The Folk Prophet

Huh?

I can't help but wonder what the objective of the complaint here is. Let's say we all acquiesce and proclaim omega and mdfqrx7z correct. Is it just a matter of being right? Just determined that you win the point? Or do you actually have a point -- you know, that might actually be useful to our lives beyond just tearing the church down?

What, exactly, do you think "the natural man" means if it isn't "inborn"?

There was a time when doctors prescribed alcohol for various purposes, was there not? How would you advise someone asking if they should use alcohol on their doctor's recommendation? Dude...some serious chips on your shoulder here. Overreact much? It's hard to offer help to someone who's going to react so defensively to what, as near as I can tell, have been quite moderate responses.

Why yes. Putting off the natural man and being willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon us is setting the bar pretty high.

Your overriding point in asking me how many gay people I know is that no one can read minds? Yeah....those dots connect....

Haha. Like I'm going to trust data from a site that has the word "rainbow" in the URL.

Haven't read the thread either, but it may be the dumbest question ever devised.

Accepting this as absolute truth just for the sake of argument, it misses the point. Gay men are 100% more likely to be sexual predators of boys than straight men are, who are, conversely 100% more likely to be sexual predators of girls. See how that works?

She just said some may be born with the proclivity. And then you said the church doesn't agree because they...allow for the same thing...??? What is wrong with you? I swear you just argue to argue.

At the risk of sounding flippant, I'll quote Galaxy Quest. Never give up. Never surrender. By which I mean. Keep trying. That's what it means to me. Stay faithful and committed to the gospel and Christ come what may. Keep repenting. Keep working to better yourself. Etc.

Wait....how did you know I was talking about you?!

Cool.

I just this moment concluded that someone...I won't name them...is simply trying to get a rise out of people. There's a word for people who come into forums to do that. But name calling is against the rules. So.... Ah...what the hey. I'm having fun!

I dunno. Try me.

Oh how we agree on this point.

Challenge accepted. Now....we wait..... But....wait a second........you were quoting the Bible....so even if they came true.......wait....let me think.....that only proves the Bible is true. Well I already believe that! Hmmm. What a pickle.

Hmm. Should I trust the testimony and words of those who are appointed to lead the church...or the wacky stranger on the internet? What an interesting opportunity to exercise my agency. I believe I choose....yeah...I choose to trust the testimony of the prophets words I've given over one who opposes them. I already know they were/are prophets. Therefore I know you, by opposing them, are a false prophet. Here's Joseph on the matter: “… When a man goes about prophesying, and commands men to obey his teachings, he must either be a true or false prophet. False prophets always arise to oppose the true prophets and they will prophesy so very near the truth that they will deceive almost the very chosen ones.”

Huh?

Joseph Smith ‘let us finish the temple; the Lord has a great endowment in store for you, and I am anxious that the brethren should have their endowments and receive the fullness of the priesthood.’ and... “The question is frequently asked, ‘Can we not be saved without going through with all those ordinances?’ I would answer, No, not the fulness of salvation. … “If a man gets a fullness of the priesthood of God he has to get it in the same way that Jesus Christ obtained it, and that was by keeping all the commandments and obeying all the ordinances of the house of the Lord.” Theodore M. Burton Surely, out of the great abundance God has given us, we can share some of our time and our means to do this spiritual work for the living and for the dead under the direction of modern prophets who hold the same fullness of priesthood power as did Elijah the Tishbite. President Kimball holds the keys of this sealing power to bind on earth and to have it bound in heaven. He is a true prophet of God, of which I testify in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Joseph Fielding Smith What a glorious thing it is to know that the Lord has offered to each of us the fullness of the priesthood, and has promised us that if we will receive this priesthood and magnify our callings, we shall gain an everlasting inheritance with him in his kingdom! and... “There is no exaltation in the Kingdom of God without the fullness of the priesthood, and every man who receives the Melchizedek Priesthood does so with an oath and a covenant that he shall be exalted” and... The Lord does not recognize any ordinance or ceremony, even though it be made or performed in his name, unless it is in accordance with his will and done by one who is recognized as his authorized servant. It was for that reason that he sent from his presence holy messengers to Joseph Smith and others, to restore that which had been taken from the earth, even the fullness of the gospel, and the fullness and the keys of priesthood. Gordon B. Hinkley ...the great keys which came from Moses and Elias and Elijah to bring in the fullness of the priesthood in this the dispensation of the fullness of times. We are the beneficiaries of it all. Ezra Taft Benson To enter into the order of the Son of God is the equivalent today of entering into the fullness of the Melchizedek Priesthood, which fullness is only received in the House of the Lord. Etc., etc., etc. Clearly our beloved prophets and others believe we have the fullness of the priesthood...despite whether we've been authorized to administer in the resurrection ordinance yet or not. To claim otherwise, one must declare these and other prophets wrong.

I'll just acquiesce to the idea that not all of us accept the fullness of the priesthood, and/or use it -- Superman flying aside... But what you said, and what I said was wrong, is that the church does not currently offer or have the fullness of the priesthood. (Or as I reread it, that "none hold the fullness"...which amounts to the same). That is demonstrably wrong.

I hoped the * note that the question actually can't be answered sufficiently covered the exaggeration. I agree with this.

It's easy to just say stuff. If you can't fly like Superman to work every day then you don't have the full priesthood. I said it. Must be true now.

If they were dating someone who was fornicating approximately only once a week, but was working on the problem, and how long should they wait for the to get over their fornicating addiction, and etc., etc......??? Of course. With you. That idea is ridiculous. Perhaps to some. Though, as you have stated, to view it that way is bizarre. However based on many arguments I've had over the years, (and anticipate having in this very thread) I would dare say that, no, we have not oversold the condemnation. I mean look at the OP. The man she's dating is viewing, weekly, other people engaged in explicate, close-up, detailed, depraved, degrading, perverse sex acts, along with all the other fantasies and actions that go along with such, and she's like, "Is it okay to marry him anyway?" Like it's not really that big of a deal. We can't talk about the details of what pornography entails. Even outside the rules of the forum it would be improper to discuss in detail because it's so entirely sickening, and even that part of it that would be natural in the bounds of marriage is sacred and not to be discussed that way. But the fact that we cannot explicitly describe what pornography is does not mean it is not what it is. It is vile. I am reading into it a bit (based on the fact that it's an LDS forum), but I can only imagine that this man holds the priesthood -- but no biggie -- it's just an addiction -- he's just a victim -- just love and understand him. Shameful is what it is. And, yes, I understand that many are involved in such and have been. Some even my friends. I have been myself as well in the past. And it is shameful. I am a priesthood holder, endowed in the temple, covenanted with God under the same covenant given to the patriarchs, representing the Savior in all I do and say. I am ashamed of what I have viewed in the past, and so should all who hold the Holy Priesthood of God be. It's about time we men of the priesthood man up and confess this vile corruption for what it is. I am well aware of the stridency of my tone. I am strident because I mean it.

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/mark/4.9?lang=eng#8