Backroads

I see that and that is my fear. It just sucks when, despite counseling, this girl is not getting the idea that sex is normal.

... and I happen to love the way they're written. Heh. She's not a GA, but Chieko Okazaki is one of my favorite spiritual writers.

So I'm going to be staying with my SiL next week while my brother is out of town and we're both temporarily single, and I think this would be an excellent time to talk about this situation with her, young lady to young lady, which is something that has not been done in such a term. I've actually been praying about what to say to her, but I'd like to see if there is any specific advice?

Basic rule of life guarding: You NEED to be able to see those under your care. Dahlia, that story breaks my heart! As does this.

Something I thought was interesting... I've been reading this book of yogic philosophy (hardly Mormon-focused) and in it, several times, the author referred to moving beyond unhealthy sexual activities such as pornography and masturbation...

It is. The fact the place was already pink makes it almost impossible to punish him.

My lifeguard and aquatics director training is screaming at me this is wrong. At camp I'd close the lakefront the moment the shadows reached a certain point. Not to mention this is just plain creepy...

The announcer said it. He said it when he was in no position to act upon it. He said it as a joke, not as a political comment. If he had said it as a political comment, it would have NOT been at such a venue and he would have been able to do something about it. How else was I to interpret it? I don't have the time to assume the best of this man. He chose to say this in a cruel and offensive way and I'm in a position to judge him for that. Do I truly know the difference between his possible intention to simply express his political views or his possible intention to be offensive and express a violent view of how to deal with illegals--which PLENTY of people in my area have. In his role as a rodeo announcer--not at a political ralley, not at a community function--it was not his place to speak on it, especially after he and his people happily accepted the money of any illegal aliens that could have been present. That makes him a hypocrite and his comments completely inappropriate. His "joke" was about forming a mob, grabbing people, and shoving them on a train. I can't think of another way his comment was intended. If he meant it a milder way, he should have said so. Yes, the venue was inappropriate. And therefore, so was everything he said. I also agree that anyone who is in this country should be here legally. But I do not support humor about treating people like garbage and making a joke about it. You, Iggy, missed the entire point of what that man said and how he said it. I'm sure that you and applepansy and bini have no desire to treat people badly, but what that announcer suggested, in that position, was treating people badly. I'm not talking about illegal immigration. I'm talking about a radio announcer purposely and rudely stepping beyond his bounds. If you think I'm supporting illegal immigration, please find where I said that.

While I definitely agree with you here, I don't think this was how everyone was referring to as "the right time". Even in the best of educational and financial times there can possibly be "other stuff you want to do". I had a YW leader who, after many years of attempting to have a baby, decided with her husband that if they weren't meant to have a kid they were going to blow a bunch of money on an expensive sports car. They were educationally and financially stable, bought the car, and.... she found herself pregnant. Goodbye car. I do agree that there never is a perfect time to have a kid, and it's not just financially. It's emotionally. Having a kid is a total life change. As for planning for the kid's education... not everyone does that. Myself and plenty of other kids are fully expected to provided for their own college education.

Thanks for the further information, maiku and Suzie. In my mind I was thinking of a years-ago transgression. Which does leave me to wonder why that would be mentioned in the mission field.

...but it already is pink...

I rather liked the chick, but there is something classically cool about a good explosion.

And that's the key here. The announcer did not do this respectfully.

And where did discrimination come in?

I don't think I ever thought you were segregating any race. My point is that the phrasing, while conveniently witty, did speak to me of inhuman treatment.

Even so, it's hard to get someone to sincerely go to the bishop if they don't feel bad about what they've done.

How about teaching her children that roping up people violently and throwing them on a train and making fun of human suffering is not okay? Is she allowed to do that? Chances are, I bet there were some illegal aliens helping with that rodeo.

They implied it by jumping to the legal/illegal situation instead of discussing pam's original post. If they felt it wasn't funny, I believe they would have mentioned it rather than suggesting it's okay to make fun of people.

I agree, that sounds a little iffy. I know a lot of guy missionaries who came home and mentioned sex dreams they even discussed with the rest of the guys. None of them were sent home.

Granted. I'll try to rephrase. Sin is sin and some things simply require the bishop, but there has been prior discussion in this thread that guilt is one of those things society evilly throws upon you. When you are suffering spiritually, the bishop is a good person to speak to.

I'm with pam on this. Yes, I'm a big fan of legal immigration and I don't care how you view the law. How the man said it was rude and uncalled for. It's not funny. It wasn't about the law, it was about violently grabbing people and making a spectacle of them. Applepansy, bini, would you mind on telling me how the joke was funny?

I think I"m somewhere in the middle on this... I continue to say that masterbation is not as serious a sin as other sins--because a GA said so, it does not have the effects other sexual sins do, and I just can't lump in the same category a rapist and someone who masturbated a few times. Sorry. If all sins were equal, we would not have pardonable vs unpardonable sins. Do I recommend masturbation? No. Do I think it's wrong? Yes, for a number of reasons. Do I think it warrants a talk with the bishop? Quite often, especially if you do feel bad about it. But I do think it's not as serious as other sins.

Of course. It's a Friday. You seem to be saying that anyone who masterbates will have absolutely no sexual problems. And if they do, they should in no way blame masterbation when there is some evidence that masturbation can limit one's way of being stimulated. (before you respond, please do keep in mind that I am quite iffy on masturbation=bad all the time in a sexual relation evidence. And before anyone responds to that, I'm speaking in a worldly way.)

The Japanese would be proud, Vort. The Japanese would be proud. Or insulted. How much money do they make off these movies?

Enjoy your time and special treatment before the baby comes! Congrats!