I think, after after we finish. So much fine detail, and people with same/similar names!
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15 minutes ago, Vort said:
Ammon having a disarming manner is a favorite joke in the Vort household.
Please forgive the stupid question, but I've forgotten. Is this the same Ammon who appeared in the book of Mosiah? Or is it a different Ammon.
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24 minutes ago, zil2 said:
Somehow, I can't quite link Ammon to Monty Python, but I totally get the link.
Indeed not! But it's hard to dissociate "cutting off arms" with this scene!
For one thing, I think you're right about the force needed to cut off an arm. Graham Chapman makes it look so effortless!
I feel sorry for Graham Chapman. He was very funny, but he didn't have a happy life, and he died young. He was a severe alcoholic. He never touched a drop for the last 12 years of his life, but the damage was already done.
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1 hour ago, zil2 said:
v37-38: Hacking through bone, even arm bones, is not exactly an easy thing... Dude's been working out and keeping his sword really sharp...
You could say he "disarmed" the Lamanites! *laughs like a drain at his own joke*
I couldn't read this part without thinking of something else:
P.S. I've got another one: he "rendered them 'armless"! 😁
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2 hours ago, Vort said:
A sarcastic, negative association (like "trouble and strife" meaning "wife") would be gold.
It's certainly the case with that one! I can't think of any other examples though...
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5 hours ago, Carborendum said:
I've never heard that. OK, as long as I'm Batman. Or if I'm going to be Robin, I'd better be Jason Todd.
Maybe it was just certain people I hung out with who used the term
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25 minutes ago, zil2 said:
Oddly enough, I generally don't like LDS movies.
That's interesting - other LDSs have told me the same thing at different times. I wonder if I would enjoy Church of England movies (if there were such a thing!)
At least the closest I can think of is The Vicar of Dibley - which is a TV show, not a movie. I find that quite funny, but it's not really "insider humour". It's more how a non-churchgoing person would imagine church goings-on.
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9 minutes ago, Carborendum said:
LoL. Yeah, I remember those episodes. I'm surprised you do. I'd understand the David episode. It was a full episode.
But the Joseph and Mary thing was just a single scene. I don't know how many people would remember that. Congrats.
Just to let you know how nit-picky I can get with TV shows, I wondered how there could be a Thriving Greek Empire and a Thriving Roman Empire (Caesar was a recurring character) all within a few years' time that covered the era from David to Jesus. And they even did a bit of dabbling with 300.
But, hey. It's a TV show.
And, let's not forget Centicles (Ho-ho-ho).
Yup - she's either a time-traveler, or else she lives in an alternate world in which every important historical event happened within one lifetime! I used to wonder if next week we'd see her at Waterloo, or at the crossing of the Delaware, or helping the Wright Brothers get off the ground!
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1 hour ago, zil2 said:
v16: Many a convert to the Church can relate to Amulek.
It makes me think of the movie The Errand of Angels. The main character, having got on really well with her first missionary companion, is given a new one - Sister Keller - who is totally different. She initially thinks that Sister Keller has a screw loose, but eventually learns that her seemingly strange behaviour is down to her having been rejected by her family on joining the Church. Amulek doesn't seem to have had such problems though - at least not yet! (It's early days.)
Yes, Latter-day Saint movies are one of my secret vices. My favourite is One Good Man - which I must have seen about 20 times. I'll get around to writing something about it some day. The funniest - in a dark way - is Baptists at Our Barbecue. (Some of the humour is not unlike Fawlty Towers.) God's Army is quite amusing too, though it's debatable if that is really an LDS movie, as the guy responsible for it is ex-LDS.
I ought to mention Charly too. That was the first LDS movie I saw. It's pretty much Shadowlands meets Love Story. I totally love Heather Beers!
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45 minutes ago, Carborendum said:
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and not that it matters, but: Gabrielle, not Gabriella.
OK, Gabrielle! It pays to be accurate about these things! 😁
By the way, Xena and Gabrielle had their fair share of Biblical adventures - helping David to kill Goliath, and giving their donkey to Mary and Joseph on their way to Bethlehem. A pity they never made it to America though...
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11 minutes ago, Carborendum said:
So, instead of hero and sideckick (à la Sky High - 2005), we tend to think of Alma and Amulek as Sr Companion and Jr. Companion. Just to introduce you to LDS lingo.
Speaking of Lingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMoo4NVPNZU
That may be the official lingo, but people do sometimes refer to senior/junior missionary pairs (not necessarily Latter-day saints) as "Batmans* and Robins".
I always thought it was rather a good analogy - unless of course you think it's offensive, in which case I won't use it.
*Correct plural of Batman: Batmans? or Batmen?
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8 minutes ago, mirkwood said:
From ghoulies and ghosties
And long-leggedy beasties
And things that go bump in the night,
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16 hours ago, zil2 said:
v11: Sometimes God tells you not to do something which otherwise seems like a good, or even noble or heroic, thing.
Trust that the Lord will bless all who suffer in or for his name.
I'm still thinking about the implications of this. I don't know what to say, other than that I'd probably have been Amulek, not Alma.
Amulek is to Alma what Barnabus is to Paul. (And Robin is to Batman, Watson is to Holmes, Sancho is to Don Quixote and Gabriella is to Xena.)
(And Penfold is to Danger Mouse.)
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2 hours ago, zil2 said:
Or the story of Peter in Acts 12 (my favorite is how Rhoda is so excited that she leaves Peter locked outside while she goes to tell everyone that Peter's free
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If I remember rightly, that's the last mention of Peter in Acts. It says he went away "somewhere else" and that's it. Of course we know he ended up in Rome where he became bishop and was eventually crucified ("Quo vadis, Domine?") but none of that is recorded in Acts.
The original of that is in the National Gallery here in London. Peter's wide eyes are amazing. He really looks terrified.
Ammonia does a serious number on ink. (But I wouldn't soak metal for very long in ammonia.)
And it appears they're having a Fountain Pen Day sale! (ETA: Happy to answer pre-purchase questions so you don't waste your money.)
Trust that the Lord will bless all who suffer in or for his name.
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Book of Mormon Reading Group: 30 Oct - 05 Nov 2023 (Alma 13 - Alma 25)
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I'm sure you'll hear stories about similar things amongst the charismatic churches. There are tales of people being "slain in the spirit", which I believe is a form of fainting - I'm not certain - or flipping about on the floor like "drowning" fish. I suspect a lot of it is hyperbole* - like stories of gold raining down from heaven.
*See how clever I am? I used the word correctly, and I even know how it's pronounced! Do I get a gold star? 😆