Faerie

that requires taking adults away from sacrament... and i've heard WAY too many things come out of small children's mouths to indicate that they are listening...

sorry, still not buying the "attractiveness" crap...i've met WAY too many women who were not just AS attractive, they were more attractive after having their children... and i'd rather see single parents than unneccesary abortions...and like i said :ADOPTION

no that does not include partial birth abortion...there is NO acceptable reason for a partial birth... rape? 1st trimester incest? 1st trimester mother's health? deliver the baby immediately, no need to crush its skull and suck its brain out baby's health? same as above and i'm sorry, "looks" is THE most selfish reason to want an abortion and any woman who has an abortion because she doesn't want to lose her girlish figure..well..i'll save that thought for myself...

there's no nursery during sacrament because even the squirmiest toddlers benefit from the talks and the spirit of sacrament..not to mention you are asking people to purposefully stay out of sacrament to take care of a large group of children.... even if they're acting like hellions, a lot of children learn a lot in sacrament...

a louisiana accent is MUCH different than a texan accent...WAY different...louisiana's too french...

as a southerner, i can assure you this is not unique to bush

i have to disagree w/ your "pro life" description...sure, there are hard core nuts in the "pro life" category, just as there are nuts in the "left wing" category and the "right wing" category... the majority of "pro life" people i've spoken with share my similar views...that it needs to be controlled, available only in certain circumstances, yadda yadda yadda.. and i agree w/ you winnie on family support...

yup...our ward: noisy kids in the back...we learned this early on when my husband taking the discussions...back then we were meeting in an elementary school and sacrament was held in the gym...talk about your noise levels!! my old ward was quiet...the stake president came down HARD on the bishops about reverence in the chapel...there were quite a few talks about being quiet and respectful, about taking your screaming kid out into the hallways...now when you go, you can hardly tell that there are so many kids!! my husband and i joke that we should start slipping "anon" notes to our bishop asking that he takes the same attitude towards ourw ard...although it's nowhere near as bad as some other wards...

It was my understanding after going through the temple that we are to wear our garments worthily. They aren't just big pieces of underwear. They represent a great deal and if you are not living your life worthily you are "desecrating the garments" or something like that..my back hurts...

