SpiritDragon

Hey guys, I've always loved this movie, it is the perfect sick-day pick me up. I thought it might be fun to see everyone's favourite lines/parts. Don't be shy to throw out all manner of unlisted ones there are just too many to put them all in the poll.

No disclaimer required questions liven things up.

My you have a lot of questions this morning :) It depends for me, some things I will hire out or buy in a factory finished state, while others I'll do myself. I have tried DIY toothpaste, not my preference. I have built bookshelves and desks and pantry shelves and such and have been very pleased with my handiwork as has my wife. My wife always likes to grow as much as she can for a garden which I suppose could be considered partial do-it-yourself groceries. I have done a lot of online learning that is very independent compared to traditional classroom learning which could be considered a form of DIY education I guess. But you know there are certain things like toilet paper that I've never felt the need to make my own.

As others have stated we don't know what we'll wear in the next life, and it does appear that the garments are for this life. However, discipline and sacrifice are still required of perfect beings. One glaring example is the atoning sacrifice, I'm sure it required plenty of discipline and sacrifice from both the Father and Son, both of which are perfect.

I spent four and a half months in Star Valley Wyoming on my mission, and I live in Canada :) I would agree that unless the road-trip appeals to you that you'll have more enjoyment sticking to Wyoming with only four days. I live very close to the U.S border just North of Montana and it is a 12 hour drive to Salt Lake City... most people I know like to break that up and stay somewhere in Idaho overnight as well. In this way you could spend all four days travelling to and from Canada coming from Utah. If you do have any questions about places in Southern Alberta, I'll be glad to share my thoughts. Waterton Lakes National Park is pretty in about a month, but better later in the year around july or August. Banff and Jasper are generally thought to be best in the winter months when skiing can be taken in.

One possibility is that the keys being declared refers to explaining what keys they had been blessed with in their dispensation. For instance even in this dispensation of the fullness of times we do not currently hold the keys of creation and resurrection. So various keys such as keys of knowledge, keys of the mysteries of the kingdom, keys to the ministering of angels, keys to the gathering of israel, keys of the kingdom and so forth could all be declared as individual keys each had access to.

I guess I see it slightly differently, and I'm not sure I can explain it well, but I'll try. It seems to me that keys are in very deed permissions, which is also authority, but different in that the key holder may "loan" keys to others by which they gain authority to act in those positions, while those who have keys on loan are unable to further distribute those keys or authority because only the master key holder can do so.

In what way do you see it as different? My main take away is that while we all hold the same priesthood, we do not all have the same permissions (keys) allowed to use that power. The lesson point blank says that a father has the keys to use his priesthood for blessing his family. He has no need to get authorized by another to do so, so long as he worthily holds the higher priesthood.

Fantastic link to Elder Oaks other talk... I really found this excerpt useful: There are many similarities and some differences in the way priesthood authority functions in the family and in the Church. If we fail to recognize and honor the differences, we encounter difficulties. Keys. One important difference between its function in the Church and in the family is the fact that all priesthood authority in the Church functions under the direction of the one who holds the appropriate priesthood keys. In contrast, the authority that presides in the family—whether father or single-parent mother—functions in family matters without the need to get authorization from anyone holding priesthood keys. This family authority includes directing the activities of the family, family meetings like family home evenings, family prayer, teaching the gospel, and counseling and disciplining family members. It also includes ordained fathers givingpriesthood blessings. However, priesthood keys are necessary to authorize the ordaining or setting apart of family members. This is because the organization the Lord has made responsible for the performance and recording of priesthood ordinances is the Church, not the family.

Great thoughts team. In my understanding both of these thoughts are correct. This is precisely why we are given keys. "We also hold the keys of the kingdom of God on earth, which kingdom is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. These keys are the right of presidency; they are the power and authority to govern and direct all of the Lord’s affairs on earth. Those who hold them have power to govern and control the manner in which all others may serve in the priesthood. All of us may hold the priesthood, but we can only use it as authorized and directed so to do by those who hold the keys." - Joseph Fielding Smith So while we are all equals in our various positions, assignments, and callings, we do not all share the same stewardship and we do not have the same capacity to act as others do who currently hold the keys designated for sustaining order. Without keys authorizing action I fear it would not be long at all until the church simply moved by the voice of popular opinion, since as equals no one voice would have any more impact than another.

Thank you for your thoughts so far. I can't cite a clear quote that suggests men hold the keys of presidency in the family, although I'm sure I have heard as much. Furthermore it seems fitting that as the presiding authority in the home he would hold keys to that effect. However we do know that for instance in the case of the relief society president, she has been given power and authority to officiate and regulate the relief society activities and visiting teaching assignments, but does not hold the keys of said presidency. Thus it is also possible and perhaps even plausible that a husband does not hold the keys of presidency in the family, but holds the position of presiding out of respect and reverence. Fathers do at the very least hold keys to bless their family as we can read here: https://www.lds.org/manual/duties-and-blessings-of-the-priesthood-basic-manual-for-priesthood-holders-part-b/priesthood-and-church-government/lesson-2-the-keys-of-the-priesthood?lang=eng

Hopefully the thought didn't offend you. My purpose is to explore these ideas, I didn't mean to imply that this is written in stone. What priesthood power and authority does a mother have in the home?

Elder Oaks did not speak about the priesthood in the home, I was simply throwing out a possible extrapolation to get the discussion started. It appears to have worked.

