Jamie123
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59 minutes ago, zil2 said:
The Elder can think whatever he wants, but only you and God can know what you do / don't have a testimony of.
Then again, I've just remembered Alma 11:24 😟
Though if Amulek had been wrong, I don't suppose Zeezrom would have paranoided himself into believing otherwise.
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34 minutes ago, zil2 said:
I can't be the only person who has sometimes wished not to know the gospel or truth or commandments or whatever
I remember at school listening to a play called (if I remember rightly) The Concrete Serpent. It contained the line "Men seek the truth and then betray". I've never since found any reference to it, but I think it's very true.
It reminds me if another quote. This may be Lessing, but I'm not totally sure: "The eyes of those who seek have often found more than they wished to find".
P.S. I could have sworn that last one was from Nathan the Wise, but I found it on Project Gutenberg and no luck. You know, I bet it was actually Dumbledore who said it.
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5 minutes ago, Carborendum said:
Uhmmm. Can't tell if you're now running it through the chain of malaprops exercise.
You said that was the name of the half-breed animal. Then you said it was a Chameleon, bringing up a tune from Culture Club.
So...
J: It's called a cama.
Carb: You mean the punctuation mark?J: No that's a kind of pause.
Carb: You mean the chameleon?J: No, that's Karma.
Carb: Wait isn't that a...Ahaaa...sorry! I'm just a bit of a thicko 😀
It's like the old joke: How do you make a [insert ethnicity you wish to slander]man laugh on Friday? Tell him a joke on Monday.
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16 minutes ago, Vort said:
If we are messengers of God's word, then by definition we are angels, and should therefore speak with the tongue of angels. Nephi had something to say about that
I have known at least four people who have the gift of tongues (though one of them is now dead). I do not have it myself, nor do I particularly want it. Perhaps that's not a bad thing.
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29 minutes ago, Carborendum said:
and the cama - "pause"
Spanish for bed?
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On second thought, questions like this are best asked in prayer.
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7 minutes ago, Vort said:
That comment was directed as a commentary, not about the anti-Nephi-Lehies, but about the Amalekites and Amulonites, former Nephites who left the Nephites and who were responsible for most of the 1000+ killings among the anti-Nephi-Lehies. They had once believed and been covenant people, but at this time had become so hardened that they gladly slaughtered unarmed, defenseless men (maybe women and children, too) just for the pure enjoyment of exercising their hatred.
Yep - that makes sense. Thanks
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Chapter 24: The ANLs have made a commitment never to use lethal force again. The Amalekites and Amulonites and a lot of other people attack them without resistance and kill about 1000. When they realize what's happening most of the attackers repent ("coals if fire" I guess) and join the ANLs. The ANLs actually increase in number as a result. But how does any of this demonstrate that people who have lapsed into sin after knowing the truth become "more hardened" (verse 30)?
(Serious question. I'm not trying to pick fault
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13 hours ago, Vort said:
and which I believe is why he was called "Lackland")
I always used to think that too - but I have read that the name (Sans Terre in French) came from the fact that his father Henry II did not initially give him any territories (as he did his two older sons).
13 hours ago, Vort said:The point is, this sort of vassal kingship is not unique to the Book of Mormon, or even particularly rare in historical t
Maybe another example would be Zedekiah who was appointed king of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar. When he made an alliance with Egypt against Babylon, that was seen as an act of treason against his overlord - and we all know what the result was.
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13 hours ago, Vort said:
Actually, I'm not sure that England was technically part of John's vassalage to Phillip II.
Yep, John held Enlgand independently (though at one point i believe he was a Papal vassal). But you're right, he was a vassal to Phillp in respect of his French territories. Though technically he was not a king of any of those - only duke or count.
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13 hours ago, Carborendum said:
I can't tell if my joke went over your head or if ...
Maybe "drug mules" and "drug cartels"? Yep - right over my "innocent" head 😉
Am I right?
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10 minutes ago, zil2 said:
don't recall ever hearing the complete song, let alone poe-tar-toe
I know its irrelevant but I can't hear "potato" and "tomato" in the same sentence without it triggering the song.
10 minutes ago, zil2 said:potatos or potatoes - one could argue either way, even though only the second is correct.
Yep I think the second is more pleasing to the eye. I wouldn't quite know how to explain why though.
P.S. You're right. I can't write 'potatos' without itching to put an e in it.
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21 minutes ago, zil2 said:
You say potato and I say potatoe...
Ok I get the two ways of saying "tomato". But who ever says "potartoe"? Nobody, that's who. I only ever heard that in that song.
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Why "Anti-Nephi-Lehis"? Were they Lehis who were against Nephi? Or does "anti" mean something other than "against"?
P.S. The Wikipedia article on the Anti-Nephi-Lehis lists some interesting theories about the origin of the name. Yer man Nibley thinks the "anti" part comes from Egyptian not Greek. (In fact, if it is Greek it must be a translation of some other word since the Greek invasion didn't come until long after Lehi left.)
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54 minutes ago, Carborendum said:
I'm sorry, but I had to pause for a moment to think about that.
I'll alert the cartels.
It's a kind of chameleon!
P.S. This is what it looks like:
P.P.S. Poor little guy. His mum was a camel and his dad was a llama (or vice versa), and the whole purpose of his existence is to satisfy the humans' curiosity about whether or not he's possible!
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Totally sexist I know, but "You'll be a man/woman my son/daughter" doesn't have quite the same ring. (And it doesn't rhyme either!)
P.S. Even that is transphobic: how about "You'll be a man/woman/non-binary person my son/daughter/child"?
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30 minutes ago, Jamie123 said:
Did you know that llamas and alpacas belong to the camel family?
I was just looking into whether or not you can breed llamas with camels, and it seems it has been done using artificial insemination. The offspring you get is called a "cama".
I also discovered that while mules cannot mate with each other and produce viable offspring, it is possible to breed a female mule with a male donkey or horse.
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1 hour ago, JohnsonJones said:
It seems (And Alma the Younger would have also had this occur earlier in the Book of Mormon), that upon having the Spirit testify to them, people tend to fall into a coma like state. Has anyone ever had anyone in this modern era fall into a coma like state upon having the "shock" of conversion fall upon them?
I'm sure you'll hear stories about similar things amongst the charismatic churches. There are tales of people being "slain in the spirit", which I believe is a form of fainting - I'm not certain - or flipping about on the floor like "drowning" fish. I suspect a lot of it is hyperbole* - like stories of gold raining down from heaven.
*See how clever I am? I used the word correctly, and I even know how it's pronounced! Do I get a gold star? 😆
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Chapter 19: At last! We have 2 more significant female characters: the queen (though I don't think we know her name) and the servant woman Abish! (A pity we don't have an account of what happened to her dad - though maybe that comes later?)
Book of Mormon Reading Group: 30 Oct - 05 Nov 2023 (Alma 13 - Alma 25)
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It just sounds like jabber to me!