Gee, GWBush lived in Texas almost his entire life, while the rest of his family lived up north. You don't have to live here long to pick up a strong accent, so stop the southern knocks... and anyone who insults or degrades Laura Bush needs their head examined. She is a classy woman who is anything BUT dominating... but I guess since my husband grew up in the south and DOESN'T have an accent and i do means he's the dominating one.. *roll eyes* of all the things to "pick on" Bush for, his accent is the lamest. Kerry grew up in Massachussets, yet he doesn't sound like JFK...SOMETHING MUST BE WRONG WITH HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hmmm, I believe what Bush is wanting is FEWER abortions and MORE education..he has specifically said over and over that he does not want to undo RvW...he IS against partial birth abortion which is understandable... are there circumstances where abortion is acceptable? yes!!!! rape, incest, mother's or baby's health... i have met a girl online who terminated her pregnancy at 20 weeks...why? because her baby had so many horrible deformities, that he wouldn't live to take a breath outside of his mother's body...his body was so twisted inutero that he did not resemble a human fetus...she chose to end her pregnancy because her child had no chance and she did not want to go through another 20 weeks of knowing that she was just delaying his death and she did not want him to die in an inhumane way...do I think she made the right decision? yes, as I know it was not made lightly and it was made after hours of prayer and reflection (no she's not LDS)... i wish there was another "class" on this issue..instead of "pro choice" or "pro life"..i consider myself somewhere in the middle... a: i think abortion is used too often, and too easily. b: i think there should be strict limits placed on abortion, so that it's not used as a means of "birth control" - including age restrictions, parental consent, and mandatory counseling. c: i think there needs to be FAR MORE education on the ramifications of abortion - ala: * women who have had abortions may develop scar tissue and adhesions * scar tissue and adhesions interfere with fertility * a decision made out of fear or uneducation can turn into a struggle to conceive later in life. - ala: * women who have had their cervix forced open in the abortion process are at a much higher risk of incompetent cervix and miscarriage * incompetent cervix leads to premature delivery which leads to either fetal death or lifelong disabilities including retardation, blindness, and other neurological complications : the choice is made to offically start a family, only to find that one is unable to carry a child to term : the consequences include long term bed rest, expensive hospital bills, undescribeable emotional and financial turmoil - ala: * losing a pregnancy not only puts a woman's body through a rollercoaster of hormones, it can wreak havock on one's emotional state. * it's not just a matter of "ho hum, i lost some tissue." many women who have elected to have abortions struggle with their decision for the rest of their adult life, especially when they purposefully start their families. d: there needs to be better support and progress made with adoption in this country. there are thousands upon thousands of families who spend thousands and thousands to adopt children from both this country and foreign countries. just because one doesn't want a child with a certain man, or cannot afford to have a child doesn't mean there's no hope or chance in life for that child. more support and less "social stigma" would fulfill a double barrel: giving a child to a family who desperately wants one, not having to deal with the ramifications of abortion later in life. Do I think abortion is "murder"?? I guess it also depends on WHEN an abortion is performed. I fully believe partial birth abortion to be murder, giving the fact that most fetuses that are killed by pba can survive outside of the womb with medical care. To me that's the deciding factor: if this fetus were to be delivered would it survive? A 6 week embryo would not, therefore I think it is a tragic act that may very well have lasting consequences and impact. I lost an embryo at 8 weeks due to ectopic pregnancy and the physical ramifications of the procedure i went through delayed my current pregnancy by over a year. A 21-24 week fetus can survive with medical care and in these days of modern medicine: can grow up to be a healthy and productive person. Do I support stem cell research? Yes. Do I support the purposeful creation of embryos for stem cell research? Absolutely not. There are thousands of frozen embryos in this country. They are "leftovers" from Invitro Fertilization cycles that will never be used, that will be destroyed after a certain amount of time has passed. These embryos could and should be used in stem cell research, there's an unending supply. Do I think this is "murder"?? No. Most women will miscarry an embryo of the same "age" and never know it. The average woman will have experienced 10-15 "early miscarriages" in her life and would never be able to tell you one detail other than "wow, my period sure was harsh this month." Abortion is not a black or white issue. There are many gray areas that can easily be handled by both sides.

i saw that on SNL lol..i think it was SNL... i would like one..ha ha ha...great conversation starter

I like how Kerry can look at a group of people and determine who makes more than $200K a year..lol

long time no see stranger

my, my, my this thread has changed topics more times than one of kerry's speeches!! way to go!! LOL!

Hiking a football is not embarassing. Hiking it like a 5 year old girl when you're trying to look "manly" or "macho" is?

and yea verily do i say that the cheesecake was good.

i have the revelation of cheesecake in my belly all in favor say "aye"

so...we shouldn't really pay attention to the NT because it was mostly written years after the actual events happened, buuuuut...it's ok to use that source as TRUE FACT?

cal, even YOU have to admit that the "sports photo ops" of kerry are 100% embarassing..it's like a bad tube top on a hefty woman, makes you cringe but you can't help but look :)

Well then, send them on over, and make sure they have walnuts! I love walnuts in chocolate chip cookies. I can't eat them though, they give me cankers. It's a divine punishment, I'm sure of it! only time i like nuts with my chocolate is in a snicker's bar :) and glad to see you still have your sense of humor cal :)

*shudder* that last one is just...too...*goes to her happy place*

you're right..committing adultry ISN'T a sin..wow!! thanks for clearing that up!

I heard on "The Factor" tonight the funniest thing. Someone in the Kerry camp was conversing w/ Schroeder and told him that if Kerry was elected President, his first guests at the White House would be Mr. Schroeder and Mr. Chirac from France. Schroeder's response? "I was afraid you'd say that" ROFLMAO

MY God makes better chocolate chip cookies than YOUR God