I have really been hoping to do a more in depth study of priesthood roles, responsibilities, power, authority and keys. I haven't got to it yet, but I sure did love Elder Oaks talk in the priesthood session. I watched it twice already tonight to soak up the great content on the priesthood talked about. I thought it was the best explanation I've ever heard of how the priesthood also pertains to women; having power and authority to direct work within the scope of the keys of the priesthood. I was hoping for a discussion here of what powers and authority are delegated through the keys of the priesthood as well as a discussion of what various keys we know about. To start things off I've always been taught that my wife is blessed as an extension of the priesthood that I hold through our sealing. After this talk, I feel like I may have a better understanding of this extension. As the father in our home I hold the keys to the presidency of affairs within our home and family. As such I can delegate to my wife priesthood power and authority to deal with matters pertaining to the home such as calling on one of the kids to say prayer in my absence. Also if the stake president were at my house, although he presides over the stake, I still preside in the home. Therefore the priesthood keys establish channels of authority or jurisdiction of sorts in administering to the needs of the kingdom. Thoughts?

It really was a thorough and excellent discussion of priesthood power, authority, and keys. ...the guilty taketh the truth to be hard, for it cutteth them to the very center.

What an excellent and timely talk. Not that the issue isn't a hot button one, but still I felt it was truly inspired timing and delivery.

I definitely thought this was the best talk of the morning session.

If this particular excerpt is considered blunt, I generally think the church is equally blunt today with few exceptions. I have come to expect a certain amount of straightforward declaration from the Lord on matters pertaining to salvation and the building up of the kingdom. However, I can see what your talking about with diluting messages and meaning in some areas. For instance the church's somewhat recent article on race and the priesthood was not straightforward and/or blunt in this manner. It read like a political document designed to say a lot and say nothing at the same time as far as I was concerned. I didn't like the lack of clarity in the letter.

I usually find a change of scenery does it for me. It is amazing what simply leaving the house can do when your feeling down. To save money I prefer to go for a walk or hit the gym as opposed to going shopping.

Nice article Dan. We could solve a lot of our western health problems if more people exercised. It would be good to have a better sample of what is really going on as the article suggests. There is no doubt that injuries are not at all uncommon in sports in general, which is all the more reason for people to build up strength, mobility, and general condition cautiously before engaging in higher intensity pursuits. For instance I was excited to see that TRX suspension training in a unilateral closed kinetic chain exercise program was shown/estimated to reduce ACL injuries in female athletes by 88%. It is cool to see what proper preparation can do to mitigate risks. I've always maintained that those who are able and willing to engage in activities such as CrossFit should feel free to do so, but cautioned those who lack appropriate ability to build up in safer ways first.

No intention to get argumentative, or threadjack :) I just saw the twist in the conversation and commented what was on my mind. I completely agree with the concept that men and women are not equal in every way, I just don't take this to mean that they are not equal over-all. If we had some kind of numeric point system to score different parameters of value and opportunity I firmly believe both would come out even in the end, assuming we used God's measuring stick and not something compiled by mortals, I'm sure the feminists would continue to stack the numbers to show they are being discriminated against. There is no doubt that men and women are different and the Lord makes no attempt to obscure this truth.

I think there is a problem with the idea of suggesting that men and women are not equal, and not from a politically correct perspective. The Lord has spoken through his servants to declare that men and women are equal: https://www.lds.org/manual/eternal-marriage-student-manual/equality-of-men-and-women?lang=eng The trouble with looking at opportunity is in defining what separate opportunities are "worth." Just as women can't hold the priesthood, men can't get pregnant, men don't have fancy grooms rooms in the temple to help make a special day, men don't "get" to wear ear-rings without a social stigma in the church and so on. How do these different opportunities rate? If the Lord says we are equal, I will accept it.

I don't know that I can say that being politically correct is hurtful to doctrinal discussion in any way, nor is the concept at face value a problem. As has been mentioned changing the words somewhat can still be just as blunt. As for wording being tempered with love; isn't this how the Saviour would want it? One area for instance that I've gathered is not hampered by political correctness is discussion of the law of chastity. My in-laws declare that what is being taught now is far more explicit than anything that was discussed in their day. I must say if our leaders are being more clear and not using archaic terms like necking and petting that kids don't understand than this is good. I don't mean to get picky with words, but I also need to clarify the use of the word blunt; to me it has the connotation of rude, but I feel like the context you are looking for would align more closely with "concise" as opposed to "rude"???

Now you\'re scary :)

Before I can share my thoughts on fear, I feel I need to do a little bit in the way of definitions. I just have to say that something about the \"final\" in final judgment sounds pretty official to me. I don\'t believe that anyone can \"escape\" @#!*% after final judgment. In this context @#!*% is referring to outer darkness, while anyone who is not in the highest degree of celestial glory will be in a varying state of damnation (meaning they can not progress infinitely). @#!*% can also refer to those in spirit prison. This @#!*% is not infinite in duration, but it is everlasting (a name Christ can use) thus any punishment dealt in @#!*% will be fitting as per the Saviour\'s judgment. Those who are repentant can be freed from this @#!*% . In all contexts of heaven and @#!*% , fear is a motivating factor. I hate the idea of not living up to my potential and being \"left\" behind as it were, while my family progresses on without me. While perfect love casteth out all fear, I don\'t always (or ever?) have perfect love and thus require fear to get me going sometimes.